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Athiests and Agnostics alike,
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Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 04:54 PM Post #181
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:07 AM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? :D:D this is why i would have banned you. Quoted the wrong post :P



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 04:56 PM Post #182
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	gs Dec 3 2008, 04:38 PM Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 01:35 PM DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 09:12 AM Big Richard Dec 3 2008, 04:52 AM No particular post just your idealogy that humans don't have morals or something. Richard, you're Atheist, right? Then you must think humans are just smart animals. And last time I checked, animals didn't have morals. If you were raised in a world where it's ok to just take and/or do whatever you want, then you would think that that is "right". So humans can't know what's really right or wrong, unless a higher being ( eg God ) told them. dragon, be glad i don't have admin rights anymore... what are you even doing here :S. Didn't you post how evil we where on age com and then left? good trade imo..... that's why you don't have admin rights anymore :P too strict... everyone is welcome here, especially someone that has been a big part of the activity of these forums for a long time. as i said, wrong quote... i was never to strict ;P. Never banned anybody



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 04:56 PM Post #183
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 05:07 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? Why don't you fuck off our forums like you're meant to and be a good-loving muslim like you're meant to be, Bahraini.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


gs	Dec 3 2008, 04:57 PM Post #184
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	vizor, you deleted posts that weren't spam, and you just said you would've banned dragon :/



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 05:01 PM Post #185
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	gs Dec 3 2008, 04:57 PM vizor, you deleted posts that weren't spam, and you just said you would've banned dragon :/ yes, but i never banned anybody :S. And he kinda deserves it.... i never deleted posts that wheren't very spam/insulting....



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 05:04 PM Post #186
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	MxDiane Dec 3 2008, 07:56 PM DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 05:07 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? Why don't you fuck off our forums like you're meant to and be a good-loving muslim like you're meant to be, Bahraini. You are a smelly pirate hooker.



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 05:13 PM Post #187
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Dec 4 2008, 01:04 AM MxDiane Dec 3 2008, 07:56 PM DragonLegend Dec 3 2008, 05:07 PM MxDiane Dec 2 2008, 02:04 PM what are you even doing on our forums Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island? Why don't you fuck off our forums like you're meant to and be a good-loving muslim like you're meant to be, Bahraini. You are a smelly pirate hooker. Lmao.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


gs	Dec 3 2008, 05:22 PM Post #188
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 06:01 PM gs Dec 3 2008, 04:57 PM vizor, you deleted posts that weren't spam, and you just said you would've banned dragon :/ yes, but i never banned anybody :S. And he kinda deserves it.... i never deleted posts that wheren't very spam/insulting.... slash insulting exactly (:



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 05:24 PM Post #189
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Quote: And he kinda deserves it.... I don't see how "muslim" is less insulting than "whore". If I deserve to get banned for calling her a whore, then she definitely deserves to get banned for calling me a Muslim. Right?



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 05:36 PM Post #190
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Dec 4 2008, 01:24 AM Quote: And he kinda deserves it.... I don't see how "muslim" is less insulting than "whore". If I deserve to get banned for calling her a whore, then she definitely deserves to get banned for calling me a Muslim. Right? I have Muslim friends. and they are cool, unlike you.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 05:44 PM Post #191
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	You have cool, Muslim friends, yet you use the word "Muslim" as an insult...hmmmm



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 05:52 PM Post #192
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	No, the word Muslim is to make you realize that you are one too. So stop thinking that it's a bad thing. All you're doing is being a disgrace and ruining the Muslim Reputation.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 05:54 PM Post #193
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Well, would you like to explain to me why I'm a Muslim?



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 05:56 PM Post #194
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	How should I know. You're full of secrets Up till now, I still don't know your name. Would you expect me to be able to know why you're Muslim? Lol. How Absurd.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 05:58 PM Post #195
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Well, if you don't know how I'm a Muslim, how can you say that I'm indeed a Muslim?



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 06:09 PM Post #196
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	Lol. I'm saying you're not one.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 06:13 PM Post #197
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I'm as confused as Obama. :wacko:



Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 06:47 PM Post #198
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	hmmmm i alrdy lost track of this debat when dl said muslim is as insulting as whore.... reads again oke, the rest was rubbish anyways. Muslim isn't as insulting as whore.... muslim isn't even an insult



DragonLegend	Dec 3 2008, 06:52 PM Post #199
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	She meant it as an insult, since it's pretty obvious I'm not a Muslim.



