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Athiests and Agnostics alike,
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Jam	Dec 2 2008, 02:04 AM Post #151
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	"Did I imply man will last forever? No? No, of couse not Then shut up.No but what I said remained relevant." No its not, because my post does not agree or disagree with the point you made, its completely independent. If you want to make a point then make it, but don't pretend I said something to make it. "Did what I said even have anything to do with atheism? No?Yes actualy. Then shut up." The fuctioning of human societies is not a matter of theism vs. atheism.
	Long live Carolus


Big Richard	Dec 2 2008, 02:46 AM Post #152
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Ok I just caught up on the pages and I have to say : I hate du hast its rammsteins most popular song but if you're a true fan you know its not their best and far from it. Rammstein pwns and I know the meaning behind most their songs and the translation. also on the debate : Cow pwns, jam owns, sal rapes.



Jack the IV	Dec 2 2008, 03:18 AM Post #153
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Of course sal rapes, he's a Palestinian :D
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


UnknownCow	Dec 2 2008, 03:20 AM Post #154
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Big Richard Dec 2 2008, 02:46 AM Ok I just caught up on the pages and I have to say : I hate du hast its rammsteins most popular song but if you're a true fan you know its not their best and far from it. Rammstein pwns and I know the meaning behind most their songs and the translation. also on the debate : Cow pwns, jam owns, sal rapes. Why thank you, it's the nices thing you've aid to me Richard. B)



DragonLegend	Dec 2 2008, 08:42 AM Post #155
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hey, what's with the ganging up on Cow here? --- Quote: We know it feels bad to be hurt, so logically, we figure it would be satisfying to hurt others when we're angry at them. Fixed.



MxDiane	Dec 2 2008, 11:04 AM Post #156
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	what are you even doing on our forums
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UnknownCow	Dec 2 2008, 09:49 PM Post #157
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	DragonLegend Dec 2 2008, 08:42 AM Hey, what's with the ganging up on Cow here? Meh, I'm not complaining, but the only people who might agree havn't been active and/or are to wimpy to post here.



Supervizor	Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM Post #158
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath



Jack the IV	Dec 2 2008, 10:32 PM Post #159
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 11:04 AM what are you even doing on our forums Just because he called you a bitch and got into a little fight with you doesn't mean you have to be mean to him.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Big Richard	Dec 2 2008, 10:43 PM Post #160
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Jack the IV Dec 2 2008, 10:32 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 11:04 AM what are you even doing on our forums Just because he called you a bitch and got into a little fight with you doesn't mean you have to be mean to him. lmao @ COW: if you're a true christian how do you not know right from wrong? I thought god told you the difference.



UnknownCow	Dec 3 2008, 01:07 AM Post #161
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Supervizor Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath Better? Hahaha. Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes:



UnknownCow	Dec 3 2008, 01:08 AM Post #162
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Big Richard Dec 2 2008, 10:43 PM Jack the IV Dec 2 2008, 10:32 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 11:04 AM what are you even doing on our forums Just because he called you a bitch and got into a little fight with you doesn't mean you have to be mean to him. lmao @ COW: if you're a true christian how do you not know right from wrong? I thought god told you the difference. What is this in response to??



Big Richard	Dec 3 2008, 01:52 AM Post #163
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	No particular post just your idealogy that humans don't have morals or something.



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 02:01 AM Post #164
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 01:07 AM Supervizor Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath Better? Hahaha. Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes: really, wtf is that suppose to mean :P. As i said, people have certain emotions. You seem unable to recognise them so imma help you. "Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes:" thats a fine example of arrogance. Now don't be alarmed when i say this is a bad emotion. Dw, you can grow out of it. but sure, why not. Imma go with you. You seem to believe (a part) of the human race does not have ethics/morals. But stop keeping us in the dark and be specific. tell us what happend to you that indicates that assumption.



UnknownCow	Dec 3 2008, 02:56 AM Post #165
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 02:01 AM UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 01:07 AM Supervizor Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath Better? Hahaha. Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes: really, wtf is that suppose to mean :P. As i said, people have certain emotions. You seem unable to recognise them so imma help you. "Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes:" thats a fine example of arrogance. Now don't be alarmed when i say this is a bad emotion. Dw, you can grow out of it. but sure, why not. Imma go with you. You seem to believe (a part) of the human race does not have ethics/morals. But stop keeping us in the dark and be specific. tell us what happend to you that indicates that assumption. This is not arrogance, it is fact. You say maybe I'll better myself. When you don't believe in objective good than better means absolutely nothing, and assumes one would want to be "better" in your eyes. I never said I think some people are devoid of subjective ethics, I have said hat because they are so drsticaly different from the classical ones that i can be said a man is devoid of morals. This is not true, if one only believes in subjective ethics.



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 09:07 AM Post #166
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 09:12 AM Post #167
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Dec 3 2008, 04:52 AM No particular post just your idealogy that humans don't have morals or something. Richard, you're Atheist, right? Then you must think humans are just smart animals. And last time I checked, animals didn't have morals. If you were raised in a world where it's ok to just take and/or do whatever you want, then you would think that that is "right". So humans can't know what's really right or wrong, unless a higher being ( eg God ) told them.



gs	Dec 3 2008, 09:48 AM Post #168
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	humans didn't have morals in the beginning, but got more and more civilised and made their own morals to protect their society. which is quite necessary with these amounts of people... and also, it's simple instinct, not morals, to protect members of your own species and not to kill or fight them. if there were no rules against killing eachother we still wouldn't do it... just the crazy psychopaths among us.



