DragonLegend

Jun 23 2011, 11:24 PM

Or, exaggeration to make a point.

Hyperactive Jam

Jun 23 2011, 11:46 PM

DragonLegend

Jun 23 2011, 11:24 PM

Or, exaggeration to make a point.

Saying that there is a massive problem to make the point that there is a non-massive problem?

DragonLegend

Jun 23 2011, 11:24 PM

Or, exaggeration to make a point.

DragonLegend

Jun 24 2011, 12:51 AM

Hyperactive Jam

Jun 23 2011, 11:46 PM

DragonLegend

Jun 23 2011, 11:24 PM

Or, exaggeration to make a point.

Saying that there is a massive problem to make the point that there is a non-massive problem?

I don't think it's uncommon to use even apocalypse-esque terms to describe a problem. Didn't that same woman later defend the Netherlands?

DragonLegend

Jun 24 2011, 12:51 AM

Hyperactive Jam

Jun 23 2011, 11:46 PM

DragonLegend

Jun 23 2011, 11:24 PM

Or, exaggeration to make a point.

Saying that there is a massive problem to make the point that there is a non-massive problem?

I don't think it's uncommon to use even apocalypse-esque terms to describe a problem. Didn't that same woman later defend the Netherlands?

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Finally, the charge that the metaphors used by Palin and others were inciting violence is ridiculous. Everyone uses warlike metaphors in describing politics. When Barack Obama said at a 2008 fundraiser in Philadelphia, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” he was hardly inciting violence.

Why? Because fighting and warfare are the most routine of political metaphors. And for obvious reasons. Historically speaking, all democratic politics is a sublimation of the ancient route to power – military conquest. That’s why the language persists. That’s why we say without any self-consciousness such things as “battleground states” or “targeting” opponents. Indeed, the very word for an electoral contest – “campaign” – is an appropriation from warfare.

When profiles of Obama’s first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, noted that he once sent a dead fish to a pollster who displeased him, a characteristically subtle statement carrying more than a whiff of malice and murder, it was considered a charming example of excessive – and creative – political enthusiasm. When Senate candidate Joe Manchin dispensed with metaphor and simply fired a bullet through the cap-and-trade bill – while intoning, “I’ll take dead aim at [it]” – he was hardly assailed with complaints about violations of civil discourse or invitations to murder.

DragonLegend

Jun 24 2011, 06:09 PM

You'd have to have an IQ below freezing point to take news hyperbole literally.

DragonLegend

Jun 24 2011, 04:55 PM

Hyperbole is always used in journalism... For instance, war terms are often used to describe political situations. After the Arizona shooting, there was a huge fuss about it, people were claiming that that kind of language could radicalize people or some such.

Do you honestly believe that woman on O'Reilly believes there's anarchy in Amsterdam/Netherlands? How can someone deride a government's policies and simultaneously believe there's no government? It's exaggeration to make a point.

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The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking.[22]

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Despite the high priority given by the Dutch government to fighting illegal drug trafficking, the Netherlands continue to be an important transit point for drugs entering Europe, a major producer[14] and leading distributor of cannabis, heroin, cocaine, amphetamines[15][16] and other synthetic drugs, and a medium consumer of illicit drugs.[17] Despite the crackdown on traffic and illicit manufacture of temazepam by Interpol,[18] the country has also become a major exporter of illicit temazepam of the "jelly" variety, trafficking it to the United Kingdom and other European nations.[19]

DragonLegend

Jun 24 2011, 08:04 PM

I've watched the video several times and I still think you're reading too much into it. They said there was a lot of drug and prostitution related crime, and that it was attracting such criminals from all over Europe. That's all.

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The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking.[22]

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Despite the high priority given by the Dutch government to fighting illegal drug trafficking, the Netherlands continue to be an important transit point for drugs entering Europe, a major producer[14] and leading distributor of cannabis, heroin, cocaine, amphetamines[15][16] and other synthetic drugs, and a medium consumer of illicit drugs.[17] Despite the crackdown on traffic and illicit manufacture of temazepam by Interpol,[18] the country has also become a major exporter of illicit temazepam of the "jelly" variety, trafficking it to the United Kingdom and other European nations.[19]

They didn't say anything about murder rates, or cannabis use rate among the general population. The response video completely ignored the facts about drug and prostitution crime, and responded to claims that were never made. This is why it was a straw man argument.

All the terms they used to describe Amsterdam/the Netherlands I constantly see used to describe situations in America and other countries. In almost every conservative discussion about Detroit, for instance, I saw that exact same language used to describe the city. They're metaphors, hyperbole, not literal. They're used everywhere, especially in politics. It's nothing new.

Incog

Jun 25 2011, 06:36 AM

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