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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 29 2016, 01:55 PM (1,448 Views) | |
| Greenshirt | Aug 29 2016, 01:55 PM Post #1 |
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Ok, instead of hijacking that thread over on AMK to debate the pros or cons of Facebook, I'd like to ask how a middle aged non-user of Facebook (or other social media) can leverage the flexibility of these things to support discussion, debate and sharing of knowledge; and photos of models or aircraft. But there are some caveats: 1) Not interested in "FB is bad" or "I don't/won't use FB" kind of posts, unless it's germane to "how to make it work" 2) only one account - I don't want to be keeping track of multiple accounts. If it's going to push to my cell, then only one account. 3) I have to be able to see family photos and posts, but you modeling guys won't see those. Same with my other interests, whatever they may be. 4) I'm not interested in replacing 72ndScale or any other forum, but I want to be informed when a debate around "social media is the future, quit being a dinosaur" discussion arises. I'll start with an observation: Facebook seems totally disorganized, and trying to organize it just for my "page" or whatever it's called is confusing. I'm bombarded with requests to load apps and content, with no "why" other than "you can't do that unless you now load [insert app]." Uh?! I just want to send a pm to my cousin; easier to use email (I have her email addy). And how do I "join" a discussion? No button so I can follow it that I can find... Point is, I now understand why gramma has her grandchildren show her how to do things...and then mom tells me she's on FB (proudly) but only looks at pix because she doesn't understand how to add content (she has zero posts). So, how do we modelers look towards the future and embrace social media, beyond "just do it"? Tim |
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Tim Holland I'm a "green shirt" because I work on the carrier's flight deck and maintain US Navy aircraft. Safe sorties are my life so we can be anywhere, anytime -- from the Sea. http://greenshirt-modeler.blogspot.com/ | |
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| RexTN | Aug 29 2016, 03:37 PM Post #2 |
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Tim, your #3 is where I hit the wall with figuring this out. In order for FB to work for what I want to do, my page would have to be restrictive enough to keep the cat videos off of it, but at the same time, be open enough so that "Grandpa from IBM" can send photos of his latest Phantom model to grandsons and nephews on their pages. It would be very rude of me to send to them, and not have them able to send to me. I see that FB would work as a "take only" type of thing, it would be a great tool for me to go to someone's page and look at their products,,,,,,,,,once they posted a link to their FB page on some forum such as we have here. Just having a page doesn't give any company a way to be found without a forum presence or emailing between modelers to share the links, though. And any search requires a person to know what exists, before they know it. Think of brand new 21st century XYZ resin company jumping onto Facebook,,,,,,until someone tells someone that it exists,,,,you'd never find them, because you'd never know you were even supposed to look for them. I agree that the workaround to see FB pages actually works,,,,,,,,you set up an FB page, and then when someone posts on a forum, you get to click their FB page link to see their news, without having to join FB. (or click away because you didn't join yet) But if you restrict your page enough to stay on topic,,,,,,,it is all about taking, not sharing. I'm going to just wait for the "next great thing to surpass all great things", which is what each of these ideas winds up being sooner or later. Then we can all open our FB accounts to read why using "Ultimate Net" surpasses FB, Instagram, Photo Bucket, Forums, Email, Telephone, Books, Magazines, and letters,,,until "Ultimate Net" gets surpassed itself, that is. |
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yep, one of each USN squadron http://hangardeckview.blogspot.com/ http://z15.invisionfree.com/Hangar_Deck_Re...dex.php?act=idx | |
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| datguy | Aug 29 2016, 04:45 PM Post #3 |
