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| Big Richard | Sep 4 2009, 05:06 PM Post #451 |
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lol yes there were kenyan soldiers fighting too. that just shows who was against hitler and who was neutral, not who was actually fighting. the statistic I showed you shows how efficient the Germans were, even with less manpower, it also shows how fast russia's man power and resources would diminish, russia had to give every pair of soldiers only one gun, and the other guy had to follow that soldier till he died so then he can pick up the gun, saying their resources would out last germany's is kind of out of place. anyway, germany lost the air once america got involved, british airways were bombed all to hell so they couldn't get a plane in the sky, nor could the luftwaffe enter britain airspace easily because the AA guns, so it was kind of a stalemate, until America came in thats when Britain was free from germany at its doorstep. You can say America was like a distraction. what are you talking about? it took America and some few allies 1 year to liberate france, and italy, and belgium, and all the other countries around germany before finally hitting berlin. I didn't say france was the only one with resistance, but its the one we helped, and the one that sealed the western front. and whoops I had my idea of that area wrong, I thought UK was just a bit northwest of germany. Nvm about the north thing, but he can't go north anyway because its just waterrrr. China was under civil war in 1937 and that is when japan's invasion of China began, long before Europe was involved in the war, with China's collapsed dynasty, and civil war, it was easy for japan to seize each city with little or no resistance, after Hitler invaded poland, japan picked up its strikes and hit harder, China was losing the war, but then America got involved with the Pacific war, and suppled the KMT with commanders and shit to help fight the japanese and as the Americans hoped, to distract Japan to ease the war for themselves in Japan, it didn't work though, since the KMT just used it to fight the Communist party in china. Then, Japan started withdrawing troops from China to better combat America in the Pacific, then we dropped the biggie to end the war once and for all. So in a sense we pretty much saved China as well. Yes Germany had less manpower, but it was the most powerful military force the world has ever seen, so that wasn't an issue until the war stretched out long and then with a whole new rising super power like the U.S. joining it, it was hopeless, we sealed the deal basically. Lol @ babies thing. Who knows if they would've won without us, all I'm saying is we tied loose ends and cleaned up the war. Maybe you guys could have won, but it would stretch out farrrrrrrrr longer than it was and I'm sure Europe wouldnt exist with how much damage and casualties there would be. |
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| Incog | Sep 4 2009, 05:19 PM Post #452 |
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Jets were over-rated, while they were fast, speed isn't the only thing a good fighter or combat aircraft needs to be good. Indeed, the Me262 is in some aspects, a revolutionary plane, none the less, it had several teething problems that prevented it from being a true trump card. First of all it bled off speed at an alarming rate when it turned, losing energy in a dog fight is never a good thing, and the Me262 was prone to that. While Allied fighters might not be able to catch the Me262, as it is faster, the Me262 simply couldn't engage into a fight with the much more agile and perfected fighters of the time. It would have been a sitting duck. The Me262's acceleration was also shitty, it took a very long time to speed up... making them sitting ducks when they took off. Allied fighters would actually wait at Me262's airbases for them to take off & land, their slow deceleration and acceleration, as well as the fact that they flew in a relatively straight line, made the sitting ducks. The Me262 may be able to out-run propeller fighters, it could by no means ever hope to engage combat. Another problem was the turbojet itself. It was unreliable, high fuel consumption (At that time bombers were starting to encounter less resistance from the Luftwaffe simply because Germany had run out of gas), and had many teething problems. It was new technology, and when it's new it needs a few years work before it can become REALLY useful. The dual Junkers Jumo 004 B-1 turbojets could each spit out 1,980 pounds each... the empty weight of the Me262 was 9,790 pounds. Thrust/weight ratio: 0.28. That's terrible for any jet, today modern fighters will usually have thrust/weight ratios superior than 1. How did Hitler want to use the Me262? As a bomber. This further proves Hitler's idiocy. Bombs are heavy, the Me262 could lift a maximum of 1000 Kg of bombs, and when they did? The drag and weight the bombs added slowed the jet down so hard that it was hardly any faster than propeller fighters. Unagile, weighed down, Me262s on bomber missions were suicide, they were easy targets to the aggressive Allied pilots of the time. In my humble opinion, as the Me262 is both unsuited for dogfights and attack missions, it would have been very smart to use these jets to intercept bombers... they're fast, they can't be caught by fighters at speed, and God, how hard could it be to shoot down a big target flying in a straight line? Arm the Me262 with heavy cannons and you've got yourself an excellent interceptor. Unfortunately (or fortunately for bombers), the one thing Germany had that the