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In God We Trust
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 30 2009, 07:12 PM (5,929 Views)
Incog	Aug 14 2009, 10:34 PM Post #301
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	UnknownCow Aug 14 2009, 10:02 PM Incy Aug 14 2009, 08:20 PM religion is a fad richard ;/ Incy, every time I've talked with you you've displayed beliefs common to the particular form of New Atheism. I believe in a religion that goes back for thousands of years, developed in liturgy and literature, defined more precicesly every year, yet true to it's early self. If anything is a fad..... Yea but it wasn't the same thing before, in fact it didn't exist. You hear of people converting themselves, people starting to believe, people stopping. Is it cooler to be Protestant or Catholic? Orthodox? Before that people believed in Zeus and stuff. What happened to the Greeks? They go to hell or sth because they didn't know of God? People change on their wims, so to me it's a fad. New Atheism? Old atheism? What's the difference. I don't even know lmao. It's hilarious that there are even types of atheism now, it's like religious people are trying to put tags on that too. xD
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DragonLegend	Aug 14 2009, 10:36 PM Post #302
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Whenever Incog's having one of his anti-religious rants, I immediately think of a stupid, angry teenager.



Vondongo	Aug 14 2009, 10:51 PM Post #303
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Incy Aug 14 2009, 10:34 PM UnknownCow Aug 14 2009, 10:02 PM Incy Aug 14 2009, 08:20 PM religion is a fad richard ;/ Incy, every time I've talked with you you've displayed beliefs common to the particular form of New Atheism. I believe in a religion that goes back for thousands of years, developed in liturgy and literature, defined more precicesly every year, yet true to it's early self. If anything is a fad..... Yea but it wasn't the same thing before, in fact it didn't exist. You hear of people converting themselves, people starting to believe, people stopping. Is it cooler to be Protestant or Catholic? Orthodox? Before that people believed in Zeus and stuff. What happened to the Greeks? They go to hell or sth because they didn't know of God? People change on their wims, so to me it's a fad. Atheism is mostly a fad too considering how many people who don't even understand it also follow it. All religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are basically followed the same way because of how many morons who follow any of them in a blind and fickle matter.



Ichigo1uk	Aug 15 2009, 12:40 AM Post #304
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Adams Aug 14 2009, 10:13 PM Heaney it is rather uncalled for to bring my name into this. It's a fucking party man, welcome to the thread.
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


_Saladin_	Aug 15 2009, 03:48 AM Post #305
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	How do you follow atheism? How can you follow a lack of something? This pisses me off to no end. Do you follow aleprechaunism(Don't even know if that's a word, but you get the point)? Stop treating it like an ideology.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 15 2009, 04:21 AM Post #306
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Lol you can't follow atheism, it doesn't make sense.
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Big Richard	Aug 15 2009, 06:17 AM Post #307
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	yeah and then I checked other sources and it said what you said, 90% but they counted atheism, so in truth, its still 70-80%. Which is a huge difference because 10% of 300 million is 30 million more people who you thought were infact religious, when they weren't. the more you try to cover up your own ignorance the more of a hypocrite you make of yourself, "I didn't say 90% of America is religious", I showed you quote, "8% isn't a big difference" "Big richard get your numbers right its 3-4k troops not 5k" seriously dude, do you ever admit you make a mistake?



Big Richard	Aug 15 2009, 06:20 AM Post #308
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	atheism is not a fucking religion, its meant to say "I don't believe in shit" if you dont believe in something, its not a religion. Lack of belief or do not believe, its all not-believing.



