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| BallsBuster | Mar 26 2015, 08:08 AM Post #1 |
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It pours! Micro Mir has announced yet another Yak-11 kit in 1/72. I have not seen it yet, only the box art... |
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| Zambudio | Mar 26 2015, 03:05 PM Post #2 |
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Thanks for the news, BB! I visited the manufacturer's webpage and must say the kit looks very nice; it includes a small photoetched fret too. I wonder how this will compare to the (very recent) Yak-11 released by RS a few months ago. |
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| Mark Schynert | Mar 26 2015, 06:01 PM Post #3 |
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Curiously, an example of the real thing just flew over my house. Between the planform and the growl of the radial, it was easy to ID. The red star didn't hurt either I imagine it was out of Hayward CA.
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| BallsBuster | Mar 26 2015, 07:48 PM Post #4 |
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I am currently building Yak-11 by RS as a "side project" and although I love this producer with this particular one I have sort of mixed feelings... It cries for a PE set and this time RS did not include it... I am not sure about the decal sheet either... cannot put my finger on it yet. On the other hand RS' kit is spot on on Khaustov's plans, which most likely were used in preparing the master model. |
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| Zambudio | Mar 27 2015, 02:43 AM Post #5 |
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I see... Interestingly, a Czech friend of mine said exactly the same when he got two different boxings of the RS kit: "I wonder why they didn't include a PE set!?" Btw, what boxing did you got? If I am not mistaken, RS released at least four different boxings, with different decal options. As for the Micro Mir kit, I suspect it might have been based upon the same plans' set, so both models must at least agree in shape and dimensions. I think Khaustov's plans were published in a Czech magazine a good while ago, but can't recall which one (but possibly in one of the late HPM issues); I think the plans were originally published in Aviatsiya i Vremya, but I am not 100% sure. |
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| BallsBuster | Mar 27 2015, 04:53 PM Post #6 |
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I have got this boxing: http://www.westcoasthobbys.com/product/rsm...ak-11c-11-moose The quality of the kit is not bad at all, and the dashboards have a decent relief representation, however there is no decal for instrument panel either. I.e. no decal, no PE - Arghhh... working on those dials again... Yes, PE set is definite advantage for a Micro Mir kit as the cockpit is rather spacious and in case you would want to have it opened, will be very conspicuous. RS' quality of molds is rather good and in the other kits I build by them the fit was good. Cannot say much about Micro-Mir... Khaustov's plans were published in AiV #3,2004 along with an article on the type. Possibly it was later re-printed.. |
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| BallsBuster | Jun 2 2015, 10:26 AM Post #7 |
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OK, I got the Micro-Mir kit too... from the first glance it seems to be better than RS one... and decal versions are more interesting (at least for me). And no more of this former Micro-Mir stupidity with "cut stars" |
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| trl | Jun 5 2015, 12:19 AM Post #8 |
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I'm probably bit late here, but small polish manufacturer Yahu Models makes photoetched instrument panels for RS Model Yak-11 kit (photo from manufacturer webpage): ![]() But there's a catch- list of vendors is pretty short. |
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| Zambudio | Jun 5 2015, 11:12 AM Post #9 |
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Oh... and what was that? "Cut stars" like "cut swastikas", is the same idea? Z. |
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| BallsBuster | Jun 5 2015, 11:52 AM Post #10 |
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Exactly, they did this in their La-11 kits, rendering the decals pretty much unusable. The only positive moment in that lapse into idiocy (sorry if it sounds harsh for some gentle souls) was that the kit was in 1/48. |
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| Zambudio | Jun 5 2015, 01:24 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks for the quick reply. I see... Probably, the attitude by Micro-Mir, being an Ukranian manufacturer, was prompted by recent politics... Btw, they could release a 1/72 La-11, perhaps based (if accurate) on their larger scale kit (but with uncut red stars please). When based upon good documentation, their kits can be very nice, as the new Yak-11 seems to prove, but sometimes they go off the mark, eg. their recent kit of the Moskalev SAM-13 light fighter prototype. Z. |
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| BallsBuster | Jun 5 2015, 01:39 PM Post #12 |
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----"I see... Probably, the attitude by Micro-Mir, being an Ukranian manufacturer, was prompted by recent politics..." There are always many excuses even for extraordinary stupidity... I somewhat hoped for the downscale of their La-9 kit.. but for strange reason it did not happen. Perhaps sometime later... Yak-11 was a surprise too... especially after the RS kit. I plan to post a more detailed comparison later but it is in some ways superior than the RS one. SAM-13 is not really my field of interest, however the kit itself looks pretty good for a short run kit. |
