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The Weapon
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Post #1
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Is a killer really worth more than his crime?
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Mar 30 2011, 01:49 PM Post #2
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Explain.
	Long live Carolus


MaxJ	Mar 30 2011, 04:18 PM Post #3
Wij van A414A adviseren A414A Posts: 9,339 Group: Moderator Member #58 Joined: April 21, 2008	Elaborate.
	Jouw wereld, jouw A414A forum.


Ichigo1uk	Mar 30 2011, 04:20 PM Post #4
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	The black guy?
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Mar 31 2011, 08:40 AM Post #5
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Meh, encouraging a discussion in this community is harder than I had expected. But I'm not going to explain/elaborate/the black guy because I'm frightened of doing so to no gain.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


DragonLegend	Mar 31 2011, 07:19 PM Post #6
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Ultra is possibly talking about the death penalty, which some people oppose because they believe the criminal's life is worth more than whatever there is to be gained from executing him, including punishment/justice and ridding society of yet another danger to it.



Incog	Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Post #7
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? It's an interesting question but one that I can't be arsed to answer as of now as gs (that fag!) isn't on msn.
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 1 2011, 05:42 PM Post #8
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	It's one of those statements that are deliberately controversial, and, although short, typically elicit a whole immensity of responses.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Apr 1 2011, 08:59 PM Post #9
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Apr 1 2011, 05:42 PM It's one of those statements that are deliberately controversial, and, although short, typically elicit a whole immensity of responses. Evidently.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 2 2011, 06:13 AM Post #10
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	A response doesn't have to be vocally expressed for it to be a response.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


DragonLegend	Apr 2 2011, 01:59 PM Post #11
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Incog Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? Why not? Better than to put him in prison and risk having him escape and commit yet another vicious crime.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 2 2011, 05:34 PM Post #12
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Depends on whether or not you can trust the man beyond the murderer, although it is often too hazardous to risk it.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Apr 2 2011, 06:32 PM Post #13
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 01:59 PM Incog Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? Why not? Better than to put him in prison and risk having him escape and commit yet another vicious crime. You are assuming that all murders are in cold blood with clear intent and done by psychopaths.
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Apr 2 2011, 06:38 PM Post #14
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 06:32 PM DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 01:59 PM Incog Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? Why not? Better than to put him in prison and risk having him escape and commit yet another vicious crime. You are assuming that all murders are in cold blood with clear intent and done by psychopaths. You are assuming that I don't know there are many types of murder. I'm talking about first and perhaps second degree murder. There are, of course, exceptions for accidents or 'crimes of passion' or people who commit murder while temporarily insane. Someone who enters a house, rapes a 4-year-old girl then shoots her in the head - there's nothing to do about that except an execution.



Ichigo1uk	Apr 2 2011, 06:42 PM Post #15
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 06:38 PM Someone who enters a house, rapes a 4-year-old girl then shoots her in the head What the fuck are you watching?
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


DragonLegend	Apr 2 2011, 06:43 PM Post #16
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Watching?... what? That's the real world, buddy. Happens every day.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 2 2011, 06:52 PM Post #17
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Heh, reminds me of this article http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/richard_chase.htm
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Ichigo1uk	Apr 2 2011, 07:03 PM Post #18
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 06:43 PM Watching?... what? That's the real world, buddy. Happens every day. Somehow, i don't think it does.
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Jam	Apr 2 2011, 07:08 PM Post #19
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 06:38 PM Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 06:32 PM DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 01:59 PM Incog Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? Why not? Better than to put him in prison and risk having him escape and commit yet another vicious crime. You are assuming that all murders are in cold blood with clear intent and done by psychopaths. You are assuming that I don't know there are many types of murder. I'm talking about first and perhaps second degree murder. There are, of course, exceptions for accidents or 'crimes of passion' or people who commit murder while temporarily insane. Someone who enters a house, rapes a 4-year-old girl then shoots her in the head - there's nothing to do about that except an execution. I am not assuming that you don't know about different types of murder, but your comment that murders should be executed ignores these different types. You didn't specify that you meant only certain types of murder should be punishable by execution.
	Long live Carolus


Jam	Apr 2 2011, 07:10 PM Post #20
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Apr 2 2011, 06:52 PM Heh, reminds me of this article http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/richard_chase.htm "By the age of 10, Chase displayed three known warning signs of children who grow to become serial killers - bed-wetting beyond the normal age, cruelty to animals and setting fires." wtf??? So serial killers have poor bladder control.
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Apr 2 2011, 07:20 PM Post #21
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Great. That made me sick. EDIT: Uh, that was for Ultra. Edited by DragonLegend, Apr 2 2011, 07:21 PM.