Allies didn't was spectacularly wasted. The one last problem that remained was that the Luftwaffe had lost most of its veterans, all that remained were green recruits to face the aggressive and experienced pilots from the Allies. The same problem happened to Japan. The new recruits had no one experienced enough, and they had to face some excellent pilots themselves. Even with better aircraft (not the Me262 in this case, but the far more useful late-war Focke-Wulf 190), green pilots simply can't face experienced veterans. All in all the war was slowly lost by Germany over time. Another mistake they made was continue to upgrade the Me109, which, while it was the best combat aircraft in 1939... was pretty much outclassed in 1944. It was time to make a new, better fighter, the supplement the FW-109, which was perhaps one of the finest fighters of the war, as capable and powerful as the best Allied fighter, such as the Tempest, P51, F4U Corsair (though this one fought in the pacific), P47, etc.. It was the FW-190 that gave the Luftwaffe the edge over the famed Spitfire, which was ofc an excellent fighter as well. Long story made short, jets wouldn't have won the war for Germany lulz. |
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| Incog | Sep 4 2009, 05:22 PM Post #453 |
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Oh and if the USA didn't get involved in Europe, the USSR would have taken over all of Europe, America would have had no foothold here and be at a pretty big disadvantage in the Cold War... for all we know, we would all be communist as of now.  Be glad they came and fought.... but rest assured, they only fought for the USA's future, they knew that USSR would eventually win, and if they did take over Europe, it would be gg for them.
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| Incog | Sep 4 2009, 05:26 PM Post #454 |
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Rofl, Germany didn't get air supremacy over England because of the RAF, not the fruiting AA guns, AA guns are really over rated and often inaccurate. They're good psychologically and it is true that if you fly through a screen of flak you will have a good chance of getting hit... but that doesn't mean that AA guns assured air supremacy. Air supremacy (that's the real name) is always fought in the sky by fighters. Even today, aircraft can be equipped with anti-AA weapons (radar missles... HARM and such) and take out AA installations, I believe that the name to go with that is Wild Weasel.  Rofl you're all so ignorant about aircraft. 
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Sep 4 2009, 05:36 PM Post #455 |
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Lol Richard is just reciting American history and his assumptions. The Blitzkrieg of Britain ended in 1941, and in 1942, it was the British airforce that began raiding the Germans. That's what happened with Anne Frank. Her town was getting bombed by the British because it was occupied by Germans. O btw.
Wasn't it the Japanese who attacked the Americans? 
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 07:48 PM Post #456 |
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Don't forget the sophisticated British radar system. |
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| Big Richard | Sep 4 2009, 07:53 PM Post #457 |
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You can't say the AA guns didn't help, but yeah I'm talking about threats to bombers, threat to the planes guarding the bombers was the RAF. also its funny how japan used its experienced fighters to suicide lol. and ultra, yes it was japan that attacked America but do you even know why? They were planning to assault an ally of the U.S. and they knew that the U.S. would retalliate from pearl harbor, so they just did a premptive strike and hit us at Pearl Harbor first, to delay our involvment. But infact, it just inspired our assault 
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 07:55 PM Post #458 |
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Another reason the atomic bombs were used on Japan was because a land invasion of Japan would include the Soviets, therefore leaving half of Japan Soviet. |
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| Big Richard | Sep 4 2009, 07:57 PM Post #459 |
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Wouldn't matter Soviet Union would die in about 50 years anyway lol |
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| Incog | Sep 4 2009, 08:10 PM Post #460 |
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The bombers were shot down by fighters. Also, Japan suicided it's inexperienced new recruits @ the end of the war, before Midway they dominated the skies, the American's had a really hard time. @ Jam, yea forgot the radar. ^^
The main reason USSR died in 50 years was because they only influenced the USSR. America influenced Japan & Western Europe, that's where they got the big money. |
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 08:12 PM Post #461 |
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So 50 years of Soviet rule doesn't matter? Sure... |
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| ryker | Sep 4 2009, 08:16 PM Post #462 |
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im with jam on this one... |
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 08:23 PM Post #463 |
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There'd be a second Berlin wall, except it would be like Tokyo wall or something. |
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| Big Richard | Sep 4 2009, 08:40 PM Post #464 |
