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Athiests and Agnostics alike,
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Incog	Jun 23 2011, 04:23 PM Post #301
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007
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Big Richard	Jun 23 2011, 05:14 PM Post #302
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jun 23 2011, 05:59 PM Post #303
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	LOL
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Big Richard	Jun 27 2011, 05:54 PM Post #304
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Nov 27 2008, 05:57 PM Big Richard,Nov 27 2008 09:41 PM Ultra-Musketeer,Nov 27 2008 04:26 PM Big Richard,Nov 27 2008 08:52 AM Oh god religeous people, I'm not going to go into that -.- Anyway, morals can't be right or wrong it's all in the eye of the beholder or whatever. Basically Hitler did this and that because in his eyes jews were bad and killing them was good, whereas the allied forces fighting against Hitler saw it the opposite way, so there is no RIGHT or WRONG list when it comes to morals, it varies for each person, so to answer your question we can't tell whats right or wrong officially because it is not a set law, it's not even real, it's your concious (idk how to spell it). Haha, Big Richard, ya know what? Fuck you. Fuck. You. I understand now why your nickname is Big Dick . If you can't respect religious people, then you obviously can't respect yourself. Go and rape donkeys with your artificial vagina, cum-face. Hahaha, I didn't say anything disrespectful, and since I'm athiest you go on bashing me, so you're little speech about how I can't respect religeous people fires back up your ass. holy SHIT man, you got some nice come backs! Well listen to me, dork face, YOU can take your WATER BUFFALO FAECES and shove it up your ass!! Kos I REALLY can't deal with people as IGNORANT and SELF-ASSURED as you are!!!!! You watch me, I'm gonna get you BANNED from the goddamn forums, mate! I have some pretty good influence here, and I'll make sure that you never have an enjoyable moment on the internet EVER AGAIN. No go play HIDE THE SAUSAGE with your father. He's waiting. I rofl'd. I remember when ultra had a fetish for me.



Big Richard	Jun 27 2011, 06:09 PM Post #305
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:54 AM gs,Dec 3 2008 12:48 PM it's simple instinct, not morals, to protect members of your own species and not to kill or fight them. Then why do lions kill each other? Because they want or need to. For instance, if a lion hasn't eaten anything for about a week, he'd definitely kill another lion and take his food. But you might say, "humans aren't lions. We're smart, and we can tell what's right and what's wrong". But how can you tell what's right and what's wrong? It's definitely not an instinct to protect every single human on this planet. but to add to the topic: Do you know of Maslow's heirarchy of needs, dragon? An animals instincts are to survive. If the basic needs of an animal are not met higher level thinking won't happen. In other words you wouldn't be thinking about the morality of the A-bombs dropped on japan if you were starving in a desert. There's been plenty of cases where people resorted to cannibalism after a plane crash, religious or not. as for right and wrong in this sense, think of a moral landscape. There is in a situation decisions that would best lead to flourishing of all biological creatures and then there are decisions which would create the worst possible scenario to the flourishing of all biological creatures. So then there begins a continuum in which you start to see better and better solutions or "morally right" choices. Why would you kill another human? It doesn't help to flourish society. ^Thats an idea taken from the idea of a "science of morality" by Sam Harris in his book and theory "the moral landscape". He talks about how moral objectivity doesn't have to derive from god. Pretty interesting but a little flawed, but still good nonetheless. He also brings up a good point about why "God's" moral objectivity is obsolete. God tells us its a sin to lie. However, it doesnt take into account who you're lying to or why. So lets say you're hiding jews in your attic during WWII and nazi officers knock on your door, they ask if you're hiding any jews. God would say its wrong to lie in this situation. But in reality the right decision would be to lie in this situation. also cow was convinced the bible was actually the word of god written by god itself lol so as to say gods morals weren't created by man. If you think logically, and assume God to not be real as if you're an atheist, you can therefore assume that man created these morals themselves. Which means an atheist can live by the same moral lifestyle a religious person can. If an atheist agrees with the morals that is. Now cow would probably rebuke that an atheist should not listen to these morals if they were simply written by another man however, a truly moral decision cannot be made in fear of punishment or with promise of reward as hell or heaven would serve to a religious person. im bored



Big Richard	Jun 27 2011, 06:12 PM Post #306
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	also there is a difference between the morals dictated by one's God, lets say Allah for example, compared to the morals dictated or set by another's God, lets say the christian god for example. So which one is right? How can there be moral objectivity if half the world believes their god's morals are objective and the other half believes their separate morals are objective? Case in point: moral objectivity can't be derived from religion. It takes a common human understanding in all of us, along with a humanitarian view to truly have something remotely close to moral objectivity.



DragonLegend	Jun 27 2011, 06:27 PM Post #307
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I'm sorry, but I don't remember ever discussing lions or morality in this thread at all. But now that you mention it:



Big Richard	Jun 27 2011, 06:45 PM Post #308
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	is that comic directed at me? because I don't see how it is relevant.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jun 27 2011, 06:46 PM Post #309
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Why does the female preying mantis eat the male after having copulated?
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Big Richard	Jun 27 2011, 06:48 PM Post #310
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	google it



DragonLegend	Jun 27 2011, 07:06 PM Post #311
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	The picture is about moral relativists. This is often the case with them.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jun 27 2011, 08:14 PM Post #312
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	It should be in the unfunny picture thread, tbh.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Jun 28 2011, 05:22 PM Post #313
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	relevant revelation i used to mix those two words up before, though i'd throw that out there
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