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So, I joined FB 8 years ago when my eldest went off to school. It is now a major source of interaction with friends, family, and my hobby interests. You can see anything that people make available to you based on their privacy settings. What people see about you is under your control. You can lock down your Timeline page so that essentially no one can see it or post to it. I have family in the intelligence business who do that. They have one account and use an alias as their page name. No one can see anything on their timeline except the public information they share, which includes a profile photo. Don't want your picture out there? Use an avatar, just like here. I am in the medical profession, and am pretty well recognized in certain sectors of our community. I have had no problems with maintaining an active personal presence on FB for nearly a decade without having it bleed over into my work life. I have had only two friend requests from patients in that time, and I have politely and privately refused them with an explanation for my action. You do begin to lose control over content when you act on something - e.g., posting a comment, registering a "like," etc. In general, anyone who has access to the post you interacted with will know something about your interaction. So, in reference to Rex's comment, you can "take" anything you have permission to access, but no one can push anything onto you without your permission. For "discussions," FB will notify you if someone posts to a discussion you've commented on, but if you have not commented you have to go back to its location to see what others have said. Cat videos? Political rants? Game requests? You can "unfollow" users who post or share such things to your page without unfriending them. I have none of the stupid stuff on my timeline as a result, but I can go to their pages when I want to. Apps you don't understand or don't want? Don't load them. Many advertising-driven clickbait sites for quizzes or "amazing pictures" require a sign on or request to access your information. I always skip those. There is an option to view your page from the perspective other user types, like friends, family, or strangers. I go there every few months to make sure outsiders only see what I want them to see and change settings accordingly. Remember, FB was designed by and for millenials and their successors. They are digital natives and use experiential learning as their primary method. They use trial and error and explore things. There isn't, and won't be, a user manual aimed at our generation. Even if there were, the pace of Social Media development would invalidate before the last page came off the press. DG |
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| RexTN | Aug 29 2016, 05:03 PM Post #4 |
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Dave, you and I both get the "take" part. But what about the "give" and the "new company startup news"? Isn't it considered rude to post "my stuff" to people and not allow them to post "their stuff" to me? (unfollowing the 8 year old grandson would not go over too well) And how would RAM have been able to tell me that they have UK Phantom decals that I might be interested in,,,,,if RAM and I didn't know about each other already on FB, before he even started the company? (on this forum, it was easy, he posted, I sent money, I got decals) (aside for another reader, in anticipation,,,,,,I've used computers for work and play since Fortran IV, keypunch, card verifiers, and "cake box removable media", ordering online, video chat, chatrooms, PayPal, Ebay, Amazon, and everything else up to now, and Anne has only had her Visa card info stolen once, easily fixed) I agree that it can be fun for some people to interact with others that they already know,,,I just don't see how to find someone's page or model info that I don't know exists, or for them to find me to tell me that they exist now. |
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yep, one of each USN squadron http://hangardeckview.blogspot.com/ http://z15.invisionfree.com/Hangar_Deck_Re...dex.php?act=idx | |
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| walrus | Aug 29 2016, 05:06 PM Post #5 |
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Giant touch screens would probably help. But no idea how to fix it for poor old T-rex (as opposed to Rex TN :lol: ) You could make one for him to hold but he wouldn't be able to see the screen. It's a proper conundrum and no mistakes. |
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| datguy | Aug 29 2016, 05:21 PM Post #6 |
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You're right Rex. FB can't replace the other interactions. So, I follow publishers and manufacturers who can often alert me to new products they learn about. Or they notify us here or on Britmodeller, and then I can go to their FB page or their own web site. My new P-19 Crash Truck from USAFline was purchased via that route. (Forum->FB->Website->e-mail correspondence) I therefore find that FB doesn't replace the interaction here, it enriches it. I have way more access to unpublished photos of interesting aircraft through FB memberships on "Century Series" and "Cold War Fighters," etc. than I ever could easily access through the forums. And don't worry about your grandson, he won't know whether you follow him or not. No 'splainin' needed. Unfollowed just means you won't get told about all the stuff he posts to his timeline, but when he shares something directly TO you, you still get the message. Unfollowed and unfriended are very different. DG |
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| RexTN | Aug 29 2016, 05:30 PM Post #7 |
