I purchased Total War: Shogun 2

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I purchased Total War: Shogun 2; And it's........
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Vondongo	Jul 9 2011, 10:22 PM Post #1
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	...pretty great, actually. Better than Empire was because units no longer have to go into unbelievably arbitrary formations just to shoot their weapons. Military units naturally replenish if under the supervision of a general and if in a settlement that produces their unit type. Units fight "smarter" too--yari (spear) carrying ashigaru for example, are armed with both their spear and short sword. By default they use their spear, but switch to their sword if they're engaging infantry. If there's any cavalry, they use their spears instead. In contrast to AOE 3, ashigaru in this game (including melee, gun and yumi variants among others) are total garbage--which is what they were IRL. Obviously there's some anachronisms--samurai are armed with one particular weapon depending on their type rather than a full complement of weapons, ninjas are the stereotypical all-black-wearing goons with tools of assassinations, etc. It's not the most realistic game EVER made but there's always going to be fantasy units. In terms of the general feel of the battle (and the look of everything) it feels much more authentic. "Clone" units no longer exist and everything in the environment is quite pretty--and it all plays big into how battles turn out (don't siege a castle in winter unless the odds are big in your favor). All in all it's worth trying out.



gs	Jul 9 2011, 10:26 PM Post #2
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	how's the multiplayer



Vondongo	Jul 9 2011, 10:29 PM Post #3
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	I haven't tried that out yet. I want to get singleplayer pinned down first because it plays out differently than the other TW games. It's a lot harder to wage an aggressive war in this one without going near broke.



Incog	Jul 9 2011, 10:36 PM Post #4
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	interesting review. i shall perhaps one day examine this game
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Jack the IV	Jul 10 2011, 12:40 AM Post #5
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	I was looking at it on steam yesterday actually, and i was thinking of whether or not to get it. It looks pretty fun but i was pretty disappointed by ETW... I'll dl the demo i suppose and see how it is.
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Jam	Jul 10 2011, 05:00 AM Post #6
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Redemption Jul 9 2011, 10:29 PM I haven't tried that out yet. I want to get singleplayer pinned down first because it plays out differently than the other TW games. It's a lot harder to wage an aggressive war in this one without going near broke. That's good, I remember in Medieval 2 once you get going you can almost steamroll across the map.
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jul 10 2011, 08:08 AM Post #7
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	After having been done out of my mind by ETW and Napoleon TW, I really don't have the conviction needed to attempt another total war game.
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Vondongo	Jul 10 2011, 12:06 PM Post #8
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Jul 10 2011, 05:00 AM Redemption Jul 9 2011, 10:29 PM I haven't tried that out yet. I want to get singleplayer pinned down first because it plays out differently than the other TW games. It's a lot harder to wage an aggressive war in this one without going near broke. That's good, I remember in Medieval 2 once you get going you can almost steamroll across the map. The problem was that you could get rich by the 20th turn and pump armies out from cities with half a dozen army recruitment slots. It's harder in this game to get a strong economy and military at the same time very quickly, especiallly since taxation doesn't pay off very well and settlements at the beginning of the game only have 1 recruitment slot.



Adams	Jul 10 2011, 02:42 PM Post #9
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	I was actually looking at this Friday and wondering if I should get it. Whats graphics like? Could I run it on a laptop? Might try the demo and see how it plays



Vondongo	Jul 10 2011, 02:49 PM Post #10
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	I think you'd need a pretty strong laptop to run it. For a strategy game with the number of troops that it supports, the graphics are excellent on unit models and the terrain and there's a lot of effects that need system memory to run right.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jul 10 2011, 03:08 PM Post #11
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	I imagine that, on the lowest settings, the game could be well sustained by an aged or otherwise powerless system, but of course the effect of the experience is diminished.
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gs	Jul 10 2011, 03:08 PM Post #12
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Adams Jul 10 2011, 02:42 PM I was actually looking at this Friday and wondering if I should get it. Whats graphics like? Could I run it on a laptop? Might try the demo and see how it plays you can run everything on A laptop. the question is if you can run it on yours. specs?



