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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 20 2012, 06:38 AM (1,647 Views) | |
| kingofmen | Oct 20 2012, 06:38 AM Post #1 |
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I have a copy of Modeldecal sheet #72, which includes the raspberry ripple FG1 scheme that celebrated the 25th Phantom anniversary at IAT in 1983. I also have a copy of a Fujimi Phantom F-4K, which is one of the Spey types. The anniversary FG1 does not seem to have the rectangular structure (radar?) on the top of the tail fin that some FG1s have. Modeldecal points out a Doppler panel on the underside of the nose. The Fujimi kit "looks" like the drawings by Richard Ward in the sheet's instructions, but we all know the perils of that. At least both types are definitely Spey-engined. Not being a Phantom expert by any stretch of the imagination, here's my question: Can an F-4K be built as an FG1? What are the external detail differences between the two types, if any? Modeldecal suggest the Matchbox kit, which just probably means the Fujimi ones had not been produced at that time. Any help from the legions of Phantom Phans would be appreciated! |
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| Seahawk | Oct 20 2012, 07:50 AM Post #2 |
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I am not a Phantom expert or even a Phantom Phan. Hwever the key point to grasp is that F-4K Phantom II is the US designation for the aircraft designated in British (RN and RAF) usage as the Phantom FG.1: they are the same aircraft. Same goes for the F-4M Phantom II and Phantom FGR.2. Where confusion is evidently beginning to creep in is that when Fujimi brought out their range of Phantoms, they used F-4K Phantom and Phantom FG.1 to differentiate between early and late versions of the plane. As you have correctly identified, the main difference between the two was the addition of the Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) to the top of the fin on aircraft later in life. Now there may be other changes between early and late Phantom FG.1s, and Fujimi may or may not have reflected them accurately: I expect Phantom enthusiasts will be along shortly to clarify that. But the answer to your question is "yes": for an early Phantom FG.1, all you need to do is use the "plain" fin cap, assuming that the parts are still on the sprues. HTH |
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| Dave Fleming | Oct 20 2012, 05:48 PM Post #3 |
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As Seahawk, F-4K and FG1 are the same - the big difference between the standard kit and the AAEE aircraft is the nose cone which was modified to carry a doppler panel on the underside. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/725048.html http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g238/vic...30723_XT597.jpg Fujimi did at one point issued a kit with a separate radome, but it's very rare these days. The other thing to watch is I don't think XT597 had the double extending nose leg that was fitted to RN Phantoms. |
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| kingofmen | Oct 20 2012, 06:11 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks to Dave and Seahawk. That the F-4K and FG1 were the same was something that I suspected, but the detail variations in Phantoms can be a bit of a minefield, and I'm out of my depth there. I didn't know that Fujimi issued a kit with the Doppler nose radome. But that isn't the kit that I have, so I know I need to get that modification made. And I'll check which nose gear the kit has. Now all I have to do is plan out that raspberry ripple paint scheme; not the easiest one in the book, but it does look nice once complete. Again, thanks gents. |
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| Thud-Phan | Oct 21 2012, 04:55 AM Post #5 |
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Is the different nose cone unique to XT597 or was this a modification introduced to the British f-4 fleet? If so when? I have both the Fujimi F-4K and FG.1 kits and their nose sections look exactly alike. What I am wondering is this correct, or did Fujimi just change the tail but not the nose? Any additional information would be greatly appreciated! |
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| gmat | Oct 21 2012, 08:57 AM Post #6 |
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The AAEE kit should have the modified nose. Fujimi originally released the kit with a metal nose and later versions of the kit had an injected plastic nose, so the last repop should have the modified nose. I think that I have the later kit and will check it out. What is the box number of the repop that doesn't have the modified nose? Best wishes, Grant |
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| Joe Hegedus | Oct 21 2012, 06:28 PM Post #7 |
