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Spitfire Vb Azure Blue Over Camoflage
Topic Started: Nov 10 2016, 08:50 PM (323 Views)
stimpy
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Building the KP Spitfire VbTrop, there's three schemes, one of which is RAF where they suggest over spraying the upper surface with Azure Blue (the camo underneath being Middle Stone and Earth Brown).


Anyone got any comments about this scheme or know exactly went should be done? A quick web search just leads to confusion.

Another point is the actual color of Azure Blue. The KP box art is very dark. I'm using Vallejo acrylics for the blue;

  • 71.108 UK Azure (suggested for RAF Mediterranean fighters 1940)
  • 71.111 UK Mediterranean Blue (suggested for RAF Mediterranean fighters/bombers 1940)

So I've just sprayed 71.108 on the under surface, it's much lighter than the box art, that being more like the 71.111. However, I think 71.111 would be too dark in this scale and much prefer 71.108.

Models I've viewed online really just seem to have the upper surface sprayed in what looks more like 71.111 and it's very opaque, you don't see the outline of the stone/earth demarcations. Now if the lads were told to overspray the a/c in Azure Blue, would they have misted it over or just painted the a/c blue?

What do I do?

  • Put the darker 71.111 all over opaquely
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop and 71.108 underneath
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop as a light mist over middle stone/dark earth and and 71.108 underneath
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop as a light mist over middle stone/dark earth and and 71.111 underneath


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71.108 is the better match for MAP Azure Blue, which is a pale pastel blue, but with a slight violet hue.

Unless it's been re-formulated the paint guide reference to 157 (I'm presuming Humbrol) is misleading. 157 is based on the pre-war BS 381C standard 'Azure Blue' which is much darker than MAP Azure Blue. That's where most of the confusion stems from.

Look for Azure Blue in the image, it's a MAP swatch.

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Graham Boak
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This is a Malta-based Spitfire of 249 Sq. The suggestion of overspraying with Azure Blue is exceedingly unlikely (ie a load of cobblers) if only because Azure Blue is a light colour. There was some overspraying done on Malta, but it was with a very dark colour, identified in one source as Extra Dark Sea Grey and in another (more official) source as Dark Mediterranean Blue. Possibly both were used at times? Sometimes only the Middle Earth was oversprayed, but in the case of 249 Sq a single dark uppersurface is common with no sign of another uppersurface colour, especially during the time when the single T squadron code was carried.

So paint it a dark blue grey of your choice if you wish to see something that could match the b&w photos and the evidence: or just paint it light blue anyway for the hell of it, of course.
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OK that's one thing cleared up, Vallejo 108 and 111 map correctly with that chart, so I was correct to put 108 on the lower surface.

For the upper I'll have a look for an extra dark sea grey which I think will be fine.

I really couldn't for the life of me think the Sqd Cmd would say "now chaps, you need to dilute some blue and carefully overspray everything evenly so it all looks like you have a tinted stone/earth camo blue but not blue, right oh"

oh bugger, I just looked outside and theirs a lovely sunset going down in purples through the trees surrounding my house
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Graham Boak
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The EDSG comes from a painter on the Beaufighter unit who reported thinning down paint to cover Spitfires during a time of shortage. There is one photo of a Spitfire showing just this effect: a thin overspray on the Middle Stone only. Plus the very dark appearance in some photos is very reminiscent of the postwar EDSG-only on FAA aircraft. However, EDSG rapidly tones down to a distinctly blue shade.

Dark Mediterranean Blue was stated as the desired colour for the Spitfires on the first run of the USS Wasp (Operation Calendar) although not until after many had been painted differently.

There is little simple and straightforward about the colours of Spitfires on Malta, but fortunately at least some light has been shone into the darkness by recent publications. I still think that there is more to be found - just not Azure Blue uppersurfaces in 249 Sq.
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stimpy,Nov 10 2016
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Building the KP Spitfire VbTrop, there's three schemes, one of which is RAF where they suggest over spraying the upper surface with Azure Blue (the camo underneath being Middle Stone and Earth Brown).


Anyone got any comments about this scheme or know exactly went should be done? A quick web search just leads to confusion.

Another point is the actual color of Azure Blue. The KP box art is very dark. I'm using Vallejo acrylics for the blue;

  • 71.108 UK Azure (suggested for RAF Mediterranean fighters 1940)
  • 71.111 UK Mediterranean Blue (suggested for RAF Mediterranean fighters/bombers 1940)
So I've just sprayed 71.108 on the under surface, it's much lighter than the box art, that being more like the 71.111. However, I think 71.111 would be too dark in this scale and much prefer 71.108.

Models I've viewed online really just seem to have the upper surface sprayed in what looks more like 71.111 and it's very opaque, you don't see the outline of the stone/earth demarcations. Now if the lads were told to overspray the a/c in Azure Blue, would they have misted it over or just painted the a/c blue?

What do I do?

  • Put the darker 71.111 all over opaquely
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop and 71.108 underneath
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop as a light mist over middle stone/dark earth and and 71.108 underneath
  • Put the darker 71.111 ontop as a light mist over middle stone/dark earth and and 71.111 underneath

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