Jam	Jul 10 2011, 04:00 PM Post #13
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/
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Adams	Jul 10 2011, 05:35 PM Post #14
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	Good site Jam. Nah fuck it my video card isnt good enough.



gs	Jul 10 2011, 05:38 PM Post #15
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	you don't need a strong video card though. are you sure? it says fail when i do the test too because that site doesn't recognize my video card... just tell us what your card is (and processor) we're a much better judge than that site



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 05:40 PM Post #16
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	yeah low end laptops can only run 2D games. good thing there's aoc. the more i read in this thread the more i'm willing to give the game a shot, it looks nice. I keep wondering about how battles fight though. tbh i've never figured out how to fight in a TW game, i would just sort have my dudes attack and maybe try to flank with cav. or something. but lol.
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Adams	Jul 10 2011, 05:42 PM Post #17
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	Pentium(R) Dual Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10 GHz 2.10 GHz How do I find the card?



Adams	Jul 10 2011, 05:45 PM Post #18
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	The sit Jam posted says I have a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family



DragonLegend	Jul 10 2011, 05:45 PM Post #19
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Run - type "dxdiag" - Display tab - Name of device



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 05:47 PM Post #20
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Hyperactive Jam Jul 10 2011, 04:00 PM http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/ that site is pretty nifty but it said that i could run aoe3 np... something i really doubt. maybe it meant with every setting on the lowest possible thing.
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Adams	Jul 10 2011, 05:47 PM Post #21
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	Yeah its the one I posted then



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Jul 10 2011, 05:51 PM Post #22
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Adams Jul 10 2011, 05:45 PM The sit Jam posted says I have a Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family Seems like you don't have a graphics card at all; that's an integrated graphics device, which isn't going to have very good rendering power :\
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Incog	Jul 10 2011, 05:52 PM Post #23
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	laptop gfx cards mostly suck dick. also annoying is that they can't be upgraded either. shame shame shame
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Adams	Jul 10 2011, 05:56 PM Post #24
The Real Posts: 6,405 Group: A414A Member Member #2 Joined: December 12, 2007	Fuck that



Vondongo	Jul 10 2011, 05:56 PM Post #25
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Incog Jul 10 2011, 05:40 PM yeah low end laptops can only run 2D games. good thing there's aoc. the more i read in this thread the more i'm willing to give the game a shot, it looks nice. I keep wondering about how battles fight though. tbh i've never figured out how to fight in a TW game, i would just sort have my dudes attack and maybe try to flank with cav. or something. but lol. The role of cavalry in Shogun TW is a lot different than in Medieval or even Empire. This game is a lot more infantry-based. Skirmish with archers, send infantry forward, get into melee, try to flank with heavy cavalry, keep general alive, send light cavalry in to chase down archers and routing infantry. Pretty simple stuff.



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 06:00 PM Post #26
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	i didn't realise that cav had a bigger role in the other TW titles (except for MTW where they were the best units iirc). still what kind of positioning and shit like that is needed to be considered? is there anything like that or is it really RI forward, pick shit off, engage with melee etc?
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Jam	Jul 10 2011, 06:02 PM Post #27
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Redemption Jul 10 2011, 05:56 PM Incog Jul 10 2011, 05:40 PM yeah low end laptops can only run 2D games. good thing there's aoc. the more i read in this thread the more i'm willing to give the game a shot, it looks nice. I keep wondering about how battles fight though. tbh i've never figured out how to fight in a TW game, i would just sort have my dudes attack and maybe try to flank with cav. or something. but lol. The role of cavalry in Shogun TW is a lot different than in Medieval or even Empire. This game is a lot more infantry-based. Skirmish with archers, send infantry forward, get into melee, try to flank with heavy cavalry, keep general alive, send light cavalry in to chase down archers and routing infantry. Pretty simple stuff. That's what I did in Medieval II.
	Long live Carolus


Goodsbee	Jul 10 2011, 06:06 PM Post #28
life is grand :) Posts: 5,199 Group: A414A Member Member #105 Joined: July 20, 2008	Incog Jul 10 2011, 05:52 PM laptop gfx cards mostly suck dick. also annoying is that they can't be upgraded either. shame shame shame i beg to differ mah "gaming laptop" is great :P



Vondongo	Jul 10 2011, 06:06 PM Post #29
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	It really depends on the situation, and the terrain. If you're defending on a hill or in the woods, it's better to keep heavy infantry forward and archers in the back, since their range matters less. On an open battlefield, it's a lot like I said, although again, cavalry (especially in the very beginning) is pretty poor for most situations. Yari ashigaru (which anyone can train at the start of the game) can easily kill a general's bodyguard 1v1 in this game unlike in Medieval, where spear militia lost to everything in melee except for cavalry archers and other spear militia.



Incog	Jul 10 2011, 06:07 PM Post #30
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	well yeah gaming laptops are made to fun games so they'd better be good at that sort of shit lawl
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