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Big Richard	Jul 10 2011, 06:41 PM Post #31
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	I think they're based more on legality rather than opinion, but opinions do play a part in the decision making. Your original views on social issues was brought upon by blind admiration for hollywood, which was then changed by blind admiration for your conservative friends. You simply assumed everything hollywood taught you to believe was completely wrong and what your conservative friends were telling you now is completely right. That's not how an independent thinker analyzes things and formulates views.



DragonLegend	Jul 10 2011, 06:45 PM Post #32
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Where did you get that? I don't think I ever said such a thing.



gs	Jul 10 2011, 07:10 PM Post #33
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 05:40 PM gs Jul 10 2011, 01:57 PM DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 12:38 AM Ah, 24. I remember watching it in the very beginning, back when hardly anybody watched it. Good show. I haven't seen any episodes since season 3 (or was it 4?). Didn't expect you to like that kind of stuff, Richard. Wouldn't you think it's nationalistic, pro-torture propaganda or something? maybe it's just a tv show lol Silly, innocent GS. TV shows are rarely just TV shows. Hollywood is political, and it's no secret. 24 is a show that promotes right-wing ideals, the military, America, and the war on terror in general, and it was created by a die-hard conservative. ok then maybe it's not just a tv show. i said maybe for a reason, it means i haven't investigated the matter. politically motivated or not it's a great show. tv shows are for our enjoyment, i don't need or want to know every tiny detail about their potential political agenda.



DragonLegend	Jul 10 2011, 07:24 PM Post #34
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Exactly. People watch TV shows and movies to be entertained, not preached at. If the politics is negligible, I can deal with it. But when a show is clearly preaching and not entertaining, I have no reason to watch it. It's kind of stupid to enjoy a show whose message is that you're stupid and evil. I guess if you're apolitical, you couldn't care less, but I already have political opinions, as do most people. That's why anti-war movies keep bombing at the box office.



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 07:39 PM Post #35
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	good thing i'm not smart enough to be told that i'm evil and stupid
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Big Richard	Jul 10 2011, 08:31 PM Post #36
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 06:31 PM Most social issues are about opinion, not fact. Even though I was socially liberal, my foreign policy views were mostly shared by conservatives, so naturally those were the people I spent time with. They also happened to be socially conservative, and they managed to change my views on abortion, drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and other social issues. I'm mostly socially libertarian now, but the difference is that this is my choice, while my former social liberalism was due to Hollywood propaganda. I was a child at the time, and young kids' minds are easily influenced. "I couldn't believe how brainwashed (assumed hollywood was right) I was. I turned from a hard-core liberal on social issues into a hard-core social conservative within months." I noticed how quickly and easily you changed your views. You said "I couldn't believe how brainwashed I was" which means after hearing the conservative side of it you automatically attributed undeniable trust to conservatives and assumed hollywood was wrong on everything. All this is is changing which propaganda you hear, and you're buying it just the same as when you watched hollywood.



gs	Jul 10 2011, 09:12 PM Post #37
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 07:24 PM Exactly. People watch TV shows and movies to be entertained, not preached at. If the politics is negligible, I can deal with it. But when a show is clearly preaching and not entertaining, I have no reason to watch it. It's kind of stupid to enjoy a show whose message is that you're stupid and evil. I guess if you're apolitical, you couldn't care less, but I already have political opinions, as do most people. That's why anti-war movies keep bombing at the box office. didn't you say you liked 24? i remember you trying to be a hipster saying you were watching it before everyone else was



DragonLegend	Jul 10 2011, 09:44 PM Post #38
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Jul 10 2011, 08:31 PM DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 06:31 PM Most social issues are about opinion, not fact. Even though I was socially liberal, my foreign policy views were mostly shared by conservatives, so naturally those were the people I spent time with. They also happened to be socially conservative, and they managed to change my views on abortion, drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and other social issues. I'm mostly socially libertarian now, but the difference is that this is my choice, while my former social liberalism was due to Hollywood propaganda. I was a child at the time, and young kids' minds are easily influenced. "I couldn't believe how brainwashed (assumed hollywood was right) I was. I turned from a hard-core liberal on social issues into a hard-core social conservative within months." I noticed how quickly and easily you changed your views. You said "I couldn't believe how brainwashed I was" which means after hearing the conservative side of it you automatically attributed undeniable trust to conservatives and assumed hollywood was wrong on everything. All this is is changing which propaganda you hear, and you're buying it just the same as when you watched hollywood. How in the world does "I couldn't believe how brainwashed I was" translate to "Hollywood is wrong about everything and conservatives are right about everything"? @ GS: I like it, but I don't pretend not to know the show is political.



