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In God We Trust
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UnknownCow	Aug 13 2009, 02:39 PM Post #241
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Lazurath Aug 13 2009, 10:56 AM WTF was that Richard? The Muslims WERE the fucking economy powerhouse of the Early Middle Ages. That article is simply beating up Islam whilst also attacking religion itself. Hoorah for Laz! Someone who does know history!



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 13 2009, 02:40 PM Post #242
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Well I never recall the spread of Islam throughout Africa and the Middle East being the cause of the downfall of the Roman Empire. I thought that was the barbarians from Northern Europe.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


UnknownCow	Aug 13 2009, 02:41 PM Post #243
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Incy Aug 13 2009, 07:44 AM Adams Aug 12 2009, 11:44 PM IF religeon wasnt around people would probably find anothere excuse to kill each other. At least it would be something more understandable. Nonesense, if anything what could be more understandable than to fight to protect eternal truth?



UnknownCow	Aug 13 2009, 02:42 PM Post #244
Lieutenant Posts: 381 Group: Member Member #131 Joined: October 22, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 13 2009, 02:40 PM Well I never recall the spread of Islam throughout Africa and the Middle East being the cause of the downfall of the Roman Empire. I thought that was the barbarians from Northern Europe. =)



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 05:18 PM Post #245
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	no that article is just an article where the author believed that arabs were the true cause of the dark ages instead of the common knowledge of it being the collapse of Rome. The point of the article is the parts in bold, and even if the arabs didn't do that, other churches/religions or whatever did. I dont know what you consider recover, but in all the history books I've read its been said that the christian culture of that era strictly opposed variety in music and art, and did not like change or many scientifical advancements. The whole dream of the christian culture at that era was to keep man exactly how it was and to blindly follow something that does not exist. You can never say religion doesn't cause wars, because there have been thousands of religions, and thousands of wars because of them. Just because you BELIEVE your religion didn't start anything doesn't mean religion as a whole didn't. I can be convinced thats why I said true about the astronomy thing cause it has good basis, my perception of history is fine because I am 8 and understand most of the history of the dark ages. The things I overlook is the shit about Jesuits which I did not care about so I did not bother to study.



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 05:36 PM Post #246
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	And with that post, I now consider you officially worse at debating than Dragon. Congratulations.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 05:44 PM Post #247
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	of course if he mentions jesuits in a debate, I then look it up. I meant that before this debate I didn't research jesuits and crap. Redemption stop being so biased against me just because I dont like religion. It's funny how you guys don't critisize incog when he types something like "I think all religion should be banned" also ultra, it wasn't the arabs that brought downfall of Rome, it was the germanic barbarians so you're right about that, but the article is saying that after the germanic barbarians moved in they didn't change much of roman life for 250 years until the arabs launched their campaign, which is his opinion of how the dark ages started. That's not what I think, but either way it proves a point.



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 05:48 PM Post #248
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Redemption Aug 13 2009, 05:36 PM And with that post, I now consider you officially worse at debating than Dragon. Congratulations. What?



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 05:59 PM Post #249
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 05:44 PM Redemption stop being so biased against me just because I dont like religion. It's funny how you guys don't critisize incog when he types something like "I think all religion should be banned" Do tell me where I said that I'm biased against you because you don't like religion. I'm not biased (and your religious views are irrelevant to my opinion), I just lack any respect for you in debates because you have a piss-poor attitude and your logic is flawed.



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 06:09 PM Post #250
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 13 2009, 05:48 PM Redemption Aug 13 2009, 05:36 PM And with that post, I now consider you officially worse at debating than Dragon. Congratulations. What? I meant what I said and I said what I meant: an elephant's faithful, one-hundred percent. The point of that being that I think you're an unwavering Republican loyalist. Now hey, you're entitled to your opinions and everything, but I've never seen you make one serious criticism of the Republican Party. If you have, go ahead and link me and I'll take that back. But aside from that...I really don't enjoy being a douche who says "This is how you debate!" but you just seem to have endless conversations with people, never willing to agree to disagree, and then as soon as someone hasn't responded, you act arrogant as if you've just won. There, I said it. So sue me.



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 06:17 PM Post #251
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Actually, I despise the Republican Party. I think it betrayed core conservative values and should go back to its conservative roots. I criticize it all the time. That's what we mostly do on conservative blogs; attack the GOP.