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| Zambudio | Jun 5 2015, 01:51 PM Post #13 |
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Indeed! I also hope for the downscale of their La-9/La-11 kits, but to no avail. Probably, Amodel or some affiliated company will be the first to give us a modern 1/72 scale kit of the La-9/La-11. Fingers crossed... I look forward to see your comparison of RS vs Micro-Mir Yak-11 kits. As for the SAM-13, you are right. I had the same thought when the kit was first released, but according to what I read, it was based on a single, flawed drawing (as a result, the fuselage looks shorter and blunter than on the real thing), though admittedly the amount of available documentation on such an obscure prototype must be quite thin; a better general arrangement drawing was first published decades ago by V.B. Shavrov and a recent re-interpretation of it and other documentation was published by M. Maslov on his (sadly no longer in print) periodical Крылья, as a scale plan close to Shavrov's original. P.S./edit: I was expecting the SAM-13 to be covered someday by Musa Zekoreev in his Prop & Jet resin series, which keeps getting better and better after each new release but Micro-Mir was faster. |
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| BallsBuster | Jun 6 2015, 09:04 AM Post #14 |
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Here's a short out of the box review/comparison of Micro Mir Yak-11 vs RS Models one. Please note that the Micro Mir kit is reviewed in its "on the sprue" state so some of the measurements are bound to be rough approximations. - The general impression: Both kits are short run injected plastic. RS models parts look very traditional for its producer with panel lines rather thin and in some cases a bit too shallow and inconsistent. Micro Mir surface details are more pronounced with deeper and wider panel lines (not Matchbox trenches). Depending upon the painting methods it might be even a better solution than the RS. Overall the RS parts look chunkier than thinner and more refined Micro Mir ones. The canopies in both kits are given as one piece and both are transparent and thick. Micro Mir one is noticeably thinner and thus will offer less distortion. The thickness will still prevent cutting it up for opening. By parts count Micro Mir has the clear lead - it is almost double of the parts of RS. RS though provides two different propellers, while Micro Mir only one. - Accuracy: both kits compared to Khaustov's drawings. Fuselages of both look broadly in line with each other. RS wing span is spot on but Micro Mir's span might be between 1 to 2 MM wider. Again, as the parts were on the sprue I might be wrong. Still if I was correct the extra length was located on the very wingtip and could be corrected with a few swipes of the file.... RS forgot to represent a round access panel on the starboard wing - identical to the port one, while Micro Mir shows both (but smaller in diameter than the ones on the drawings. Stabilizers of RS kit are spot on, Micro Mir ones are correct in span and the outline of the trailing edge. They lack however a tiny "kink" on the leading edge (according to the Khaustov's drawings). The cockpit is by far better detailed by Micro Mir. Nothing more to say except neither of the kits provides a decal for the instrument panel. In RS case it is more understandable as the whole kit is just a hint for buying an aftermarket sheet, but why it is not done by MicroMIr which is positioned as All-in one offering I have no idea. Engineering; Micro Mir kit seems to be superior to the RS - which is a rather simple affair. It is very noticeable in the approach to the engine cowling, but also in the general arrangement. One will have to see how it would transfer into build-ability - but from what one sees on the runners, Micro Mir knocks RS down easily. - General package: Micro Mir provides a small PE set (without instrument mantels though) and what appears to be a mask for the canopy. The decal sheet is much bigger than RS (the latter in my kit offers only four options all of the modern a/c from the airshow circuit) and has (in my opinion a much ore interesting options. OK... my opinion... given that the prices are comparable, you would get a better deal with MIcroMIr offering. I hope someone from the universe of aftermarket producers will offer a vacu canopy soon... |
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| Graham Boak | Jun 6 2015, 09:49 AM Post #15 |
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Thanks for a fairly comprehensive review. I've seen neither kit, but there are some general points about the RS approach that I find preferable. Following their usual practice, RS will introduce a number of different boxings in order to provide a wider choice of markings. Personally, I prefer this approach to the provision of a huge sheet of options. The larger the decal sheet the greater the additional cost put on the kit plastic, but you can still only use one. The RS approach is better. I rather like the smooth RS approach to panel lines, finding the fashion for accentuating panels unreal, even without going as far as Matchbox or some recent Airfix. It may not be significant in this case. One flaw I've found with RS kits has been the provision of fine PE that I prefer not to use. If they have changed away from this I approve. |
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