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 09:54 AM Post #169
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	gs Dec 3 2008, 12:48 PM it's simple instinct, not morals, to protect members of your own species and not to kill or fight them. Then why do lions kill each other? Because they want or need to. For instance, if a lion hasn't eaten anything for about a week, he'd definitely kill another lion and take his food. But you might say, "humans aren't lions. We're smart, and we can tell what's right and what's wrong". But how can you tell what's right and what's wrong? It's definitely not an instinct to protect every single human on this planet.



gs	Dec 3 2008, 10:38 AM Post #170
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 10:54 AM gs Dec 3 2008, 12:48 PM it's simple instinct, not morals, to protect members of your own species and not to kill or fight them. Then why do lions kill each other? Because they want or need to. For instance, if a lion hasn't eaten anything for about a week, he'd definitely kill another lion and take his food. But you might say, "humans aren't lions. We're smart, and we can tell what's right and what's wrong". But how can you tell what's right and what's wrong? It's definitely not an instinct to protect every single human on this planet. it's instinct to feel more bound to them than to any other animal. a lion would rather eat something else than a fellow lion, it would only turn against its own species if it was desperate for food, survival instinct is still stronger than any other.



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 12:35 PM Post #171
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:07 AM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? dragon, be glad i don't have admin rights anymore... what are you even doing here :S. Didn't you post how evil we where on age com and then left? good trade imo.....



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 12:42 PM Post #172
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 02:56 AM Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 02:01 AM UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 01:07 AM Supervizor Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath Better? Hahaha. Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes: really, wtf is that suppose to mean :P. As i said, people have certain emotions. You seem unable to recognise them so imma help you. "Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes:" thats a fine example of arrogance. Now don't be alarmed when i say this is a bad emotion. Dw, you can grow out of it. but sure, why not. Imma go with you. You seem to believe (a part) of the human race does not have ethics/morals. But stop keeping us in the dark and be specific. tell us what happend to you that indicates that assumption. This is not arrogance, it is fact. You say maybe I'll better myself. When you don't believe in objective good than better means absolutely nothing, and assumes one would want to be "better" in your eyes. I never said I think some people are devoid of subjective ethics, I have said hat because they are so drsticaly different from the classical ones that i can be said a man is devoid of morals. This is not true, if one only believes in subjective ethics. some "goods" are universal. Helping people in need, no matter how "subjective" you find this, is good. Simple and true. Do you ever help other people (those who are really in need, not some twat from ur school who forgot to do his homework)? - we still have morals like those in the classicial age. We still stick with our family, murder and rape is still not allowed. What are you even talking about :S, our morals aren't THAT subjective. They change a bit over time, cause WE LEARN :o:O:O. People nowadays for example (in europe atleast) find even the rape of people in foreign countries bad. We call that education... Our morals didn't change but they improved imo. But give me one example wherein: classic vs nowadays where the classical time was genuinely better.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Dec 3 2008, 01:37 PM Post #173
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Unknown Cow is gay.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


gs	Dec 3 2008, 01:47 PM Post #174
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Supervizor Do you ever help other people (those who are really in need, not some twat from ur school who forgot to do his homework)? O: those twats really need help too! :P



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Dec 3 2008, 02:01 PM Post #175
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 01:07 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? You must be accidentally referring to yourself 0:
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


gs	Dec 3 2008, 02:20 PM Post #176
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	read through the discussion and while it was unclear at some points i have to say i agree with cow when he says there's no objective good or bad, those things are all subjective. for example, what vizor brought up was charity. in modern society, obviously we all agree that helping the needy is a good thing, but it can still never be an objective good, simply because such a thing can't be scientifically proven, and because our morals weren't always like this... they used to be more like: the worst thing about charity is that it stops evolution. the whole principle of "the strong survive, the weak extinct" is ruined by protecting the weak. sure, some needy people are poor by no fault of their own, but hey, better luck next time... a gazillion years ago, that's how human morals existed. yes, we started thinking differently, but this only means our subjective views on stuff changed, doesn't mean it changed to objective fact.



Germee	Dec 3 2008, 02:26 PM Post #177
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DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 04:35 PM Post #178
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 03:35 PM DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:12 AM Big Richard Dec 3 2008, 04:52 AM No particular post just your idealogy that humans don't have morals or something. Richard, you're Atheist, right? Then you must think humans are just smart animals. And last time I checked, animals didn't have morals. If you were raised in a world where it's ok to just take and/or do whatever you want, then you would think that that is "right". So humans can't know what's really right or wrong, unless a higher being ( eg God ) told them. dragon, be glad i don't have admin rights anymore... what are you even doing here :S. Didn't you post how evil we where on age com and then left? good trade imo..... I only came here to look for Sal, and I thought I might post a little. Anyways, my business here is finished. So I'll probably be leaving anytime soon.



gs	Dec 3 2008, 04:38 PM Post #179
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 01:35 PM DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:12 AM Big Richard Dec 3 2008, 04:52 AM No particular post just your idealogy that humans don't have morals or something. Richard, you're Atheist, right? Then you must think humans are just smart animals. And last time I checked, animals didn't have morals. If you were raised in a world where it's ok to just take and/or do whatever you want, then you would think that that is "right". So humans can't know what's really right or wrong, unless a higher being ( eg God ) told them. dragon, be glad i don't have admin rights anymore... what are you even doing here :S. Didn't you post how evil we where on age com and then left? good trade imo..... that's why you don't have admin rights anymore :P too strict... everyone is welcome here, especially someone that has been a big part of the activity of these forums for a long time.



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 04:42 PM Post #180
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Thank you. The forums are ok besides the political part.



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