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 06:20 PM Post #252
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	I ask then, for a major criticism of a particular issue involving the GOP. Not just where it's leaning now, but what especially that it's done.



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 06:32 PM Post #253
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Okay, how about the fact that they gave us the weakest candidate on the ballot in 2008? McCain was a joke. Or the fact that they utterly destroyed Palin? Or the fact that they betrayed Bush? Or the fact that the Party's infested with RINOs (Republican In Name Only, basically means a leftist Republican)? I mean, I know those aren't exactly things that the GOP has done, but they're still reasons to oppose the Party. Who knows, maybe in 2010 conservatism will make a comeback and I'll be a Republican again. Edited by DragonLegend, Aug 13 2009, 06:58 PM.



Incog	Aug 13 2009, 06:52 PM Post #254
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Lmao Red's going to get that pointless debate to him too.
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 07:48 PM Post #255
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Redemption Aug 13 2009, 05:59 PM Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 05:44 PM Redemption stop being so biased against me just because I dont like religion. It's funny how you guys don't critisize incog when he types something like "I think all religion should be banned" Do tell me where I said that I'm biased against you because you don't like religion. I'm not biased (and your religious views are irrelevant to my opinion), I just lack any respect for you in debates because you have a piss-poor attitude and your logic is flawed. how do I have an attitude in my debates, its not like I'm dragon where I dont accept when I'm wrong. Nor is my logic flawed at all. I'm going to pretend I believe you when you say you don't care that I'm athiest and say I dont like religion.



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 07:48 PM Post #256
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 13 2009, 06:32 PM Okay, how about the fact that they gave us the weakest candidate on the ballot in 2008? McCain was a joke. Or the fact that they utterly destroyed Palin? Or the fact that they betrayed Bush? Or the fact that the Party's infested with RINOs (Republican In Name Only, basically means a leftist Republican)? I mean, I know those aren't exactly things that the GOP has done, but they're still reasons to oppose the Party. Who knows, maybe in 2010 conservatism will make a comeback and I'll be a Republican again. Sounds like you've got a fundamental issue with the Republican Party. Why remain Republican, then? Granted I still am too, by how I'm registered, but I've got no loyalty to the party itself. They've screwed up royally and the only way to get them back in line is to openly defy them. By ideology I'm libertarian, by the way. I'm only still technically a Republican because I can't be arsed to change my registration. But anyway, what's a particular issue that you've got a problem with for the GOP? Like a war, or the economy, etc.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 07:50 PM Post #257
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	republicans were cool back in the old days when there was a Federalist party



Jack the IV	Aug 13 2009, 07:51 PM Post #258
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	When you go socialist, you can't move forward. The lazy cunts hold you back. You have to cut the rope and leave them behind. It's how it works.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 07:54 PM Post #259
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	actually, there's different kinds of socialism just as there are different kinds of communism, many Americans fall for American propaganda and think that socialism is bad, but there are kinds of it that work, I can't really describe it but a good example would be like in x-yugoslavia



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 07:58 PM Post #260
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Redemption Aug 13 2009, 07:48 PM DragonLegend Aug 13 2009, 06:32 PM Okay, how about the fact that they gave us the weakest candidate on the ballot in 2008? McCain was a joke. Or the fact that they utterly destroyed Palin? Or the fact that they betrayed Bush? Or the fact that the Party's infested with RINOs (Republican In Name Only, basically means a leftist Republican)? I mean, I know those aren't exactly things that the GOP has done, but they're still reasons to oppose the Party. Who knows, maybe in 2010 conservatism will make a comeback and I'll be a Republican again. Sounds like you've got a fundamental issue with the Republican Party. Why remain Republican, then? Granted I still am too, by how I'm registered, but I've got no loyalty to the party itself. They've screwed up royally and the only way to get them back in line is to openly defy them. By ideology I'm libertarian, by the way. I'm only still technically a Republican because I can't be arsed to change my registration. But anyway, what's a particular issue that you've got a problem with for the GOP? Like a war, or the economy, etc. I'm no longer a Republican. The 2008 election was the final straw. The GOP is okay when it comes to national security and foreign policy, but when it comes to domestic issues, they're not much better than the Democratic Party. Spending and the economy are my main issues with the GOP.



