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The future Sabrestar Decals; I need some input
Topic Started: Sep 12 2012, 03:36 AM (1,343 Views)
orionfield
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So I am getting ready to launch my decal company, and I want to know what you guys want... I am on the fence about how to release sets, whether to have sets with 5 aircraft on them, and have the releases be farther apart, or release small sets of individual aircraft more quickly. Or, a little of both. What do you think?
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dknights
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Take a look at what Fundekals is doing. I think that is the future of aftermarket decals.

BTW, of all the a/c that participated in Tidal Wave, only about a dozen have ever appeared in decals.
David M. Knights
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14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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ca-15
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Hi Dan,

First, good luck to you in this venture. Aftermarket decals appears to be a very challenging environment with much competition and difficult choices to pick 'winners' in terms of topics.

Relating to subjects, I find that the cost of sets covering a single subject to be not a lot less in price than ones that cover multiple subjects. The most common numbers are either 1 or 4. Some sheets cover many more (I am thinking of Sky Decals or another company that does a whole operation (e.g. Dynamo, Bodenplatte).

At best, the sheets with one item cost about half the 4 subject sheet items.

If the single item sheets were to be considerably cheaper than a multiple item one (i.e. say 1/3 the price), then I think it might be the way to go. If they were only say half or more the cost, then I'd go for the multiple items route.

I have heaps of sheets which are normally type based and at best I would usually use only about 2 of the 4 subjects. Perhaps if the multiple item sheet had two related types (i.e. used in the theatre, squadron, pilot), they might be more appealing as you are more likely to use most of the decals.

I am sure there are limitations in what can be done on a single sheet for the cost. Extra colors add complexity and cost.

Not sure if this helps or hinders.

By the way, I do note that there are a few subjects which aren't covered much yet but might be likely subjects -

Heinkel 219
Heinkel 162

Eaglecals do/will do these but have decided not to issue in 1/72. Decent kits of both and nice to have variation in markings.

Cheers

Michael
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Ruudster
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Also have a look at Wolkpak decals. Their 1/72 stuff seems to move well for them.
http://millcreekconsultants.com/WolfPak_home.html

They do combo sheets under a loose theme. Mainly US stuff, so maybe there is room for sheets like this with a more international flavor?
Ruud van der Salm
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InchHigh
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My two cents:

1) How much to put on one sheet should depend on the economies of scale. You will have a minimum cost to put out a sheet with one subject on it. If the buyer can get four subjects for 1.5 the cost, I think most of us would do that.

2) If you want to sell multiples, combine shipping in your shopping cart. Don't ask eBay how to do this, they haven't figured it out yet. No way am I purchasing five sheets in one order and paying $3.95 x 5 to have them all shipped together in a $2.67 envelope. Also, pack them between two sheets of cardboard so they don't get bent in the mail.

3) Make everything you name yourself easy for those of us who are spelling-challenged. I wonder how much business Aviaeology (for example) has lost because potential customers couldn't get the spelling close enough for Google to find them.

4) Cite references.

5) Pick subjects with a good story.
Jeff

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I spent most of my money on beer and women. The rest of it I just wasted.
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orionfield
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Thank you guys, thats been very helpful. My business partner and I have been working on drawing vector versions of the roundels from every country in the world, we are about 75% percent done with those.

Iam a huge fan of Wolfpack, I have almost every one of their sets. And I would like to do something similar, as far as multiple subjects per sheet, but not exceeding 5 subjects. As a bit of a teaser to our first set we are working on, it has 5 aircraft, 3 American aircraft, on North Vietnam, and one from Luxembourg...
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dknights
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orionfield,Sep 13 2012
03:25 AM
Thank you guys, thats been very helpful. My business partner and I have been working on drawing vector versions of the roundels from every country in the world, we are about 75% percent done with those.

Iam a huge fan of Wolfpack, I have almost every one of their sets. And I would like to do something similar, as far as multiple subjects per sheet, but not exceeding 5 subjects. As a bit of a teaser to our first set we are working on, it has 5 aircraft, 3 American aircraft, on North Vietnam, and one from Luxembourg...