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 07:06 AM Post #309
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Redemption Aug 14 2009, 10:51 PM Incy Aug 14 2009, 10:34 PM UnknownCow Aug 14 2009, 10:02 PM Incy Aug 14 2009, 08:20 PM religion is a fad richard ;/ Incy, every time I've talked with you you've displayed beliefs common to the particular form of New Atheism. I believe in a religion that goes back for thousands of years, developed in liturgy and literature, defined more precicesly every year, yet true to it's early self. If anything is a fad..... Yea but it wasn't the same thing before, in fact it didn't exist. You hear of people converting themselves, people starting to believe, people stopping. Is it cooler to be Protestant or Catholic? Orthodox? Before that people believed in Zeus and stuff. What happened to the Greeks? They go to hell or sth because they didn't know of God? People change on their wims, so to me it's a fad. Atheism is mostly a fad too considering how many people who don't even understand it also follow it. All religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are basically followed the same way because of how many morons who follow any of them in a blind and fickle matter. Ok maybe, I know that in my personal case I used to believe in God when I was a kid. When I grew older (around the same age as I realised that Santa was a h4x), I just stopped believing because it just didn't seem to fit the picture for me. But people need to stop make atheism a type of religion, or belief. It really isn't. Saying atheism is a religion is like saying not collecting post stamps is a hobby. I recognise that some people are truly devoted to their beliefs; good for them. But some will just believe because of the bandwagon, stop believing when they can, or just convert themselves to another religion because it seems cooler. I mean, who is right? The Catholic? The Buddhist? How can only one religion be right, and how can one be sure that it is legit? Because if one is right, then all the others are wrong. So who's the legit? How can you tell? Unless they're all wrong? Give the world 100 or 200 years, you'll see that the number of religious people will decline a lot. Imo what causes the current decline is nothing more or less than education. ;/ THOUGH, I have to hand it to some of you guys here, at least you don't try to shove your beliefs in everyone's face like some (dangerous) idiots do. This being the case I feel it's better to rest my case, as I have made it clear where I stand on these matters. If every religious person were as rational as say Redemption, gotta say the world would be a better place. Isn't the case though. I guess that sometimes when you see idiots like Dragon posting something you just want to disagree with it for the fuck of it, even if he's half right and not 100% wrong, simply because he's a dick. Even I fell for it. That's why people like Dragon are those dumb people who will rile everyone and start conflicts. They're bad, negative people imo. The best way to counter them is to ignore them. I don't mind people who disagree, I mind people who can't agree to disagree peacefully. That's probably why the idiot has been banned from all those other boards. Already 2 out of the 4 admins already want him banned here lmao. ^^ But being the OP admins we are, we won't. ;/ Edited by Incog, Aug 15 2009, 07:10 AM.
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Big Richard	Aug 15 2009, 07:27 AM Post #310
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	One of the fundamentle problems I have with relgion in America is the fact that, voters here in America take religion as a key factor in who they'll vote for, not even caring about their policies or education, but rather if they believe in the same BS (imo) as them. I mean even Obama had to become Christian in order to gain the popular vote in America. This is rediculous, Americans would vote for a black guy not because of his policies, but because he would be the first, Americans would vote for a woman, not because of her policies but because she would be the first. Does anyone in America take into consideration the qualities of a candidate that really matter when voting? Whether the candidate is atheist or christian, black or white, man or woman will not affect how they run the country and should never be the sole reason why someone votes. But sadly, it is what attracts the decisions made by most of the voters.



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 07:56 AM Post #311
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	That is a flawed problem. ^^"
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Ichigo1uk	Aug 15 2009, 08:03 AM Post #312
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Big Richard Aug 15 2009, 06:20 AM atheism is not a fucking religion, its meant to say "I don't believe in shit" if you dont believe in something, its not a religion. Lack of belief or do not believe, its all not-believing. But you follow it like a religion.... Btw Ryker said 90% were christian first not dragon. Quit falsely accusing him.
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Incog	Aug 15 2009, 08:10 AM Post #313
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	You don't follow atheism, atheism is not following anything.
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Big Richard	Aug 15 2009, 08:13 AM Post #314
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	"ryker said it first!!" I quoted dragon saying it so what are you talking about ichi



Ichigo1uk	Aug 15 2009, 08:20 AM Post #315
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Big Richard Aug 15 2009, 08:13 AM "ryker said it first!!" I quoted dragon saying it so what are you talking about ichi Thing is Ryker used it first and dragon might of just picked it up from there. You can't falsely lay everything on dragon just because your debating with him.
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Ichigo1uk	Aug 15 2009, 08:21 AM Post #316
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Incy Aug 15 2009, 08:10 AM You don't follow atheism, atheism is not following anything. Doesn't mean you have the right to deny other people their right to religion.
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Big Richard	Aug 15 2009, 08:25 AM Post #317
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Ichigo1uk Aug 15 2009, 08:21 AM Incy Aug 15 2009, 08:10 AM You don't follow atheism, atheism is not following anything. Doesn't mean you have the right to deny other people their right to religion. that just completely changes the subject incog was talking about lol also, if dragon picks up his statistics from ryker, a source even more unreliable than wikipedia, then I truly have been wasting my time



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 11:03 AM Post #318
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Ichigo1uk Aug 15 2009, 08:21 AM Incy Aug 15 2009, 08:10 AM You don't follow atheism, atheism is not following anything. Doesn't mean you have the right to deny other people their right to religion. I don't deny it, fag, I mock it.
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Vondongo	Aug 15 2009, 12:08 PM Post #319
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 15 2009, 03:48 AM How do you follow atheism? How can you follow a lack of something? This pisses me off to no end. Do you follow aleprechaunism(Don't even know if that's a word, but you get the point)? Stop treating it like an ideology. I use the term "follow" because atheism is starting to become like a religion unto itself for a lot of people. Not ALL people. But a lot of them.



Vondongo	Aug 15 2009, 12:14 PM Post #320
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Big Richard Aug 15 2009, 07:27 AM One of the fundamentle problems I have with relgion in America is the fact that, voters here in America take religion as a key factor in who they'll vote for, not even caring about their policies or education, but rather if they believe in the same BS (imo) as them. I mean even Obama had to become Christian in order to gain the popular vote in America. This is rediculous, Americans would vote for a black guy not because of his policies, but because he would be the first, Americans would vote for a woman, not because of her policies but because she would be the first. Does anyone in America take into consideration the qualities of a candidate that really matter when voting? Whether the candidate is atheist or christian, black or white, man or woman will not affect how they run the country and should never be the sole reason why someone votes. But sadly, it is what attracts the decisions made by most of the voters. I actually see your point here and you're right. There's a lot of people who vote for politicians solely for moral and religious issues, but I think that's a stupid thing to vote for as well. Unfortunately a lot of Americans are also under the impression that people of other religions might be extremists (A Muslim who sympathizes with insurgents, or a Jew who's an extreme Zionist) or might try to fight against religion and other people's religious paths (Like an atheist or agnostic with strong convictions). This is very rarely the case but the fear it causes for Americans makes them vote for people for what should be incredibly stupid reasons. I mean I myself would rather have a religious Christian running the country than say, an atheist if they had otherwise similar policies. But if the atheist's policies were better...I'd be tempted vote for them instead.