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Paul, just give T-Rex a long USB cable and a set of those "monitor glasses". No idea what to do for him if he is one of those guys that has to look at the keyboard as he types, though. |
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yep, one of each USN squadron http://hangardeckview.blogspot.com/ http://z15.invisionfree.com/Hangar_Deck_Re...dex.php?act=idx | |
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| Greenshirt | Aug 29 2016, 08:12 PM Post #8 |
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T-Rex used an RS-232 for his mouse... These are good ideas, but where's the young ones to explain how to make social media work as a great forum for discourse? I'm with you both, Rex and Dave. I'm likely the same generation (I too remember punch cards). I can see poking around and finding pages, but if I don't "collect it" by pulling, it won't push in the future, and then only if it's the same thread. How does FB passively inform me of my interests in models, jeeps or sailing, from like minded folks across FB (and keep them separate)? I've got separate forums that do that quite readily, and in a very organized manner so that it's easy to find details, or discussions, around a detail I'm interested in, like heating coils, or mizzen stay sails. Tim |
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Tim Holland I'm a "green shirt" because I work on the carrier's flight deck and maintain US Navy aircraft. Safe sorties are my life so we can be anywhere, anytime -- from the Sea. http://greenshirt-modeler.blogspot.com/ | |
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| walrus | Aug 29 2016, 08:37 PM Post #9 |
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"T-Rex used an RS-232 for his mouse..." Now you're just being silly, Tim, mice hadn't evolved yet! :lol: FB can track your interests from your searches and interactions. It will recommend pages that you might be interested in. Also if your friends are members of groups, FB will also recommend those pages too. So your interests get reflected in the recommendations. I'm not sure if the tracking incorporates the google tracking. TBH I got fed up with "Recommended for you" posts that started cropping up that were not at all interesting, and if they were i deleted them for being so damned presumptuous! :lol: Facebook Purity put a swift stop to that nonsense, at the cost of all the recommendations. However I am signed up to plenty of pages now so it matters not. I agree with DG There are at least 2 possibly 3 Harrier Interest groups on FB, for example, with members that worked on the type and have photos from personal collections, good first hand knowledge etc. Name a type of aircraft and there is a good chance it will have such a group. If it doesn't, start one and there soon will be! :lol: Oh but beware of Jim Haserbutt who keeps posting videos of airliner disasters or else Rayban sunglasses :rolleyes: Rex, am afraid I haven't evolved beyond the dinosaurs when it comes to typing without looking at the keyboard! |
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| Mark Schynert | Aug 29 2016, 10:02 PM Post #10 |
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Another largely unreasoned objection to FB is that they collect your data and market it. Well, yeah, they do, and others collect your data as well, so it's an Internet problem , not jsut a FB problem. Solutions: Don't put anything on your profile page that you don't want FB to know. You can lock down the profile, but FB always sees it. Intall an ad blocking plug-in (like Ad BlockŪ!) and for good measure, an anti-data gathering plug-in like Disconnect. Neither is perfect, and some sites will block you for not allowing them to mine you, but to **** with them. Likes and comments and shares are fine, but be discriminating, and understand that someone is collecting that data. Unfollow on the drop of a hat. Unfriending and blocking are also sometimes indicated. |
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| John Thompson | Aug 29 2016, 10:53 PM Post #11 |
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Sod all of it; I just joined FB today, merely so I could vote in the Italeri poll. Now I too am doomed to eternal damnation (I was anyway; this just seals the deal). Those among you of a kindly disposition may aid in my salvation by going to Italeri's main FB page, clicking on "Photos" on the left of the screen, hunting down the image of the Yak-9 that I sent them, and giving it a "like"... :lol: ![]() John |
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| datguy | Aug 29 2016, 11:07 PM Post #12 |
