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If only Eduard were Planet Friendly; Why I despair Model Manufacturers
Topic Started: Sep 24 2016, 01:49 PM (939 Views)
peebeep
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Stimpy, I'm 100% with what you are saying, but there's one or two things I'd ruminate over. I'd be surprised if the Eduard operation is large enough to be covered by EU directives, although I'd be happy to be corrected if it is. Eduard appear to be using a standard size packet, regardless of the size of the product, this is almost certainly a cost cutting measure. I don't have any problem re-cycling that sort of plastic locally, although if it's clear and reasonably distortion free I'd be retaining a percentage of it for making flat windows and crash moulding canopies.

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dixieflyer
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OK, I've sat on my hands since yesterday over this. Eduard is such a small, small player in this thing. While I understand and empathize with the sentiment of wanting to be responsible and "help the planet", if you're going to spend the effort, put it towards some of the larger players as previously mentioned such as Wal-Mart, Amazon, etc.
I worked in the paper industry for ten years (Dixie brand paper plates). We, the employees, were proud that the only things that left our plant were: finished product, clean air, clean/potable water, and recyclable paper in bales. The company, Dixie, was always striving to find uses for recycled paper, but sadly never found a way to incorporate that into paper plates, and still produce a strong, viable product, but I digress.

Have any of you ever given a thought to, not where the packaging for your kits and aftermarket goes, but where do your kits, finished and unfinished go one day? Yep, the landfill, to last a thousand years. I once a knew a guy who binned all of his finished models after a year because he said that was what was going to happen to them anyway when he passed away. I remember standing at the IPMS Nats one year in the vendor room with a friend, and we both remarked about how 98% of the models being traded there that day would most likely never be built, but will languish in a stash, to be discarded in the trash bin upon the modeler's death or trip to a rest home, or sold to another modeler who will put them in his stash, and the cycle repeats. Built, or unbuilt, they're all going to be in a landfill.

As for me and my house, the packaging that arrives with my kits either gets reused to ship something, used in kit construction (as walrus and dknights pointed out) or some other thing. Very little goes in the bin.

FWIW, YMMV,

Warren
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Scott Hemsley
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Stimpy, all that sponge packing material you're showing is rather priceless for masking, so don't bin it. If you must ... send it to me.

Cut out rough shapes slightly large than the 'hole' & use it to fill wheel wells, intakes, radial cowlings, etc., when you mask. Works like a charm.

Scott
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walrus
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It isn't a particularly green hobby atm
All the nasty crap we use, use of an oil based material, the shipping around the world of kits because they are all made in the East (or West depending where you live) the amount of electricity we use on the internet, special lights; the list is endless!

I can't justify any of the hobby in terms of sustainability. Dammit even in terms of the subject matter I model is morally dubious.

In fact, what the hell am I doing with my life....

#secondmidlifecrisis :ph43r:
Paul from Birmingham, UK
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dknights
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Scott Hemsley,Sep 25 2016
10:13 AM
Stimpy, all that sponge packing material you're showing is rather priceless for masking, so don't bin it. If you must ... send it to me.

Cut out rough shapes slightly large than the 'hole' & use it to fill wheel wells, intakes, radial cowlings, etc., when you mask. Works like a charm.

Scott

What he said. What I said.
David M. Knights
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14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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dknights
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walrus,Sep 25 2016
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It isn't a particularly green hobby atm
All the nasty crap we use, use of an oil based material, the shipping around the world of kits because they are all made in the East (or West depending where you live) the amount of electricity we use on the internet, special lights; the list is endless!

I can't justify any of the hobby in terms of sustainability. Dammit even in terms of the subject matter I model is morally dubious.

In fact, what the hell am I doing with my life....

#secondmidlifecrisis :ph43r:

Take a drink of Dalwhinne and go model. It will pass.
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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stimpy
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For all readers, I do reuse the packing material I photoed as many have mentioned, the flat trays for paints and washes, the foam for masking and holding up paint sticks. I posted this article purely to create some feedback and vent some frustration on "over" packaging.

...it's just... well I have so much of this crap because I buy so much. It doesn't come in bags of 4; which would be nice if you happen to buy a Royal Set - hey Eduard sell them in a pack of 4 in one single package, that would be a start. I feel that people running any size company should be conscious of material usage.