MxDiane	Dec 3 2008, 07:45 PM Post #200
Worteltjes World Posts: 10,700 Group: Pegasus Member #3 Joined: December 13, 2007	you're obviously in denial. nvm, DL. you'll never see the light. just stay in your little darkhole and maybe f off if you'd like to, as you said, and as you please, thankyou.
	"He orders something unusual, like a Black Russian or a Tom Collins, and when you request a beer he says that surely a complex woman deserves a complex drink. " - Travis Grandt


Supervizor	Dec 3 2008, 08:10 PM Post #201
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	it can only be a insult if you consider "muslim" an insult. So why do you consider muslim to be an insult?



Big Richard	Dec 3 2008, 08:58 PM Post #202
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Okay just cause he's bahraini or whatever the fuck he is, doens't mean he's muslim, if his entire family for generations were muslim, he doesn't have to be, he can be christian if fucking wanted to. You're generalizing. Also, dragon if you're religeous that makes humans a new creature and not an animal? Humans are animals but with advanced brains we are so far ahead of animals around us that we tend to not consider us one of them. But if you look at the definition of an animal you can understand we are one of them because of our structure not because of our behavior and advancement. Humans if were starving to the brink of death lose their morals and do whatever it takes to survive. We have morals to others like us because they, like yourself, are hurt when certain things happen so you understand "This is bad" but to other animals we don't care cause we need to eat them to survive or because we can't understand how it is for them. There are exceptions such as PETA and that bull shit but as advanced as humans are there are always ignorant people.



UnknownCow	Dec 3 2008, 09:49 PM Post #203
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 12:42 PM UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 02:56 AM Supervizor Dec 3 2008, 02:01 AM UnknownCow Dec 3 2008, 01:07 AM Supervizor Dec 2 2008, 10:29 PM nay, you come barging in and ask us to explain moral: when we reply you want jus to further explain.. and explain.. While its so obvious for us. That annoys and so we ask, what are you doing here anyways? you ask one of those questions that don't have a "fixed" answer. You can't explain this question with how you want it to be answered. Its not all facts you know :S, people do have feelings (like empathy). a rock falls to the ground if i pick it up and drop it: why? fact: gravity people give to charity: why? feeling: cz they want to help others so perhaps (this is going to sound shocking) you should stop worrying about this, accept people have feelings and learn what they are and THEN start thinking about what is wrong and right for YOU as a person and for people around you. Maybe then you can become a better person. waisted breath Better? Hahaha. Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes: really, wtf is that suppose to mean :P. As i said, people have certain emotions. You seem unable to recognise them so imma help you. "Once again you rely upon terms from your own set presupositions. :rolleyes:" thats a fine example of arrogance. Now don't be alarmed when i say this is a bad emotion. Dw, you can grow out of it. but sure, why not. Imma go with you. You seem to believe (a part) of the human race does not have ethics/morals. But stop keeping us in the dark and be specific. tell us what happend to you that indicates that assumption. This is not arrogance, it is fact. You say maybe I'll better myself. When you don't believe in objective good than better means absolutely nothing, and assumes one would want to be "better" in your eyes. I never said I think some people are devoid of subjective ethics, I have said hat because they are so drsticaly different from the classical ones that i can be said a man is devoid of morals. This is not true, if one only believes in subjective ethics. some "goods" are universal. Helping people in need, no matter how "subjective" you find this, is good. Simple and true. Do you ever help other people (those who are really in need, not some twat from ur school who forgot to do his homework)? - we still have morals like those in the classicial age. We still stick with our family, murder and rape is still not allowed. What are you even talking about :S, our morals aren't THAT subjective. They change a bit over time, cause WE LEARN :o:O:O. People nowadays for example (in europe atleast) find even the rape of people in foreign countries bad. We call that education... Our morals didn't change but they improved imo. But give me one example wherein: classic vs nowadays where the classical time was genuinely better. I'm not talking about any specific group of people, what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong in the subjective model if I kill, rape, steal, mug, commit adultry, or any other evil. You honestly don't understand this do you? In order for something to become better there needs to be a set scale. 2 is greater than one. However, subjectively, charity is no better than murder. It is not a matter of "classical vrs nowadays" it is a matter of subjective vrs objective law. @GS, no. That was not my point at all. I believe in objective law. What I was showing was that you can't say anything is good or bad if you believe in subjective law. Accordingly, it is not "bad" that its stops evolution. Who can say that is bad?



gs	Dec 3 2008, 10:06 PM Post #204
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	some people do, which makes it subjective law changed over time, every tiny aspect of it, how can it be objective?



