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| Mark Schynert | Sep 5 2017, 04:11 PM Post #16 |
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However he arrived at this conclusion, it's nothing new. The same facts were published in the section on Norwegian Hawks in "Curtiss Hawk 75" by Beauchamp & Cuny (VIP Publishers Inc., Colorado Springs, CO: 1991) I recommend this book for it's extensive coverage of every aspect of the Model 75, particularly use of exported Hawks. Given its age, there are probably additional facts that have come to light over the years, but this question isn't one of them. |
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| dknights | Sep 5 2017, 07:18 PM Post #17 |
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Mark, Thanks for the recommendation. |
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David M. Knights Fortes fortuna adiuvat 14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51 15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine 16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane. 17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, 18 Finished: NONE The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40 Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11 | |
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| otard | Sep 5 2017, 08:19 PM Post #18 |
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Go to this page for orders of Norwegian Hawks. http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p36_13.html |
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| dknights | Sep 6 2017, 01:33 AM Post #19 |
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That exactly answered my question. Interesting that they would order both the A-6 and A-8 versions of the Hawk. |
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David M. Knights Fortes fortuna adiuvat 14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51 15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine 16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane. 17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, 18 Finished: NONE The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40 Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11 | |
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| jvenables | Sep 6 2017, 05:33 AM Post #20 |
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Oh, my poor, suffering wallet!
That's a very interesting site. Thanks for the link. I hope however, that he is not basing his drawings on photographs of the real thing - that is a recipe for inaccuracy due to perspective distorions from the camera angle and lens optics. The translated version of the page is a little ambiguous, in places suggesting his drawings are made from photos and elsewhere suggesting he is only using the photos as a guide. But since the translation is far from perfect, it's hard to be sure. Does anyone know if these AZ Hawks are done using an existing kit as a master or an entirely new tool (I don't recall ever seeing any discussion on this as a forthcoming kit, though maybe I missed it)? The engine on the sprue shots looks a little chunky, reminiscent of something from the 1970's or 80's so I'm just wondering... |
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| Mark Schynert | Sep 6 2017, 08:20 AM Post #21 |
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A lot of weapons purchases by smaller nations in this period had everything to do with immediate availability and little to do with logistical optimization. The Norwegians realized they were behind the curve and were probably happy that at least they could get the same airframes, even with different engines. The Dutch were willing to take Buffalos with reconditioned DC-3/DST engines because there were shortages of Cyclones. The Finnish had Italian, English, French, American, Dutch and Russian fighters more-or-less simultaneously, all in penny packets or less. I think they'd have taken PZL P.11s if they'd been offered. The Lithuanians and Latvians were happy to get Gladiators, even though, wedged between the Soviets and Germany, they could have saved their money. The Siamese bought fixed-gear Model 75s and NA-62s, as well as Hawk IIIs; none of them could even sniff 300 MPH. The Swedes bought Gladiatiors, acquired some EP-106s (P-35A), and then went to Italy for Re 2000s. In every case, desperation was one of the key ingredients. |
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| otard | Sep 6 2017, 07:15 PM Post #22 |
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As I have learned is that the Pratt & Whitney was in shortage when Norway wanted more Hawks. Weight Cyclone was available. And Cyclone was produced for the Norwegian Northrop N-3PB and Douglas 8A aircrafts. Hope this help. |
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| dknights | Sep 7 2017, 02:58 AM Post #23 |
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Ottar, That really helps and makes sense. I hadn't thought about the other aircraft in inventory. |
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David M. Knights Fortes fortuna adiuvat 14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51 15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine 16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane. 17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, 18 Finished: NONE The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40 Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11 | |
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| skippy | Sep 15 2017, 04:45 AM Post #24 |
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Other differences in the Hawk 75 A1 thru A4 A1's and the first 30 A2's had 4 gun armement Later A2's and A3's had 6 guns. A1 thru A3 models all had various P&W R1830 export model engines A4 versions had 6 guns, Wright Cyclone engines The Norwegian A6's were produced alongside the French A2's and had P&W engines The Norwegian A8's were ordered later and produced alongside the French A4's and had Cyclone engines and 6 guns. |
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