DragonLegend	Apr 2 2011, 07:22 PM Post #22
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 07:08 PM DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 06:38 PM Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 06:32 PM DragonLegend Apr 2 2011, 01:59 PM Incog Apr 1 2011, 05:21 PM Ultra-Musketeer Mar 30 2011, 08:07 AM Is a killer really worth more than his crime? A good question. He definitely isn't but does that mean we should kill him off? Why not? Better than to put him in prison and risk having him escape and commit yet another vicious crime. You are assuming that all murders are in cold blood with clear intent and done by psychopaths. You are assuming that I don't know there are many types of murder. I'm talking about first and perhaps second degree murder. There are, of course, exceptions for accidents or 'crimes of passion' or people who commit murder while temporarily insane. Someone who enters a house, rapes a 4-year-old girl then shoots her in the head - there's nothing to do about that except an execution. I am not assuming that you don't know about different types of murder, but your comment that murders should be executed ignores these different types. You didn't specify that you meant only certain types of murder should be punishable by execution. Well, it's pretty obvious... I don't want to kill people for no reason, you know. Execution is a punishment and a deterrent (to prevent crimes by the executed criminal, and other criminals who may be afraid of death). Executing a lunatic would be pointless.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 2 2011, 07:46 PM Post #23
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	So you keep the lunatic serial killers in asylums where they feed upon your taxes for the rest of their lives?
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Apr 2 2011, 09:21 PM Post #24
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Some people deserve to die. Death is a deterrent, but not a punishment. I would suffer more in prison for 25 years than in an eternity of being dead.
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Apr 5 2011, 03:20 AM Post #25
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Apr 2 2011, 07:46 PM So you keep the lunatic serial killers in asylums where they feed upon your taxes for the rest of their lives? Yes. You can't kill people simply because you don't want to spend too much money on them. And besides, in this day and age, prison costs are hardly any developed country's biggest concern.



DragonLegend	Apr 5 2011, 03:28 AM Post #26
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 09:21 PM Some people deserve to die. Death is a deterrent, but not a punishment. I would suffer more in prison for 25 years than in an eternity of being dead. You would. Many criminals wouldn't. This isn't a third-world country we're talking about. In the West, 'prison' means free housing, the best healthcare (free, too!), 3 meals a day, gym, libraries, among other things, and, if you're in one of those prisons in Norway, yoga, meditation, massages, and cooking classes. Even the prisons for the worst of the worst aren't that different. This is hardly going to make those savages piss their britches. They have one life, and while it's true many, if not most, of them believe after death is nothingness, that simply makes them want to continue living even more.



Jam	Apr 6 2011, 02:19 PM Post #27
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Oh yeah, prison is a blast. But seriously, prison is not fun because they let you read and exercise, it sucks. However prisons are not intended to be torture centres.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Apr 7 2011, 07:09 PM Post #28
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	The whole punishment of imprisonment is the very state of being imprisoned. Being confined to a single organised space, forced into cohabitation with inmates you may or may not appreciate, for several years is what is insufferable; the various privileges are provided only to maintain prisoner health, conceivably so that the prison authorities do not receive critcism for gross mistreating.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


_Saladin_	Apr 21 2011, 02:48 AM Post #29
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	I cant help but feel sorry for the evil as being products of their circumstances, mostly because I often wonder what I would have been like had I grown up with a normal Canadian family. Nevertheless, whether I believe it is their fault or not, action needs to be taken to prevent them from committing such crimes again. When the scales are weighed and all that jazz, i like to think that at the end of the day their punishment would be proportional to the ratio of potential damage to risk of repetition. Bah, I'm getting soft. Last year I wouldnt have thought twice about dealing a fatal blow to an evil man.



Incog	Apr 21 2011, 09:11 AM Post #30
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Apr 5 2011, 03:28 AM Hyperactive Jam Apr 2 2011, 09:21 PM Some people deserve to die. Death is a deterrent, but not a punishment. I would suffer more in prison for 25 years than in an eternity of being dead. You would. Many criminals wouldn't. This isn't a third-world country we're talking about. In the West, 'prison' means free housing, the best healthcare (free, too!), 3 meals a day, gym, libraries, among other things, and, if you're in one of those prisons in Norway, yoga, meditation, massages, and cooking classes. Even the prisons for the worst of the worst aren't that different. This is hardly going to make those savages piss their britches. They have one life, and while it's true many, if not most, of them believe after death is nothingness, that simply makes them want to continue living even more. What the fuck massages in a prison? Is that what they call butt rape in Norway? :s
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


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