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 10:22 PM Post #39
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	lol. btw guys, for the first time in quite a while we got 250+ posts in a single day.and we set a record of 50 active members!!!! which is quite strange but pretty cool
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Goodsbee	Jul 10 2011, 10:27 PM Post #40
life is grand :) Posts: 5,199 Group: A414A Member Member #105 Joined: July 20, 2008	more strange than cool if u ask meh where is the drooling emote?



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 10:28 PM Post #41
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	i'm not sure if we have one but if we don't i'll add one when i get the time atm my bed is like.... SO sexy to me. <3 sleep rapes when you're tired
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Goodsbee	Jul 10 2011, 10:37 PM Post #42
life is grand :) Posts: 5,199 Group: A414A Member Member #105 Joined: July 20, 2008	lool ok ...NIGHT INCY!



Big Richard	Jul 11 2011, 03:03 AM Post #43
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 09:44 PM Big Richard Jul 10 2011, 08:31 PM DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 06:31 PM Most social issues are about opinion, not fact. Even though I was socially liberal, my foreign policy views were mostly shared by conservatives, so naturally those were the people I spent time with. They also happened to be socially conservative, and they managed to change my views on abortion, drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and other social issues. I'm mostly socially libertarian now, but the difference is that this is my choice, while my former social liberalism was due to Hollywood propaganda. I was a child at the time, and young kids' minds are easily influenced. "I couldn't believe how brainwashed (assumed hollywood was right) I was. I turned from a hard-core liberal on social issues into a hard-core social conservative within months." I noticed how quickly and easily you changed your views. You said "I couldn't believe how brainwashed I was" which means after hearing the conservative side of it you automatically attributed undeniable trust to conservatives and assumed hollywood was wrong on everything. All this is is changing which propaganda you hear, and you're buying it just the same as when you watched hollywood. How in the world does "I couldn't believe how brainwashed I was" translate to "Hollywood is wrong about everything and conservatives are right about everything"? @ GS: I like it, but I don't pretend not to know the show is political. ...how does it not? are you not able to connect the dots? If you say brainwashed you obviously mean you weren't told the truth or were told a biased account, or in other words: wrong. Then you said you switched from "hardcore liberal" which from your last sentence would = wrong, to hard core conservative which seeing how thats what you switched to it must mean you understand that that is the truth as opposed to the brainwashed views you had before. and your use of the word "hardcore" tells me you agree with almost every conservative stand on an issue.



DragonLegend	Jul 11 2011, 03:36 AM Post #44
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Yes, I was a social liberal, then became a social conservative after a few months of discussions with conservatives. What's unusual about that?



Big Richard	Jul 11 2011, 03:41 AM Post #45
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lol you were a social liberal "after a few months" of watching hollywood, then became a social conservative after a few months of discussions with conservatives. I'm saying that your views are dependent on whom you are around rather than what you truly believe after analyzing both sides. An independent thinker would not assume one extreme over another and certainly wouldn't have such a drastic polarization so casually because the views of an independent thinker are based upon logic and pure, objective reasoning rather than external influences such as colleagues and peers.



DragonLegend	Jul 11 2011, 03:49 AM Post #46
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Uh, when did I say I became a social liberal after a few months of watching Hollywood shows and movies? I'd been a TV addict (and I mean watching TV literally whenever possible. That's all day, except for bathroom, etc., plus a few hours of sleep, usually interrupted just before dawn to watch something), for as long as I could remember. That's many, many, many years, during a crucial period of my life, when my mind was easily influenced. Your second paragraph just sounds snobby and proves you haven't actually read and comprehended my posts before responding to them.



Big Richard	Jul 11 2011, 04:29 AM Post #47
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	a couple of months was an understatement you didn't exactly say what I said but how much time you watched hollywood is irrelevant, whats more relevant is that I mention you got your social liberal views from watching hollywood. your mind is still easily influenced which is my whole point. your posts aren't hard to comprehend in fact if anything I've possibly over analyzed them. I think you must not be understanding me.



