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AZ's Curtiss Hawk
Topic Started: Sep 2 2017, 02:27 AM (1,051 Views)
Chuck1945
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So how does this differ (if at all) from the RAF Mohawk? I am not up on the various Hawks and am away from my library, hence the question. I built the Monogram P-36 long ago as a French machine using ABT decals. If I build another I am interested in a RAF version.
Chuck
Eastern WA, USA
Finished 2018:
Eduard Spitfire IXc, VIII, Monogram/Starfighter BFC-2
On the active bench:
Eduard Bf 110C, Hasegawa B-24D, SH P-40E
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dknights
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Chuck1945,Sep 1 2017
10:27 PM
So how does this differ (if at all) from the RAF Mohawk? I am not up on the various Hawks and am away from my library, hence the question. I built the Monogram P-36 long ago as a French machine using ABT decals. If I build another I am interested in a RAF version.

I suspect that AZ will be doing all the versions of the Hawk.
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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Mark Schynert
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The difference would be in the decals only, and some cockpit details (like throttles operating in the other direction). Correspondence between Curtiss export models and RAF Mohawk marks:

H75A-1 Mohawk I
H75A-2 Mohawk II
H75A-3 Mohawk III
H75A-4 Mohawk IV

These all look to be A-3s. The first three marks had P&W R-1830 equivalents, whiile the A-4 had a Wright R-1820 Cyclone.
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MDriskill
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This is going off on a tangent, but the amazing Japanese modeler Jumpei Temma currently has in progress a 1/48 scale Airfix P-40B. Which I mention only because as part of the process, he has done astonishing drawings of the entire P-36 and P-40 (aka H-75, H-81, and H-87) "family."

This post contains drawings of every P-36/H-75 variant. They are the most accurate I have ever seen by far, and fully illustrate all external differences between variants:
http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/p40b/p40b-1.html
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John Thompson
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Temma is awesome - I've already bookmarked his LaGG-3 and Allison P-51 stuff. Thank you for the Curtiss link!

It'll be interesting to see what heroics he commits in order to correct the supposedly unbuildable dog of an Airfix 1/48 P-40B kit, considering how it attracted so many red lines and "buck-toothed nun's hat" (or whatever) comments elsewhere, ending (predictably) in hurt feelings and hiding in the corner to sulk!

John
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Chuck1945
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Thanks for the information. I remembered mention of different engines from a long ago discussion here but don't remember any specifics. I am thinking then that it would be the Mohawk IV that was used in Burma?

I too suspect AZ will do all versions, but am always antsy on new releases and wonder what else can be be made from the kit in case other versions are not forthcoming.
Chuck
Eastern WA, USA
Finished 2018:
Eduard Spitfire IXc, VIII, Monogram/Starfighter BFC-2
On the active bench:
Eduard Bf 110C, Hasegawa B-24D, SH P-40E
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Aaron_w
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Nice to see the P-36 / Curtis Hawk getting some attention. I've got a couple of the Monogram kits which these will free up to build a variety of American planes. The Curtis Hawk is one of my favorite early war planes and very under appreciated.

I do hope they do the full range of these including the fixed landing gear variety. I've got a couple of the SH ones, but would welcome more options.


There was supposedly a version of the P-36 proposed with a 1600hp Wright or P&W radial engine that would have kept it competitive with the Spitfire and Bf-109 into 1942-43, but the USAAF was more interested in developing the inline variant that became the P-40. There were some proposals for the US Navy as well including one with tri-cycle landing gear.

I've got a B-25 cowling and Wright R-2600 cast in resin to build a what if super P-36 some day...
Aaron Woods
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MDriskill
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Chuck1945,Sep 2 2017
03:08 PM
Thanks for the information. I remembered mention of different engines from a long ago discussion here but don't remember any specifics. I am thinking then that it would be the Mohawk IV that was used in Burma?

I too suspect AZ will do all versions, but am always antsy on new releases and wonder what else can be be made from the kit in case other versions are not forthcoming.

Correct, the RAF's Mohawk IV used the single-row Curtiss Cyclone engine. It looks as if the initial releases of the AZ kits are Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp variants, though. The two are quite different forward of the firewall, as of course the Cyclone is shorter and larger in diameter than the Twin Wasp.

I hope AZ does get around to the Cyclone H-75's!
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MDriskill
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John Thompson,Sep 2 2017
01:30 PM
Temma is awesome - I've already bookmarked his LaGG-3 and Allison P-51 stuff. Thank you for the Curtiss link!

It'll be interesting to see what heroics he commits in order to correct the supposedly unbuildable dog of an Airfix 1/48 P-40B kit, considering how it attracted so many red lines and "buck-toothed nun's hat" (or whatever) comments elsewhere, ending (predictably) in hurt feelings and hiding in the corner to sulk!

John

One the same site, don't miss his quite astonishing build of the old Monogram P-36 kit:
http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/p36/p36.html
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John Thompson
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MDriskill,Sep 3 2017
01:54 PM
One the same site, don't miss his quite astonishing build of the old Monogram P-36 kit:
http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/p36/p36.html

Astonishing indeed! And here I thought the Monogram P-36, despite its age, was such a beautiful kit - well, it is a beautiful kit, but apparently not a very accurate one! I was wrong again... :lol:

John
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peebeep
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French ordered Hawk H-75A-1, A-2, A-3 and A-4 deliveries were diverted to the RAF after the fall of France. The A-1, A-2 and A-3, powered by the Twin Wasp, were designated Mohawk III and the A-4, powered by the Cyclone, were designated Mohawk IV by the Air Ministry. Most of the aircraft delivered to the RAF were the H-75A-4/Mohawk IV.
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Dave Fleming
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The first 5 AR serialled Mohawk IIIs are now thought to be ex-Norwegian H75A6s (Source: Nick Millman's most recent doc on the subject)
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dknights
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Dave Fleming,Sep 4 2017
04:05 PM
The first 5 AR serialled Mohawk IIIs are now thought to be ex-Norwegian H75A6s (Source: Nick Millman's most recent doc on the subject)

Dave, do you have a pointer to Mr. Millman's thoughts? My impression had been that all the Norwegian ones that wen't captured in their crates were sent to Little Norway in Canada. I know there are plenty of photos of them there. I am really interested in this subject.
David M. Knights
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14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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airjiml2
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Mr. Knights,

The Little Norway Hawks were H75A-8s with Cyclones. Dave is writing about H75A-6s with Twin Wasp engines.

Jim
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dknights
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airjiml2,Sep 4 2017
11:43 PM
Mr. Knights,

The Little Norway Hawks were H75A-8s with Cyclones. Dave is writing about H75A-6s with Twin Wasp engines.

Jim

I wasn't aware that Norway had ordered both the A-6 and the A-8. I wonder if the A-8s were all a post May 1940 order and were simply what was available? I can't see why they would have ordered two different versions from the outset. Interesting though.
David M. Knights
Fortes fortuna adiuvat

14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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