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USS Lexington sunk at Coral Sea found
Topic Started: Mar 5 2018, 10:18 PM (550 Views)
Chuck1945
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Just browsing Hyperscale and see that the USS Lexington has been found http://www.clubhyper.com/forums/forum.htm Pictures include F4F and TBD aircraft in remarkably good condition considering...
Chuck
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Eduard Spitfire IXc, VIII, Monogram/Starfighter BFC-2
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Eduard Bf 110C, Hasegawa B-24D, SH P-40E
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Sky Keg
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Impressive!!!!! Thanks for sharing this with us Chuck. _^
Sky Keg

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woody
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Thanks for posting that Chuck.
Cheers,
Woody
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Harold K
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Video here: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=166818
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Steve N
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So far they've found SEVEN TBDs! That nearly triples the number of known wrecks..and these are in far better shape than any of the previously known wrecks.

SN
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dknights
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Steve N
Mar 6 2018, 01:35 AM
So far they've found SEVEN TBDs! That nearly triples the number of known wrecks..and these are in far better shape than any of the previously known wrecks.

SN
The problem is they are two miles down. I don't see how they can be recovered, if if the Navy gives them permission.
David M. Knights
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14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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Starfighter Decals
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Loving those HD pictures of the F4F-3 and TBDs. I sure hope some photos surface of the SBDs to confirm the markings on those. That's been a murky area for a while. Seeing victory flags on the Wildcat sure was a surprise!
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Mar 6 2018, 03:30 PM
Loving those HD pictures of the F4F-3 and TBDs. I sure hope some photos surface of the SBDs to confirm the markings on those. That's been a murky area for a while. Seeing victory flags on the Wildcat sure was a surprise!
When you updating your Coral Sea sheet? _^
Tim Holland

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dknights
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Mar 6 2018, 03:30 PM
Loving those HD pictures of the F4F-3 and TBDs. I sure hope some photos surface of the SBDs to confirm the markings on those. That's been a murky area for a while. Seeing victory flags on the Wildcat sure was a surprise!
Any way to confirm the background on the aircraft with kill markings?
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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Chuck1945
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I haven't yet revisited Lundstrum's First Team book, but there is a post on Hyperscale suggesting that was Galer's aircraft.

"Just posted something similarMarch 6 2018 at 2:30 PM
Brandon S. Wood (Login BuNo02100)
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from IP address 67.78.64.75


Response to Michael Claringbould is certain that's what that indicates...
I am going to probably have to say that F-5 was "assigned" to Noel Gayler and the kill markings and bomb mission represent his activities, not necessarily that he was flying the aircraft when those were credited. He had 4 victories prior to Coral Sea and took part in the Lae-Sal raid on 10 March. Looks like what may be a "G" and the last looks like an "R." The aircraft may have been painted up for PR photos in Hawaii similar to F-1 for Thach and F-3 for O'Hare.

Interesting detail, Gayler was transferred to VF-2 prior to Coral Sea after his time with VF-3. That is not ironclad proof, just a coincidence of sorts that was created by the necessity of the early days of the war in the Pacific.

This is almost as much fun as digging through the boxes of documents at the National Archives...............

BW"

Interesting thought.
Edited by Chuck1945, Mar 7 2018, 03:53 AM.
Chuck
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skippy
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Did anyone notice T-9 had red yellow blue prop tips, and T-4 had yellow? I know the ship itself is considered a war grave, but the aircraft were presumably unmanned and on board. Wonder if that would influence the Navy to consider recovery of any of the aircraft?
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Joe Hegedus
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skippy
Mar 7 2018, 04:06 AM
Did anyone notice T-9 had red yellow blue prop tips, and T-4 had yellow? I know the ship itself is considered a war grave, but the aircraft were presumably unmanned and on board. Wonder if that would influence the Navy to consider recovery of any of the aircraft?
T-4's prop tips are the same style as the others. It's just hard to tell because of the angle of the photo. Look at the edge of the red on the middle blade; you can see the red on T-4's blade behind it where there is a sharp angle to the color line.
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J.C. Bahr
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I'm sure the rest of you feel the same way... but I'm just gobsmacked every time I look at those photos! :0 It's like the aviation version of Tutunkhamen's tomb!!!! :ph43r:

I mean the fact that there's red/white striped rudder fabric is just mind-boggling!

If they don't try to recover every one of those treasures, it'll be a travesty! I'm just amazed at what I'm reading elsewhere about how several of those Devastators may have torpedo hits on Japanese ships!
J.C. Bahr

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Aaron_w
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Mar 8 2018, 07:59 PM
I'm sure the rest of you feel the same way... but I'm just gobsmacked every time I look at those photos! :0 It's like the aviation version of Tutunkhamen's tomb!!!! :ph43r:

I mean the fact that there's red/white striped rudder fabric is just mind-boggling!

If they don't try to recover every one of those treasures, it'll be a travesty! I'm just amazed at what I'm reading elsewhere about how several of those Devastators may have torpedo hits on Japanese ships!
Yeah, I was kind of shocked, obviously they are not airworthy but many still have that ready to go look to them. After going through enough battle damage to force the abandonment of the carrier, then dropping through 2 miles of water I would have expected them to be a tangled mass, not still sitting more or less as they would have been when in service.


They had several hours to evacuate the wounded, and then abandon ship. There were losses in the battle but I'm not sure many actually went down with the ship, certainly there are no reports of living crew members being on board as the ship was scuttled. Don't know if the Navy would have evacuated the dead along with the wounded or left them to go down with their ship.

Some may disagree but I expect many of the families would be ok with salvaging the aircraft if done in a respectful way and the aircraft displayed to honor those who served on the Lexington.


There are no surviving TBDs, so recovering even one would be a significant addition to a museum collection.
Aaron Woods
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J.C. Bahr
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Aaron_w
Mar 9 2018, 12:13 AM
There were losses in the battle but I'm not sure many actually went down with the ship, certainly there are no reports of living crew members being on board as the ship was scuttled.
I did see in some other discussion forum that there are dead aboard the ship itself... I think 219 was the number, but not positive... so yes, it is in fact a war grave. I think it has been verified already that the aircraft themselves are not considered part of it though, since they are in the debris field and probably no bodies aboard them... but there ARE other precedents of stuff like this being recovered with bodies though, so who knows.
J.C. Bahr

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