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 12:17 PM Post #321
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Redemption Aug 15 2009, 12:08 PM _Saladin_ Aug 15 2009, 03:48 AM How do you follow atheism? How can you follow a lack of something? This pisses me off to no end. Do you follow aleprechaunism(Don't even know if that's a word, but you get the point)? Stop treating it like an ideology. I use the term "follow" because atheism is starting to become like a religion unto itself for a lot of people. Not ALL people. But a lot of them. Then those people are dumb nubs. ;/
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Vondongo	Aug 15 2009, 12:25 PM Post #322
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Incy Aug 15 2009, 12:17 PM Redemption Aug 15 2009, 12:08 PM _Saladin_ Aug 15 2009, 03:48 AM How do you follow atheism? How can you follow a lack of something? This pisses me off to no end. Do you follow aleprechaunism(Don't even know if that's a word, but you get the point)? Stop treating it like an ideology. I use the term "follow" because atheism is starting to become like a religion unto itself for a lot of people. Not ALL people. But a lot of them. Then those people are dumb nubs. ;/ And they are. I have no animosity towards atheists who respect other people's beliefs and have for themselves a sensible self-argument for their lack of belief in God. What I don't respect at all are sheep who read what the science books du jour tell them and follow them literally like gospel, doubting nothing that they've been told. It's not like they are taking what they see at face value for scientific purposes, but rather because that it's never crossed their minds that they could be wrong about even one thing and harbor no skepticism. At the same time, I cannot stand drum-beating dogmatic religious people who don't actually figure out their beliefs for themselves and blindly follow what their parents told them or what their church tells them. They never consider that any of their theology could possibly be wrong, once again not because they've thoroughly considered everything and deemed it to be correct, but because they just never cared to look at any of it in-depth.



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 12:53 PM Post #323
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Basically stupid people are bad. Imo we should kill all stupid people.
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Goodsbee	Aug 15 2009, 02:32 PM Post #324
life is grand :) Posts: 5,199 Group: A414A Member Member #105 Joined: July 20, 2008	does that include ignorance or just stupidity?



Incog	Aug 15 2009, 02:38 PM Post #325
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	just stupidity, everyone is ignorant anyway
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 15 2009, 02:40 PM Post #326
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	The Incy bincy spider climbed up the water spout. Down came the lava, and killed the spider out.
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Incog	Aug 15 2009, 02:51 PM Post #327
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	How witty. You just made that?
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 15 2009, 03:08 PM Post #328
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	No, planned it for 3 years
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UnknownCow	Aug 15 2009, 03:24 PM Post #329
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Incy Aug 14 2009, 10:34 PM UnknownCow Aug 14 2009, 10:02 PM Incy Aug 14 2009, 08:20 PM religion is a fad richard ;/ Incy, every time I've talked with you you've displayed beliefs common to the particular form of New Atheism. I believe in a religion that goes back for thousands of years, developed in liturgy and literature, defined more precicesly every year, yet true to it's early self. If anything is a fad..... Yea but it wasn't the same thing before, in fact it didn't exist. You hear of people converting themselves, people starting to believe, people stopping. Is it cooler to be Protestant or Catholic? Orthodox? Before that people believed in Zeus and stuff. What happened to the Greeks? They go to hell or sth because they didn't know of God? People change on their wims, so to me it's a fad. New Atheism? Old atheism? What's the difference. I don't even know lmao. It's hilarious that there are even types of atheism now, it's like religious people are trying to put tags on that too. xD Thankfully and happily it seems most things were cleared up in my absense, so I can make this short. I don't believe people who had never heard of Christ wil nessesarily go to Hell, there is such a thing as Baptism of desire. New Atheism isn't some religous tag, it is only a term that caracterizes the modern popular Atheism fronted by Dawkins, Hitchens, heck in it's crudest form Bill Mauher. This term simply seems to chategorize your world view better than that you are an atheist alone.



DragonLegend	Aug 15 2009, 03:51 PM Post #330
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 15 2009, 06:17 AM yeah and then I checked other sources and it said what you said, 90% but they counted atheism, so in truth, its still 70-80%. Which is a huge difference because 10% of 300 million is 30 million more people who you thought were infact religious, when they weren't. the more you try to cover up your own ignorance the more of a hypocrite you make of yourself, "I didn't say 90% of America is religious", I showed you quote, "8% isn't a big difference" "Big richard get your numbers right its 3-4k troops not 5k" seriously dude, do you ever admit you make a mistake? Dumbass, do you know the difference between being religious and being Christian? And here's another question for ya: Which is bigger, %25 or %8?



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