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Yes, I used punch cards. And I look at the keyboard while typing. So, the push aspect isn't what FB is built around. Someday maybe, but that's not their gig. It's social media - not technical - so it's built around the people (or collective of people like a group) not the content. Therefore expecting it to push technical information is expecting a heating coil to make a good mizzen stay sail. The forums, and special interest groups on places like Yahoo, will continue to fill the technical media role for those of us whose birth certificates came on stone tablets. FB will however push people who share your technical interests toward you. That's what Walrus was pointing out. I have found a lot of my FB interest groups through things I see on other groups and through friends' pages or their "Likes" There is also a "Discover Groups" button on the left column of FB that will show you the groups your FB friends belong to. On the interface between technical and social, I was pleased recently to see two FB friends from other aspects of my life (work and family) join a FB group on a topic I had no idea they were interested in. That newly discovered mutual interest reinforced a social connection that existed outside of FB. I liked that. When it comes to data mining, eBay, Amazon, and Google know way, way, way more about me than does FB, and they are aggressive in selling that data where they can. To me, that's part of the price of doing business with them. And through the discount card and e-mail receipts, my grocery store may know more about me than all of the internet providers combined! DG |
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| Greenshirt | Aug 29 2016, 11:53 PM Post #13 |
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Well, I do a bit of cyber work in my IT consulting, so I'm much too familiar with what can and is collected. It doesn't stop me from using eBay, PayPal, Amazon, being on four forums actively and having at least four blog's on the go at one time. Only had a CC stolen once when I made a purchase from big H a few years ago; They owned up to being hacked... I do have a FB page, I'm just not active with it because of the reasons I started with. Confusing to configure and it seems to require too much time for minimal return. My ROI here and on a couple of other forums is very high by comparison. I do admit that filtering all the bs (I really don't know why my cousin thinks I care what she had for dinner) seems a chore, and I haven't figured a way to keep her in my circle but not receive the BS. Again, investment of time that forums seem to make obvious. But...my cousin isn't on this or any other forum I'm interested in! So you're saying it sorta pushes, based on interest/history. No different than some strange purchase options I get on eBay...easy to ignore. Over time it gets better (ish). It may be a better solution or method if I may, in posting my blog. My blog is something one has to pull, but over time via FB it could turn into semi-push as folks poke around. More to consider... Tim |
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Tim Holland I'm a "green shirt" because I work on the carrier's flight deck and maintain US Navy aircraft. Safe sorties are my life so we can be anywhere, anytime -- from the Sea. http://greenshirt-modeler.blogspot.com/ | |
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| erussell | Aug 30 2016, 09:54 AM Post #14 |
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The answer is that we can't do any more than accept what is there because the future form and utility of things like Faecebook is in the hands of people basically interested in monetarising it. Therefore the technology base will change more frequently, your device will go out of date quicker and the pressure to read and respond to advertising material will increase. As someone who made a less than positive comment in the other thread I hope you all don't get me wrong. I think Faecebook is a valuable resource for some things. I did make the point that I couldn't be bothered logging in to it to view what is probably an advertising page. It is possible to configure your page so anyone can see it if you know how. |
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| walrus | Aug 30 2016, 10:57 AM Post #15 |
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It is possible to configure one's account to strict privacy and even stop people sharing on your timeline. I use an ad blocker but also now use Face Book Purity as well to get rid of all the ads and useless suggestions (No Facebook, I am not interested in Britain First, thank you kindly!) To adjust your privacy settings is fairly straightforward. Once you get used to FB's unintuitive and sometimes labyrinthine menu system. It has never been particularly user friendly, especially to the uninitiated. In the early days I would just about get used to a system when they would change it again. :rolleyes: The other thing that FB does which is really naughty, is to "update" some settings and by default it will be public. Not that they bother to inform you. I don't have a mobile phone, but I think that is another area of contention. It's easy to ignore posts about what Aunt Agatha had for supper. If it gets too much you can "unfollow" someone, so you remain "friends" but don't get updates of their activity. It is a useful tool, and have to agree that a major problem is the commercialisation, and not just because of the ads. If a group or page has a large number of members, FB limits the number of people who will receive notification, unless a fee is paid. |
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