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Topic Started: May 16 2008, 04:12 PM (686 Views)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfg3w11_A_E

imo fake.
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Imo:

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imo, its so hard to judge based on 4.30 Min of a sobbing girl. Refraining from comment.
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*jumps on chair*

I'm late for my business conference.
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That's an awfully good frame rate for someone who's living in poverty...
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fake as Britney Spears's boobs
SPAM CORPS, FORWARD!
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fake.
she's a pretty bad actor.
and if she was smart, she'd be consulting the police and getting therapy, not making a youtube video.
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May 16 2008, 09:02 PM
fake.
she's a pretty bad actor.
and if she was smart, she'd be consulting the police and getting therapy, not making a youtube video.

Well in all fairness, she said she was living in "poverty", so therapy would be a little costly. Also, She's complaining that the legal system isn't doing anything, so how would contacting the police help? Either way, I think it's fake. I guess she could sell her camera, cancel her internet, and sell her computer to get therapy...
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People in poverty don't have good cameras, high-speed internet for uploading videos and computers.
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more fake than dragons strap on
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luke, i am your mother
I don't think theres any harm in trying to help her though. so what your efforts are wasted?
what if it's true?
but i'm guessing, you guys won't eat your heart out..

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so the biggest reason u guys think its fake cause she was able to upload a movie on youtube and film herself with a average camera (the light changes as she moves back and forth, indicating a reasonable but not great quality). You guys should be lawyers..... how can a 16 year old girl do such a thing if she isn't filhty rich?

Imo, taking a neutral position is best. There are arguments who could be used as pro (in one of the reactions somebody says it was on german TV, indicating it was real since tv reporters most of the time make sure its real first), and ofcourse there are reasons that are against her (u would think u would have heard something about it if it was real, seeing all the responses, views etc.).

If u can't say for sure, u should be wise and take a neutral position.

(i sometimes get the feeling im more explaining how my reasoning went, and making ppl understand that they should be more wiser in there reactions then actually giving my opinion. You c the reasoning, the big line behind it.......)
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The only reason I said "wtf" is because I'm in no position to do what so ever. She's in florida, I'm in france. I have other probs to take care of (and I'm not refering to love).
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You can see from her body actions that she's lying:

1) At a few certain points during the vid, she seems to be grinning, or almost smiling. She's either amused by the joke, or it's a bad acting attempt at creating a sneering emotion.

2) She looks away from the camera countless amounts of times. When people are guilty with the fact that they lie, they fail to make eye contact, and look away at other objects.

3) Also, another point of grinning. from 1: 30 to 1: 44, her mouth almost shows a smile.

4) She furrows her brows, shaking her head and squeezing her eyes shut several times; but no tears come out?

5) Several times during the video, she appears relaxed. If her eyes and cheeks weren't red and moist, she'd look like she'd be lounging around normally.

6) Occassionally she raises her eyebrows in a "So there!" or "Aha!" kinda way, as if she's thinking "Now I've got them, this line'll make them care so much."

7) Once again; if she's in poverty, what's with the hi-quality camera and the hi-speed internet for uploading videos?
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she is crying... in the first minute u sometimes c water sparkle on her cheeks. And i could swear that i saw a tear coming from her eyes when i watched. So much for the high resolution camera idea.

I can't say if thats a grin or just because she is crying. How can u tell the difference?

and sometimes she looks away ye, but the theory of looking away when lying is only used face to face. Everbody can look into a camera when lying.

O and in the comments there is even talk about CNN reporting about it. Im guessing this is real, and that there was a case etc.

QUOTE: "anyone who thinks this is fake should go to cnn and look at the most viewed stories " comment on the youtube film.

Im not trying to convince you guys to believe her, im trying to make u understand that u should be carefull just forming ur opinion without thinking. If that becomes a habit for u, u might end up hurting alot of ppl.

In this case, it seems to be leaning to her been "the bad person". She had a sexual relation with the guy before. However, she claims to have said no that time. no = no meaning rape. On the other hand, she is destroying the life of this guy.
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Ironically here, your main argument is that it was on CNN. Yet you accuse us of not thinking. I can tell you that I've witnessed first hand CNN lying about something as serious as a raid on a town. One of my friends who lives in lebanon where CNN said the city where my friend lived was being bombed (EVEN SHOWED FOOTAGE OF THE BOMBINGS) by Israeli forces told me that nothing was happening. The broadcast was live, they showed the city being bombed, I called my friend to ask if he was alright, he says "I don't know what you're talking about, I'm standing on my balcony with an overview of the entire city, and there's no fighting happening at all."

