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Topic Started: Apr 2 2010, 07:54 PM (1,969 Views)
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wasn't Hitler briliant in the terms of a war mind? We got lucky in my opinion. One of his biggest mistakes was invading Russia in the winter... Had he done it in the summer it woulda been gg
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He delayed the invasion of Russia by months in order to bail out Italy in the Balkans. Historically, having Italy as an enemy is more advantageous than having it as an ally.
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yeah I realize that but it was still his mistake. He should have played defensive and made them come to warmer weather. Climate was on the side of the russians which is they only reason they won. Had he played defensive until more favorable climate times, I don't think russia would have been able to break through into germany.
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"played defensive" lol ryker you played too much rts

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Hitler didn't have enough mines and let Stalin boom too much before his rush. Even though he had initial success, Stalin had enough eco to pump out cheap units and had map control. This gave him enough time to upgrade his units and Hitler's eco just couldn't keep up.

Hitler's micro was top notch though, would've won the game for him if rushed earlier. On the other hand Stalin's micro was so awful that he kept accidentally deleting his general units.
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Sep 13 2013, 05:49 PM
Except when you get invaded

poor germans. sometimes i read a book of a german luftwaffe general telling his account of the war (adolf galland). well, you almost feel sorry for the germans. hitler and goring were total fuck wads who had no idea what they were doing.

idk why i'm bringing this up but really, i think one of the biggest reasons germany lost the war was because hitler was so DUMB and full of himself
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No really I think Hitler's biggest mistake was waging war on THREE fronts. He should have made sure that Britain was occupied before going for the Soviet Union. in his arrogance, he thought that the USSR would fall before winter so he didn't establish proper supply lines for that situation.

Like really, 3 fronts? Germany vs UK/USA/Russia on 3 different fronts, it's almost surprising that Germany held that damn long.
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No really I think Hitler's biggest mistake was waging war on THREE fronts. He should have made sure that Britain was occupied before going for the Soviet Union. in his arrogance, he thought that the USSR would fall before winter so he didn't establish proper supply lines for that situation.

Like really, 3 fronts? Germany vs UK/USA/Russia on 3 different fronts, it's almost surprising that Germany held that damn long.
Hitler should've wanted to invade Russia as early as possible, since Russian industry would eventually gain the capacity to vastly out-produce that of Germany, at least in terms of guns and tanks, and the only thing holding Russia back was time. Furthermore, in a certain sense, war between Germany and the USSR was inevitable; besides the fact that Nazism and Communism were ideologically opposed, central Europe was crucially a part of the territorial ambitions of both nations. It would've been better to initiate this unavoidable conflict earlier and just get it over with, while Germany still had the military advantage, than to wait.

Also Hitler was a dipshit when it came to military planning. Operation Barbarossa wouldn't have been so successful if Stalin hadn't been more of a dipshit.
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Huh?
That's why Nazi Germany should be a rush faction in all games.
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Hitler didn't have enough mines and let Stalin boom too much before his rush. Even though he had initial success, Stalin had enough eco to pump out cheap units and had map control. This gave him enough time to upgrade his units and Hitler's eco just couldn't keep up.

Hitler's micro was top notch though, would've won the game for him if rushed earlier. On the other hand Stalin's micro was so awful that he kept accidentally deleting his general units.
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Also, Hitler had to push into the British Isles immediatly after invading the Benelux and France, by that time the only place to prepare an allied invasion from the west would be from the other side of the Atlantic.
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HAHA I don't play RTS to much, I am not good enough to play to often ;) I think you know what I meant though. Hitler should have made them come to him. Made Stalin fight on his terms, in his chosen battle fields. Hard to win a war when your fighting on someone else home turf in a time when weather is VERY unfavorable to you but VERY normal to them.
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??? seriously. that is like putting a sprinter who lives in Africa against a sprinter who lives in Alaska during an Alaska winter. Regardless of how much better the sprinter from Africa might be, if he is used to a hot dry climate, and he is running in a freezing one, his body can't adapt appropriately and he will loose.
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Ill take it you didn't understand the analogy
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I do, and I also understand that the Nazis had a very deep hatred for African sprinters, making the analogy misplaced.
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He should have sued for peace with the UK and just went for the soviets instead of trying starting the battle for Britain. With all the extra forces Germany could have easily taken Moscow.
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Yeah but they refuse to talk to you every time you try to negotiate with them a few turns after declaring war.
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Churchill did not want peace with Hitler, he'd not be budged about it.
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That's true but I feel like the attempted invasion of England was a complete waste of resources. There was no way the Brits could have even thought about invading mainland europe with help from the U.S. With the western front at a stagnation the Germans could've looked east to destroy the soviet threat before the Americans were even a question.
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I'm not sure the blitz is considered an attempted invasion, but I definitely think the Germans should have dealt with the RAF as they came to them instead of trying to destroy it since bombing raids by the British were ineffective before 1943 and caused high loss rates to the RAF.
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Problem with Battle of Britain is that the Luftwaffe fighters didn't have enough range to fight efficiently. They could only really fight over south east England, which doesn't cover enough area to fully destroy the RAF.

Regardless, the Luftwaffe offensive on RAF airfields in the area which they could reach was actually very effective. The RAF was taking considerable damage. I think that had they continued attacking airfields and trying to wrest away air superiority over Dover, they could have eventually achieved that goal, especially if the Bf109 got additional fuel tanks which would extend their fighting time over England.

Unfortunately (rather fortunately for freedom), the offensive which was doing really well was stopped in its track by Hitler himself. Some RAF bomber got lost and dropped a few bombs on Berlin by mistake, which pissed off Hitler so hard that he wanted the Luftwaffe to bomb the shit out the London. This took the pressure off the RAF airfields and allowed them to consolidate themselves and their defense. After a while, bombing London was too costly for the Luftwaffe and they lost to defenders advantage and radar. Downed pilots could start fighting again for Britain, but not for Germany. Radar could pin point enemy formations and tell RAF fighters where to position themselves to have a tactical advantage, which is pretty huge. The Bf109 could stay and fight only a short time which left bombers vulnerable for quite a while.

The bomber offensive got stumped and Göring got pissed at the fighters for not being able to protect the bombers well enough. So instead of helping solve the fuel problem, he ordered the fighters to carry the bombs themselves.

Bombs and bomb release mechanism had a pretty nasty impact on the performance of the 109, pilots were already trying to get rid of anything heavy in the plane to scrape more performance out of it. So it was another setback.

All in all the Battle of Britain was lost by Goring and Hitler. I'm frustrated myself by it not because I wanted Germany to win the war, but because I read first hand accounts from Adolf Galland (German general of the fighter arm) who was clearly frustrated and that frustration rubbed off on me. It must be SO terrible to fight for your country and have fuckers who are arrogant and don't know what they're doing throw everything askew because they're fuckers.

Operation Sea Lion could have been a success had the Luftwaffe managed to take air superiority from the RAF. This task would have been very difficult but it would have been possible.
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