I think that Zotz did sheets of roundels from different countries. I think I have most of those.
David M. Knights
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14 Finished: Special Armor V-2, Airfix P-51
15 Finished: SBS Gladiator engine
16 Finished: Brengun C2 Wasserfall, Merit SS-N-2 Styx, World's smallest diorama, Airfix Hurricane.
17 Finished: Japanese Carrier Deck, Belcher SS-4, Italeri AB41, PLAN Type 039A (not 72nd scale)
18 Finished: NONE
The bench:Platz T-33, Trump. T-34/85, Meng F-106, Airfix P-51 #2, Airfix P-40
Revell MiG-21F-13, Ace Citroen V-11
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stimpy
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What's missing in 1/72 scale are the 60 degrees codes/numbers in white to do late 1940 thru 1960 USN/USMC aircraft in the gloss sea blue schemes. Sizes 36,24 and 12". I've been looking around for weeks trying to find a sheet, and I swear nobody has a sheet. Microscale did, but it's totally sold out.

Considering the number of aircraft that use these it amazes me no one is currently printing such a sheet.
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InchHigh
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Stimpy - Scale Master makes a sheet, SM-43C here: http://www.pacificaeropress.com/ I haven't used them myself, so I can't say anything about quality.

You are right, they are very hard to find. I think Techmod had a sheet out at one time too, but I don't see that listed any more.
Jeff

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RJ Tucker
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Dan,
If you're looking for suggestions, I think a 1/72 scale sheet for modern air-to-air & air-to surface weapons would be popular (with me anyway). The decals in the main-line weapons sets are thick and generally poor; when decals are included with the after-market resin sets they are hit & miss in quality.

Thanks for opportunity,
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RJ
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stimpy
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InchHigh,Sep 15 2012
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Stimpy - Scale Master makes a sheet, SM-43C here: http://www.pacificaeropress.com/ I haven't used them myself, so I can't say anything about quality.

You are right, they are very hard to find. I think Techmod had a sheet out at one time too, but I don't see that listed any more.

I'll send them an order and see what they are like. It's a pity the website has no pictures.

Stimpy
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stimpy
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RJ Tucker,Sep 15 2012
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Dan,
If you're looking for suggestions, I think a 1/72 scale sheet for modern air-to-air & air-to surface weapons would be popular (with me anyway).  The decals in the main-line weapons sets are thick and generally poor; when decals are included with the after-market resin sets they are hit & miss in quality.     

Thanks for opportunity,
:wub:

Check out this review at IPMS US,

IPMS

At the end of the 1/48 review, they mention that Pacific Aero Press do them in 1/72.

I just went there to check out USN numbers/letters, thanks to Jeff's suggestion in the earlier post on this topic.

Pacific Aero Press

they are listed at the bottom of their page.
Stimpy
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RJ Tucker
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stimpy,Sep 16 2012
11:31 PM
RJ Tucker,Sep 15 2012
03:22 PM
Dan,
If you're looking for suggestions, I think a 1/72 scale sheet for modern air-to-air & air-to surface weapons would be popular (with me anyway).  The decals in the main-line weapons sets are thick and generally poor; when decals are included with the after-market resin sets they are hit & miss in quality.     

Thanks for opportunity,
:wub:

Check out this review at IPMS US,

IPMS

At the end of the 1/48 review, they mention that Pacific Aero Press do them in 1/72.

I just went there to check out USN numbers/letters, thanks to Jeff's suggestion in the earlier post on this topic.

Pacific Aero Press

they are listed at the bottom of their page.
Stimpy

IICR, thhe Scale-Master sheet reflects the 80's timeframe & doesn't have the missile stripes just the stencils, nor does it have anything for the the AIM-9X, HARM, AIM-120A/C or the latest generation of PGMs and LGBs.

A sheet for current AAW weapons and one for LBGs/ AGMs would be great!

OH!... and a 3rd sheet for European weapons would be orgasmic! (well...not really, but I'd buy a few.)

:ph43r:

RJ
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johnopfor
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I would agree with RJ about the weapons decals.

I, personally, would like to see more ANG markings from the 1940's-1960's, not just the F-84, F-86 and early jet fighters, but for other aircraft such as the B-25, B-26, HU-16 and Canberra.

Hell, I would KILL (legally) for a 1/72 scale Canberra sheet for Vermont, Kansas and Arkansas ANG.

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orionfield
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Wow, ok then, I can do most of these, I think missile stripes are doable, as for the ANG aircraft, I can definately do those, if you can help me out by getting me started with some references, I can get those done for you. sabrestardecals@gmail.com
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