Jack the IV	Aug 13 2009, 08:00 PM Post #261
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 07:54 PM actually, there's different kinds of socialism just as there are different kinds of communism, many Americans fall for American propaganda and think that socialism is bad, but there are kinds of it that work, I can't really describe it but a good example would be like in x-yugoslavia Companies need freedom to do whatever they want. If the people don't like the companies then the companies die, and new ones replace them. With the gov in control, everything gets corrupted because you don't need to please the people anymore.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 08:07 PM Post #262
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 07:48 PM Redemption Aug 13 2009, 05:59 PM Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 05:44 PM Redemption stop being so biased against me just because I dont like religion. It's funny how you guys don't critisize incog when he types something like "I think all religion should be banned" Do tell me where I said that I'm biased against you because you don't like religion. I'm not biased (and your religious views are irrelevant to my opinion), I just lack any respect for you in debates because you have a piss-poor attitude and your logic is flawed. how do I have an attitude in my debates, its not like I'm dragon where I dont accept when I'm wrong. Nor is my logic flawed at all. I'm going to pretend I believe you when you say you don't care that I'm athiest and say I dont like religion. Honestly, I really don't. As many atheists as there are, and as many antireligious people as there are, there's no reason whatsoever that I should care that you've got your religious opposition. Notice that I don't have a problem with the other atheists at this board. Wonder why that is? Want an example of the flaw in your logic? Go back to the radio discussion and your opposition of allowing Christian music on the radio because of how, in your words: Quote: IF ONLY A FEW RELIGION'S SONGS ARE GOING TO BE PLAYED, THEN NONE SHOULD BE PLAYED. So I explain that the stations legally have the choice of picking what songs to play because of demand by people to listen to them, which attracts listeners and thus advertisers. It's all about business, not promoting or favoring one religion above another. Unfortunately you didn't really seem to respond to that and continued your point as it was. Attitude problem? Here's an example: Quote: are you dislexic or something? do you know how to read? you called me an asshole because I believe that "IF ONLY A FEW RELIGION'S SONGS ARE GOING TO BE PLAYED, THEN NONE SHOULD BE PLAYED." here you go again blowing shit out of context, when I said assumptions I meant that dragon was sayin shit that I didn't say to make me look like an extremist. I didn't say anything you didn't say, you called me an asshole because of what I believed, and since there are others that believe the same, that would be calling all of them assholes read it slower if your head starts to hurt, you prick Alternately, if that's not good enough for you, refer to the thread where you became confrontational to me because of how I post at this forum, upon which you attempted to lay down internet rules that don't really exist. Not to mention you threw a fit in that thread. Maybe I'm too polite. But I find that getting all angry doesn't make a discussion anymore productive or civil than it'd be if otherwise.



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 08:17 PM Post #263
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 07:54 PM actually, there's different kinds of socialism just as there are different kinds of communism, many Americans fall for American propaganda and think that socialism is bad, but there are kinds of it that work, I can't really describe it but a good example would be like in x-yugoslavia Socialism doesn't work in the United States because we're arrogant and independent people and that's how we like it. That and we really hate the government and therefore don't trust them.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 08:51 PM Post #264
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	redemption that post where I said read it slower was meant for ichi because he doesn't argue he just stabs at people. also I didn't throw a fit in that other thread just because I type in caps doesn't mean I'm angry, I do that when you guys dont get a point I'm tryin to make. I LIKE KITTENS OMFG AHHHHHHHHHH GRRR!



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 08:52 PM Post #265
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I find kittens sexy.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 08:53 PM Post #266
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Jack the IV Aug 13 2009, 08:00 PM Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 07:54 PM actually, there's different kinds of socialism just as there are different kinds of communism, many Americans fall for American propaganda and think that socialism is bad, but there are kinds of it that work, I can't really describe it but a good example would be like in x-yugoslavia Companies need freedom to do whatever they want. If the people don't like the companies then the companies die, and new ones replace them. With the gov in control, everything gets corrupted because you don't need to please the people anymore. but if companies had no restrictions there'd be so many monopolies in America that google would control the entire U.S. and make their own private army, and then procede to take over the world