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the great wall of tokyo :P and Soviet union fell cause of internal problems after the invasion of afghan didn't it? |
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| UnknownCow | Sep 4 2009, 09:07 PM Post #465 |
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That among other things. My personal favorite was Ronald Reagan's "Lololol spendthrift" till the Soviet were like "No wai haxor, im leavin." |
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 09:22 PM Post #466 |
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The great wall is Chinese, not Japanese. |
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| Adams | Sep 4 2009, 10:26 PM Post #467 |
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I didnt bother to read ahead if anyone pointed this out but lmao. Ryker, are you by any chance naked under your clothes? |
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| Jam | Sep 4 2009, 10:27 PM Post #468 |
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No. Ryker is a cotton-polyester blend. |
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| Ichigo1uk | Sep 4 2009, 11:23 PM Post #469 |
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If asks the question "Why the fuck didn't you ignorant idiots enter the war after your asses got handed to you?" Trying to copy "Isolation" from the japs got your asses handed to you by the japs. |
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| Goodsbee | Sep 4 2009, 11:27 PM Post #470 |
life is grand :)
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| Big Richard | Sep 5 2009, 01:22 AM Post #471 |
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it was a joke smart-dick! gosh!!
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Sep 5 2009, 08:21 AM Post #472 |
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Who was this ally they were planning to assault? Also, the Russians most certainly were NOT undersupplied, but rather, over-manned. It didn't take them too long before they had more tanks and artillery than all of Germany and its states combined. Did you know that over 80,000 T34 tanks have been manufactured, which is more than 1000% of the amount of Panzer tanks built? |
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| MaxJ | Sep 5 2009, 09:06 AM Post #473 |
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Like I said this in not true, especially not after 1941. But do you know the Luftwaffe could only reach the coastal regions from London to South-East England? The German airplanes were not good enough to reach the big industrial places in mid-England around Manchester and Leeds nor could they reach Scotland. True, but they are not strong enough to beat Russia, Central Asia, Canada, Africa and South America together. This was the whole point I was making. I can't look in the past nor in the future but my point was that Germany would lose anyway, but that the war would take much longer without the USA and that it would take a lot more casualties. What means that Germany would lose the war with or without US help to the Allies. Good that you agree with me... This made me laugh :D |
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| Ichigo1uk | Sep 5 2009, 10:11 AM Post #474 |
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If Roosevelt had been able to stay president or a person with neutral feeling to the soviets had come into power the USA and USSR might not have begun the Cold War/ taken half of Europe. Edited by Ichigo1uk, Sep 5 2009, 10:11 AM.
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| Germee | Sep 5 2009, 10:13 AM Post #475 |
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this is the first time i don't feel the impulse to type up long essays about history no one cares about. |
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Barry: I’m lookin’ at your face and I just wanna smash it. I just wanna fuckin’ smash it with a sledgehammer and squeeze it. You’re so pretty. | |
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Sep 5 2009, 10:16 AM Post #476 |
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I remember hearing about Manchester being bombed, but not as extensively as London. |
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| Ichigo1uk | Sep 5 2009, 10:17 AM Post #477 |
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Huh?
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Already did that in the Casual Sex... |
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| Germee | Sep 5 2009, 10:21 AM Post #478 |
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there is actually a difference between history and casual sex, it is quite subtle yes, but it is there. |
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Barry: I’m lookin’ at your face and I just wanna smash it. I just wanna fuckin’ smash it with a sledgehammer and squeeze it. You’re so pretty. | |
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| Ichigo1uk | Sep 5 2009, 10:29 AM Post #479 |
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There's actually a small similarity too between the two topics, it is also quite subtle, but like yours it is also there. |
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| MaxJ | Sep 5 2009, 11:46 AM Post #480 |
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Yeah they were bombed in the Battle of Britain(just like Sheffield and Liverpool), but after the Battle of Britain they were bombed only a few times without causing much damage. But this was sporadic and could only be done in the time that Germany could use its fleet. 
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