DragonLegend	Jul 11 2011, 04:32 AM Post #48
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Jul 11 2011, 04:29 AM a couple of months was an understatement you didn't exactly say what I said but how much time you watched hollywood is irrelevant, whats more relevant is that I mention you got your social liberal views from watching hollywood. your mind is still easily influenced which is my whole point. your posts aren't hard to comprehend in fact if anything I've possibly over analyzed them. I think you must not be understanding me. Stupid, baseless, unsubstantiated claim #463443. Seriously, either provide evidence for these ridiculous claims you keep making about me, or, to put it bluntly, shut up.



Big Richard	Jul 11 2011, 04:54 AM Post #49
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	LOL I just explained my reasoning for the past 4 posts or something and you still don't get it. thought you were more mature than that dragon hahaha



DragonLegend	Jul 11 2011, 08:01 AM Post #50
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	No, you didn't, Richard. No, you didn't.



Goodsbee	Jul 11 2011, 11:51 AM Post #51
life is grand :) Posts: 5,199 Group: A414A Member Member #105 Joined: July 20, 2008	you two behave...or tis time out!



Incog	Jul 11 2011, 07:38 PM Post #52
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	dragon is a new type of grammar nazi. a punctuation SS or something. Lewl tbh
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Big Richard	Jul 11 2011, 08:20 PM Post #53
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Jul 11 2011, 08:01 AM No, you didn't, Richard. No, you didn't. Go re-read my posts



Ichigo1uk	Jul 11 2011, 08:46 PM Post #54
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Incog Jul 11 2011, 07:38 PM dragon is a new type of grammar nazi. a punctuation SS or something. Lewl tbh Maybe some kind of Grammar Gestapo Officer?
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DragonLegend	Jul 12 2011, 02:05 AM Post #55
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Jul 11 2011, 08:20 PM DragonLegend Jul 11 2011, 08:01 AM No, you didn't, Richard. No, you didn't. Go re-read my posts Irony: You can't detect it, can you?



Jack the IV	Jul 12 2011, 02:33 AM Post #56
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	I think he needs a metal detector.
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Big Richard	Jul 12 2011, 03:13 AM Post #57
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Jul 12 2011, 02:05 AM Big Richard Jul 11 2011, 08:20 PM DragonLegend Jul 11 2011, 08:01 AM No, you didn't, Richard. No, you didn't. Go re-read my posts Irony: You can't detect it, can you? I don't understand how you don't see how I got that conclusion. I explained it numerous times and you still can't get it, do you want me to go over it slowly one post at a time for you?



DragonLegend	Jul 12 2011, 03:23 AM Post #58
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	How about you just quote the post where I said that my conservative views are/were due to... peer pressure, is it?, and have nothing to do with facts or evidence of any sort.



Big Richard	Jul 12 2011, 05:49 PM Post #59
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Jul 10 2011, 06:31 PM Most social issues are about opinion, not fact. Even though I was socially liberal, my foreign policy views were mostly shared by conservatives, so naturally those were the people I spent time with. They also happened to be socially conservative, and they managed to change my views on abortion, drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and other social issues. I'm mostly socially libertarian now, but the difference is that this is my choice, while my former social liberalism was due to Hollywood propaganda. I was a child at the time, and young kids' minds are easily influenced. I'm not even talking about peer pressure. I'm saying you base your views based on your immediate influences. When you were into TV you probably saw the same "facts or evidence" to support your liberal views. Then you talked with conservatives and you saw their "facts or evidence" so you changed your mind. That's not the point. The point is that instead of taking into account both sides and deciding for yourself (believing what you think is right) you just went from one extreme to the other. You believe everything that each side told you on those social issues. And considering how polarized the two sides are on those issues, there's just propaganda on either side to denounce the other. Which you bought into.



DragonLegend	Jul 12 2011, 10:25 PM Post #60
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	No, stupid. Apparently you're not intelligent enough to understand what a 6 year old has no problem comprehending, so I'm going to dumb it down for you. Me = baby. Hollywood: What I say is true, because. Me: OK. Me = all grown up. Conservatives: What we say is true, because [insert convincing, evidence-based argument here]. Me: OK.



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