UnknownCow

Aug 12 2009, 02:26 AM

Lolz take your backwater 19th century influenced history elsewhere.

You're logic is weak. There is no reason radio stations don't have the right to broadcast whatever kind of music they think could have a viewer base. The radio isn't public property, and if it was it's purpose is for entertainment, and if the public majority wants Christian music, than a public radio which needs to market to it's viewers will play Christian music.

Ichigo1uk

Aug 12 2009, 03:06 AM

Man invented religion...

Therefore man has slowed itself down not religion.

Big Richard

Aug 12 2009, 02:21 AM

my logic is fine, but I also have a certain prejudice against religion that shows behind it.

Incy

Aug 12 2009, 10:41 AM

Imo ban man.

Hyperactive Jam

Aug 12 2009, 04:07 AM

Ichigo1uk

Aug 12 2009, 03:06 AM

Man invented religion...

Therefore man has slowed itself down not religion.

*head explodes

Big Richard

Aug 12 2009, 02:29 AM

UnknownCow

Aug 12 2009, 02:26 AM

Lolz take your backwater 19th century influenced history elsewhere.

You're logic is weak. There is no reason radio stations don't have the right to broadcast whatever kind of music they think could have a viewer base. The radio isn't public property, and if it was it's purpose is for entertainment, and if the public majority wants Christian music, than a public radio which needs to market to it's viewers will play Christian music.

please, find me where I said that.

19th century influenced history elsewhere? please tell me what religion has contributed (materialistically) to society besides countless, and I mean countless wars, extermination of societies and books of knowledge, stunting the growth of science and much more.

Big Richard

Aug 12 2009, 03:52 PM

lol ichi are you like some 12 year old that cries when they find out life's a bitch?


"destoyer of hope, crusher of dreams" rofl omg

Big Richard

Aug 13 2009, 02:58 AM

bye sal have a good one

religion doesn't cause wars? just to name a few.. the crusades, the constant fighting between israel and its neighbors, pakistan and india, etc. Almost every single war in the early days was because of religious differences, thats why separation of church and state was such a big deal, because it was a solution.

I dont see how priests can contribute to science other than in medical science, but other than that there were lots of events such as extermination of libraries full of books of knowledge and all that, they were burned because the pope/church ordered them to be because they went against the church's beliefs.

you can say that these actions were of fault to the leaders at the time of the day, but they were merely following what they were instructed to do. Even today, with science becomming ever more greater, especially with discoveries such as the "god" particle, church's and what not try to protest it and say that science has gone too far.

if religion was gone, the rennaisance would've happened far earlier, and the technological advancements that would arrise would be only possible in our imaginations in today's world where people are still in the out-dated belief that god made everything.

UnknownCow

Aug 13 2009, 04:56 AM

Big Richard

Aug 13 2009, 02:58 AM

bye sal have a good one

religion doesn't cause wars? just to name a few.. the crusades, the constant fighting between israel and its neighbors, pakistan and india, etc. Almost every single war in the early days was because of religious differences, thats why separation of church and state was such a big deal, because it was a solution.

I dont see how priests can contribute to science other than in medical science, but other than that there were lots of events such as extermination of libraries full of books of knowledge and all that, they were burned because the pope/church ordered them to be because they went against the church's beliefs.

you can say that these actions were of fault to the leaders at the time of the day, but they were merely following what they were instructed to do. Even today, with science becomming ever more greater, especially with discoveries such as the "god" particle, church's and what not try to protest it and say that science has gone too far.

if religion was gone, the rennaisance would've happened far earlier, and the technological advancements that would arrise would be only possible in our imaginations in today's world where people are still in the out-dated belief that god made everything.

Lolz I'm sorry Rich, but you dissapoint.

@First paragraph:

Dude you totaly missed the point, go back to my post and try and reread.

@Second Paragraph:

Smells like a teen's ignorance. Hey maybe that could be a song title. Priests have devoted a huge amount to astronomy. It was a Jesuit who developed Big Bang atronomy.

@Paragraph Tres:

Guess what, it doesn't matter if individual churches say that. It has no bearings on me whatsoever.

@Fourth Paragraph:

Yay unbacked assumptions! Guess what the renaissance was sparked by recovered manuscripts from the east after the Crusades, the Church didn't supress any renaissance at all. The renaissance as we know it was a direct product of something irrelevent of the Church meaning you can't blame it's timing on it. Guess what, Pagan Rome collapsed! The medieval church united Europe, the Church's highest point was in the high middle-ages because it just finished bringing Europe out of civil darkness.

Adams

Aug 12 2009, 11:44 PM

IF religeon wasnt around people would probably find anothere excuse to kill each other.

Incy

Aug 13 2009, 07:44 AM

Adams

Aug 12 2009, 11:44 PM

IF religeon wasnt around people would probably find anothere excuse to kill each other.

At least it would be something more understandable.

Ichigo1uk

Aug 13 2009, 03:01 AM

Big Richard

Aug 12 2009, 03:52 PM

lol ichi are you like some 12 year old that cries when they find out life's a bitch?


"destoyer of hope, crusher of dreams" rofl omg

I find that so ironic i think i might just crawl into a corner and cry, an experience your no doubt familiar with.

Big Richard

Aug 13 2009, 05:32 AM

you should look into this:

"The Coming of the Dark Ages

However when we get to the early 700’s AD life begins to change drastically: coinage disappears, artisans are forced to give up their trades and go back to living on the land, books disappear, schools close, the roads and aqueducts and other infrastructure are no longer maintained and the standard of living throughout the Roman world begins to decline sharply.

What happened? The answer is quite simple. This was when the Islamic armies began their war against the West. Starting in the late 600’s AD these armies invaded Egypt, North Africa and the old Fertile Crescent area. With them they not only brought Islam they also brought practices, which resulted in economic catastrophe for the entire region from which it has never recovered even to this day.

Roman, Egyptian and Persian agricultural practices were destroyed in most of the conquered territories. As a result food production plummeted and ancient agribusiness was replaced by subsistence farming. Cities were abandoned as their inhabitants were forced back on to the land in order to avoid starvation. The Fertile Crescent area of Iraq and Iran suffered particularly harshly as the loss of the old technology, especially well planned irrigation works, resulted in the use of crude methods of irrigation, which led to the contamination of the Tigris – Euphrates Basin through salt percolation and turned it into the barren desert seen today."

As you can see, the wars ignited by religion create all sorts of consequences that would slow down the progress of europe. here's a bit more:

"The other economic killer was the Islamic destruction of the old overland trading system. In the ancient world there had been large scale foreign trade extending from China to Britain. The Islamic refusal to deal with the “Infidels” led to the decline of this trade and the destruction of the second most important component of the ancient economy: trade with India, China, Persia, Egypt and the other advanced economic centers of the ancient world. This trade did not recover until the Age of Exploration when Europeans discovered how to sail around the Islamic barrier to foreign trade."

"infidels" were the names given to those who did not follow islam, once again, religion slowing down man kind.

I'm sure with more research I can find many more examples and you can find many more examples of how the church "saved" people, or how it brought "advancement" but the truth is this arguing is not going to accomplish anything other than time wasted. Especially since we both have very strong opinions and neither is going to change each others.