Like I says, this somewhat off topic did get people talking which is a good thing, kept you away from all those poisonous fumes, starved the carpet monsters and probably stopped you buying something.


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dixieflyer
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stimpy,Sep 25 2016
11:33 AM


...it's just... well I have so much of this crap because I buy so much. It doesn't come in bags of 4; which would be nice if you happen to buy a Royal Set - hey Eduard sell them in a pack of 4 in one single package, that would be a start. I feel that people running any size company should be conscious of material usage.

Now, THAT *is* a good idea IMHO. I wish they would.

Warren
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Big Kohona
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dknights
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Big Kohona,Sep 25 2016
04:52 PM
I guess that Quickboost could be considered to be doing their part to be eco friendly. Their sets come in a plastic bag with instructions and a card stock backer. Pretty minimal packaging and you can reuse the card stock for any number of other things.

SBS has really eco-friendly packaging.
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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dknights
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As a counterpoint, there is always this.

B*llSh*t
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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Mark Schynert
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I recycle what I can. It seems to fill the containers every week. And I do reuse package filler, not that I mail much that needs the filler. I also would prefer to buy stuff with less packaging if one can assume the goods will get to me without being damaged by the shipping process. at that point, I have assuaged my anxiety.

The inevitable truth is that we as a species have irreversible impact on the planet. Also some effects that we can clean up or at least mitigate. Eventually, the Earth will get tired of us and kill us all, and move on to the next stage of existence. And it might have everything or nothing or even just some connection to our consumption patterns. I choose to think conserving behavior will be a help. But the returns on time invested and anxiety incurred diminishes.

It's about orders of magnitude, or picking the lowest hanging fruit. 30 grams of plastic from a couple of dozen AM packets amounts to about 700 grams of waste. Add real numbers to compute your own waste generation mass, but let me know if you can get over a couple of kilos with the AM. Against that, a single laundry detergent container is 300 grams, a peanut butter jar is probably about 200 grams, the big soft drink bottles are over 100 grams, and there's all the other food packaging, consumer goods packaging, and so on. Much of that cannot go into recycling either. Your AM doesn't amount to much more than a tenth of a percent of the total unrecyclable waste. Maybe less. And unlike a lot of stuff, it will stay in the landfill virtually forever because IT'S INERT--in other words, it won't poison anything as long as it isn't broken down by UV into little particles that can get into the watershed and end up in the ocean.

To the extent any of us give a hoot about reducing the pollution footprint of our hobby, the best bet is to only buy stuff you will actually use. Yep, that's so funny, I'm ROFLMAO. It may be I'm also buying the right stuff from Eduard--I don't have a one of these outsized packets, because all I'm buying from them are paint masks, PE, the occasional whole kit, na none of the big resin. I get resin form Barracuda, and in 1/72, it's just a plastic bag with written instructions and a card header. Quickboost and Aries aren't bad either. Now, if I can just use all this nonsense that I've bought, it will still pollute the world just as much (or as little) as if i don't, but the stuff I never buy won't--if it convinces Eduard to stop making one or more products, and maybe eventually just go out of business.

While we're at it, what happens to all that dental floss? :blink:
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stimpy
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Mark Schynert,Sep 26 2016
01:11 AM
While we're at it, what happens to all that dental floss?  :blink:


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Hhhalifaxxx
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Recently, an international committee of stratigraphers and geologists have determined that, yes, humans have impacted the whole planet irreversibly and that a new geological epoch warrants officialisation: the Anthropocene. In order to define such a new epoch, a marker should be established in the form of something that occurred at a global scale and would be incorporated into the future geological record. The consensus of the committee was that the Anthropocene would have started in the early 1950s, with the spreading of radioactive elements resulting from nuclear explosions from Los Alamos, Hiroshima, Bikini, etc.: that would be one of the markers. Another marker that concerns us more closely is the spreading of plastic throughout the world : now plastic particles are everywhere and will certainly be part of the fossil record in the not so distant future.

So this is our legacy to incoming generations...

(This is a subject I'm involved with currently, as I'm preparing an exhibit on it for our museum.)

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Greenshirt
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Wow. So in 10,000, 100,000, or even a million years hence some intelligent being (possibly descended from humans) will find a layer of strata that's radioactive and contains high levels of plastic residue. This will mark "the beginning".

What would possibly mark "the end" of the Anthropocene epoch?

It could make fore a great SF story.

Tim
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