News isn't a very reliable source sometimes. In fact, they don't need to report facts at all. They're not obligated to. They can report anything they want, true or false. In other words, whatever gets the most ratings.

Also, there's something called water...she could easily have used it. Hell if she's really clever, she would have used salty water. Her camera IS good, you need only take a glance. Ffs, my camera doesn't adjust to the contrast in lighting that well, and I'm certainly not in poverty. She obviously has a computer too, which from first hand experience, I can tell you that it is not high on the priority list if you're living in poverty. Having said that, as low as the computer is on the priority list, the camera is even lower.

You have a habit of discarding everything as a "theory". First of all, more accurately, it's a correlation. Second of all, it's not based around some magical force that a person creates when looking at a lying person. People who lie do that because they're nervous, it doesn't matter what they're supposed to be looking at, they get nervous when they're telling the lie and they look away.

But wait, I dare not go into detail lest I be accused of googling things. Because heaven forbid people actually know stuff and aren't completely retarded.
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well no one knows if its real or not, but tbh if it wasn't real why is she even bothered to make such a video? but yet again, some people can make themselves cry so im still doubting in a way. and i dont think evey friend will look down on her. if she has true friends, they would still care for her.

and she didn't really talk much about that "boyfriend" of hers, all she said was rape bla bla bla
bt it might be true since it was on CNN
like i think the things CNN report can be twisted/baised and don't report the truth (e.g. tibet and sals thing), but i think in general in terms of like the EVENT itself is true, but of course thats IF cnn reported about it.
if not, then probably fake.
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Plz dont tell me that this crappy topic will get touchy.

*burps* (i really did, damn beer)

Excuse me.
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lol same.
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MxDiane
May 17 2008, 03:15 PM
well no one knows if its real or not, but tbh if it wasn't real why is she even bothered to make such a video?

doh, she's like famous now..
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that is something politicial, way different from this case. And u don't seem to get the point: its not about CNN or anybody else, its about them saying its false without even knowing anything about the story. Try to to read what i say for once, this attacking me on wrong grounds is getting annoying.

Just for saladin so he can comprehend what i mean:
Don't judge till u know the facts.

Im not looking for a debat on this, cause we don't have the facts... again. Im trying to make ppl look at it from a different perspectief.

Now... do u ppl understand this or do i have to draw a picture?
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May 17 2008, 02:21 PM
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May 17 2008, 03:15 PM
well no one knows if its real or not, but tbh if it wasn't real why is she even bothered to make such a video?

doh, she's like famous now..

well yea true, some people are just merely attention-seekers
but yet again, she won't really gain anything out of this :S
as if shes gna get a bonus or increase in pay or sth.
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You're incredibly ironic. We ARE looking at the facts. The facts are the video. Please tell me you understand that. I said it's probably fake, there's a chance it could be real but it's unlikely. Wow, please read. You living in la la land is getting really annoying too. For god's sake, we analyzed the video and came to a conclusion on the most likely scenario, it's getting annoying having to spoon feed you common sense.
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May 17 2008, 03:26 PM
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May 17 2008, 02:21 PM
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May 17 2008, 03:15 PM
well no one knows if its real or not, but tbh if it wasn't real why is she even bothered to make such a video?

doh, she's like famous now..

well yea true, some people are just merely attention-seekers
but yet again, she won't really gain anything out of this :S

you're forgetting she's asking for "help"...

ppl will help her with money or attention or whatever... she's definitely gaining from this.

and that's either a good thing, or a bad thing.
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Omg who cares? If she is an attention seeker, then you're all doing what she wants. And its not like we can do anything. So give it up.
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May 17 2008, 02:28 PM
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May 17 2008, 03:26 PM
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May 17 2008, 03:15 PM
well no one knows if its real or not, but tbh if it wasn't real why is she even bothered to make such a video?

doh, she's like famous now..

well yea true, some people are just merely attention-seekers
but yet again, she won't really gain anything out of this :S

you're forgetting she's asking for "help"...

ppl will help her with money or attention or whatever... she's definitely gaining from this.

and that's either a good thing, or a bad thing.

hm, well yea true.
but lets say like the people who decides to go and help her
will first have to contact her and (normally unless theyre too stupid not to do so) would want to know more about whats happening first instead of randomly throwing money into the ocean.
but yet again, there are many unbright people in this world, so yeah.
omg i just see this new heart emoticon, it looks quite out of place btw @@
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on a side note, she's pretty ;)
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Not imo.
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hmmmm

rly?

you=crazy.

consider that a compliment, i'd call anyone else gay for saying she's not pretty.
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ewwwwwwwww thats pretty?
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