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Pretty sure the dopler radome was unique to that airplane and not used fleet-wide. |
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| Seahawk | Oct 21 2012, 09:31 PM Post #8 |
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I'm pretty sure you're right too. I think (but do not know) that the Doppler was added uniquely to XT597 as part of her trials role with the A&AEE. |
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| kingofmen | Oct 22 2012, 03:01 AM Post #9 |
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Grant: The unmodified nose kit that I'm working with is titled "British Phantom F-4K Yellow Bird", has a series designation of H-8, and a kit number of 7AH8. The decals I'm using are Modeldecal #72. |
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| gmat | Oct 22 2012, 07:44 AM Post #10 |
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kingofmen, Sorry, I didn't read the posts very well. I thought someone said that the latest repop of the FG.1 25th Anniversary kit didn't have the extra modified nose. I believe that the three current repops, RAF FGR.2 Last Phantom, FG.1 Treble One and RN FG.1 Silver Jubilee all have the later tails with the RHAW tops. Fujumi doesn't provide alternate older fin tops parts. You have to modify the tail tops yourself. The whole fuselage sprue had the modified or unmodified tail tops. Didn't XT597 also fly with the AAEE paint scheme and with a regular radome? I can mail you a 25th Anniv sprue, (with the three part modified nose) but after next week. I have a few 25th Anniversary kits as I was looking for the white sprues with the unmodified tails. The older 25th Anniv. kits still pop up at Leonardos, but since they moved to a smaller store next door in Akihabara, the selection is much smaller. Best wishes, Grant |
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| Thud-Phan | Oct 22 2012, 03:01 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks to Seahawk and Joe. I will continue in my assumption that Fujimi got the nose correct and I will not have to conduct reconstructive surgery when I get to building my FG.1 and F-4K (ignorance is a lame excuse but it works sometimes). The 'silver jubilee' FG.1 (7AH6-1200 ) does have the RHAW top molded nicely to the top of the fin. Thunder & Lightnings website contains links to several sites that have quite a few pictures of the A&AEE aircraft. Thunder & Lightnings |
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| keefr22 | Oct 22 2012, 10:53 PM Post #12 |
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Just to add. The FG1 was the navalised Phantom, thus has an extendable nose leg, slatted tailplanes, catapult strop hooks under the inner wings & minor differences in the cockpit, mostly in the navigator's (or in FAA parlance, observer's) office. After the demise of the RN's proper carrier fleet the FG1's went to the R.A.F.'s 43 & 111 squadrons. Some new build FG1's I believe went straight to the RAF. The FGR2 was a dedicated land version with a 'normal' F-4 nose leg, unslatted tailplanes, no catapult hooks (but I'm not sure if they retained the hook recesses, and I don't have my refs to hand to check. The FG in the designation is fighter, ground attack & the R in the RAF designation is reconaissance, carried out by the Toom with a centreline fule tank & modified Seargeant-Fletcher wing tanks (again I'm not 100% certain of the wing tank bit, but am going from memory!) I'm also 99.9% sure that 597 was the only one with the modified radome, unless Boscombe Down had another which they've managed to keep Top Secret...!! Keef |
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| Seahawk | Oct 23 2012, 12:21 AM Post #13 |
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Don't think so: the FGR.2's reconnaissance package was a large pod made by EMI that went under the fuselage. http://www.spyflight.co.uk/emipod.htm |
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| keefr22 | Oct 23 2012, 08:06 AM Post #14 |
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D'oh! That'll teach me for posting when I hadn't slept for nearly 36 hours!! My 'centreline fuel tank' was supposed to read an 'EMI recce pod'....!!! Thanks Seahawk! I'm still not sure if I was hallucinating about those modified wing tanks either. I'm sure I've seen them somewhere, but a quick check of a couple of refs earlier hasn't turned anything up. I recall the nose of the tank being modded & the rest still able to carry fuel?? Keef |
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| gmat | Oct 23 2012, 08:40 AM Post #15 |
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Here is a link to a BritModeler thread on the wing tank flash pods. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...2Bflash+%2Bpods ReccePhreak called them LS-93A Electronic Night flash System, built by Chicago Aerial Industries. Best wishes, Grant |
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