Supervizor	Dec 4 2008, 12:17 AM Post #205
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	"I'm not talking about any specific group of people, what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong in the subjective model if I kill, rape, steal, mug, commit adultry, or any other evil." i must be understanding wrong... refrase perhaps, it almost sounds like ur implying murdering isn't "wrong" cz that is subjective... "You honestly don't understand this do you? In order for something to become better there needs to be a set scale. 2 is greater than one. However, subjectively, charity is no better than murder. It is not a matter of "classical vrs nowadays" it is a matter of subjective vrs objective law." :D:D ofc there is a scale.... From 1 to 10 with good being 10, 0 being evil and 5 being neutral, murder is 0 and saving somebody is 10. That scale has been around for a few years now, like since mankind existed. We survived CAUSE of empathy, cause we didn't kill eachother but united against animals. Thats a oficial theory on how mankind came to be btw.... Doesn't the fact that it has exsisted for so long alrdy implies its objective? what more proof do you need... And yes, some people do not share these morals. But the vast majority DOES however. btw, i do understand. I understand your arguments but since they are so rubbish im trying to make you understand... maybe you should look at my arguments? ur arguing to argue, to keep going on and on. But where is that point for you where you say: "oke, this is getting useless" or "hey, ur right". It doesn't exsist for you and that makes debatting so annoying. The constant dragging on and on.



gs	Dec 4 2008, 12:25 AM Post #206
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Supervizor Dec 4 2008, 01:17 AM And yes, some people do not share these morals. But the vast majority DOES however. even if 1 in a billion people would disagree, that immediately proves it's subjective... on something that's objective, you couldn't disagree even if you wanted to, because it's fact. like the fact that water consists of oxygen and hydroxide :P something that's universally accepted is still subjective. objective facts don't need to be universally accepted, because they're true no matter what people think or say.



Supervizor	Dec 4 2008, 12:32 AM Post #207
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	so i make 1 million toaster. One is defective. Therefor, toasters are a risk. In theory this is true. But its so incredible stupid to work like this in your mind. So why would anybody even want to start thinking that way... 999.999 toasters work, imma get me a toaster and make OP bread while you guys are worrying about the risk. Same goes for this entire debat really. the vast majority believes in these morals, so they are in my eyes true and good. Therefor, we should follow them. And since most of these morals are unchanged throughout human history i consider them to be a dead set objective truth. So if a few people do not share these morals, i can live with that. Acceptable error marge i think its called...... And if you guys go all philosphicial on me and see these morals as subjective, then thats with me. Seem like a useless waiste of time to me. But god forbid we actually discuss something fun teehee.



UnknownCow	Dec 4 2008, 12:45 AM Post #208
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Wow.. You realy don't get it...



gs	Dec 4 2008, 12:48 AM Post #209
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	@vizor maybe in the future we will find ourselves in a situation where we have to change certain morals that were considered objective by a large amount of people. it's like the US constitution, it "can't be changed" because it's all "objective law". and now that it has to be changed, now that many people can finally see the danger of for example the right to bear arms, people who think like you (sure, more extreme but like you nonetheless) are in the way. and cow, i don't get you either your point in this whole discussion was that if you believe in subjective law, you can't say something is good or bad? .... true, you can't say something IS good or bad, but you can give your OPINION... i don't believe in objective law, but i still think murder is a terrible crime... is that really all you were saying?



Supervizor	Dec 4 2008, 12:50 AM Post #210
Major Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: June 5, 2008	maybe in the future... im living in the present, and thats all im saying ;P. right to bear arms and raping aren't exactly comparable.



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