Vondongo	Aug 13 2009, 09:01 PM Post #267
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Big Richard Aug 13 2009, 08:51 PM redemption that post where I said read it slower was meant for ichi because he doesn't argue he just stabs at people. also I didn't throw a fit in that other thread just because I type in caps doesn't mean I'm angry, I do that when you guys dont get a point I'm tryin to make. I LIKE KITTENS OMFG AHHHHHHHHHH GRRR! Well that's fine and good about his posts, but notice I didn't lose my head over any conversation with him. And did I say that thread had anything to do with caps? When I argued my point, you became very confrontational about it. Quote: the difference was alot of people play xbox crap here so alot of people were talking, adams agreed with me so i'm not the only one if you just want to talk to redemption then just do that shit on msn, ever come to realize that your chats aren't interesting to anyone else other than you two? its like going in front of an audience and then just talking to a single person. i'm not complaining because i dont really give a shit, I'm just saying its really stupid its like when dragon posts stuff about politics, no one really cares and no your convos dont include everyone else, notice whenever you guys talk to each other the thread goes to two entire pages of you two responding directly to each other and then no one knows what the original topic was and doesn't post, killing the topic BUT WHO CARES JUST CONTINUE TALKING, I MEAN GOODSBEE IS HAVING FUN EVERYONE, HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHO AM I TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE ALL I DO IS COMPLAIN, I MEAN, RIGHT?! YEAHHHHHHH WOOOOOOOOOOO and redemption, just because we're talking through computers doesn't mean you don't have to show respect, you know, especially because the person on the other side of the screen is human. So if we ever meet up, I'll make sure we meet and bring a friend and then just completely ignore you and talk to my friend the entire time, but seeing how much fun it is here, you'll have no problem with that right? Quote: no you dumb fuck like i give a shit about your attention, retard, I'm saying a FORUM is about OPEN DISCUSSION, which means you make topics that you can discuss with a bunch of people. now if you want to talk to someone specifically, you use INSTANT MESSAGING. is it that hard to understand? Quote: yeah i have, and I never seen two people talk to each other only for so long in a forum you say you're 26 or whatever but you don't even know how forums are supposed to be used properly so fuck off besides why are you continuing this, I told you idc, was just bringing up a point so if you really dont care what I think then stfu If you talk like that when you're not angry, people will laugh at you. In fact if you talk like that period, people will laugh at you.



DarkAngel	Aug 13 2009, 09:07 PM Post #268
Captain Posts: 501 Group: A414A Member Member #160 Joined: June 16, 2009	Indeed socialism doesn't work in America because of the 'values' you put in things there. And you being arrogant and selfish as well. BECAUSE YOU CANT LET THE MONEY GO. Indeed, you pay VERY small taxes which you can just choose to not pay even. Look at Finland. We pay 14-51%(yes, you didn't misread) taxes, but we have totally free healthcare, schools and stuff. We also get money from the state if we don't have a job or are kicked out. Different bonuses from childbonus to pensions from that 14%. We got top students and listen mainstream to metal music. What more can you ask for? And that all with about 30% of the people voting for different socialist parties. So stfu about things you have no clue of and have never experianced yourself please. You American kids.



DragonLegend	Aug 13 2009, 09:19 PM Post #269
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	DarkAngel Aug 13 2009, 09:07 PM Indeed socialism doesn't work in America because of the 'values' you put in things there. And you being arrogant and selfish as well. BECAUSE YOU CANT LET THE MONEY GO. Indeed, you pay VERY small taxes which you can just choose to not pay even. Look at Finland. We pay 14-51%(yes, you didn't misread) taxes, but we have totally free healthcare, schools and stuff. We also get money from the state if we don't have a job or are kicked out. Different bonuses from childbonus to pensions from that 14%. We got top students and listen mainstream to metal music. What more can you ask for? And that all with about 30% of the people voting for different socialist parties. So stfu about things you have no clue of and have never experianced yourself please. You American kids. Looks like someone is a nanny-state progressive.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2009, 09:23 PM Post #270
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	exactly, it works in other countries why can't it work in America? I'll tell you why, because we're afraid of change even though the rofltards voted for a president who promised exactly that, change. redemption the first large quote I didn't care, and then you starting sayin shit about like I wanted your attention or whatever, so I just did it back. I don't start fights, I just end them. Even when I tried to end that your feelings were hurt so you started continuing the discussion. The fuck I care what people think of me, they can laugh all they want, I'll go in front of the president and say "fuckidy fuck fuck", the hell does it matter. besides you talk about my logic whereas I had a very good point in that post. I didn't talk about internet rules, I just talked about common sense and knowing how to use something. Do you take a hammer to drill in a screw? No, so why use a forum to talk to one person. you didn't lose your head, good job, I don't know about you but if someone calls you a dumbass for no reason, I'm going to say shit back.



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