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Protect Your Rights
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Atilia/Tyranitar	Aug 2 2011, 10:42 PM Post #31
Major Posts: 1,201 Group: A414A Member Member #15 Joined: December 17, 2007	DragonLegend Aug 2 2011, 04:58 AM Everything I say about you is based on what I know you've said or done. I don't pretend to be omniscient. If you don't want people to think you're stupid based on stupid things you say, don't say stupid things. Here is what you said: "the Police's goal is more to arrest people than protect them. They clean up the mess afterward but overall they should be feared and not trusted." Technically the first part is true, but your argument seems to be that the police intends to harm, not benefit, the people, which is something a stupid and/or ungrateful person would believe. You have a point, they don't intend harm but if you think about it they should be feared. They have the power to ruin your life, and they are humans just like you or me. Some of them have worse ethical codes than the average Joe(the ones you should fear), some may have better ones. The point is they are not demigods. There is no microchip in their brains that makes them totally ethical. The fact that officers have to power to do unethical things and often get away with it is what scares me. Most officers aren't pigs, but there will always be those couple of assholes who don't give a shit about morality, and they are protected to a certain extent in doing so. And while the goal of their job is to protect people, they are more often cleaning up the mess than stopping it, because they can't be everywhere at once. They can't stop the serial killer from murdering someone in their sleep. They can go catch the killer and prevent him from doing it again, but they can't prevent the first murder from happening. Which is why people should protect themselves, because the popo won't always be there to save you. From most of my experiences, most police are spending their time either fighting drugs or dealing with minor traffic violations. They're doing petty little things that aren't super important. I got a ticket about a month ago for turning left at a right only stop sign. The left only signs were not clearly visible, and it was dark out side. He was waiting for me someone to turn left, and pulled me over. We talked and he gave me the ticket and he said that it was a right only sign because during rush hour it would get too congested. The thing is, it was 11:45 at night. It caused no problems, no one was around. I was not driving in a dangerous manner, and I broke a law designed to curtail to convenience instead of safety. Instead of doing something worthwhile, this cop was sitting around at midnight waiting for someone to turn left at a right only sign. Really? A city, where about 25 people die per year from gangbanging, is safe enough that all our police need to protect is traffic signs? There wasn't anything better for him to do? This baffles me. Also, citizens cannot lie to the police, yet the police can lie to citizens all they want. You lie to a police officer and they catch you, you're fucked. They lie to you, it's for the good of the order. I see how in some situations they would have to lie to catch murderers etc, but that's a power that they hold over me which I am not comfortable with. I guess I am a little bit ungrateful of the police. They do risk their lives for a my safety, and many have died in the line of duty. They prevent criminals and gangsters from taking over the world, people who are much more evil and corrupt than them. I just dislike how they work and the powers that they have, and wanted to show other forumers how to avoid bad situations with the police.
	Jack the IV How the fuck is she gonna find out? I post pictures of my dog on here, it's the same thing, both are bitches. Jack the IV Cause arm-penises are way cooler. B)


DragonLegend	Aug 2 2011, 11:19 PM Post #32
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	A few things to say. - I agree people shouldn't depend on the police for protection, which is one of the reasons I support gun rights. Plus, the courts have repeatedly said that the police's job is to enforce the law, not protect people. - Cops are just doing their jobs. They don't get to decide what to do or which laws to enforce. Your problem is with the bureaucracy, not individual cops. - Of course there are bad apples in the police, who abuse their powers or are terrible at their jobs. But you made it seem as if you were attacking the police in general, not rogue cops.



Atilia/Tyranitar	Aug 3 2011, 02:59 AM Post #33
Major Posts: 1,201 Group: A414A Member Member #15 Joined: December 17, 2007	DragonLegend Aug 2 2011, 11:19 PM A few things to say. - I agree people shouldn't depend on the police for protection, which is one of the reasons I support gun rights. Plus, the courts have repeatedly said that the police's job is to enforce the law, not protect people. - Cops are just doing their jobs. They don't get to decide what to do or which laws to enforce. Your problem is with the bureaucracy, not individual cops. - Of course there are bad apples in the police, who abuse their powers or are terrible at their jobs. But you made it seem as if you were attacking the police in general, not rogue cops. I agree I dislike the system more than the individuals. I don't like the way lying and using subliminal tactics is a normal part of the job, something that most cops do. While they may not be crooked, the tactics they often use are somewhat shady. The fact that that is the standard is what I dislike.
	Jack the IV How the fuck is she gonna find out? I post pictures of my dog on here, it's the same thing, both are bitches. Jack the IV Cause arm-penises are way cooler. B)


Big Richard	Aug 3 2011, 04:19 AM Post #34
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Incog Aug 2 2011, 09:03 AM cuba must suck also what's the revolution guy tee shirt i keep seeing everywhere. it's a face of a guy with a beard, generally black on red, who's some cuban dude who's a revolutionary? enlighten me boys Ernesto "Che" Guevara he is one of the revolutionary heroes of the Cuban revolution which ousted Batista and the mafia along with him from Cuba. Cuba went from a rich person's paradise to a place Cubans can call home. Also Dragon I said "cuba?" because I want to know your source to back up your statement. Also can I see the source you have for those funny stories about Che?



Jack the IV	Aug 3 2011, 06:10 AM Post #35
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Cubans come to Florida in the masses, in any possible way they can. I hardly doubt their "home" is a pleasurable place to live.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Jam	Aug 3 2011, 01:15 PM Post #36
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Castro is a traitor.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 3 2011, 04:10 PM Post #37
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	In cuba a US dollar will buy you all you could need.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


DragonLegend	Aug 3 2011, 05:14 PM Post #38
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 3 2011, 04:19 AM Incog Aug 2 2011, 09:03 AM cuba must suck also what's the revolution guy tee shirt i keep seeing everywhere. it's a face of a guy with a beard, generally black on red, who's some cuban dude who's a revolutionary? enlighten me boys Ernesto "Che" Guevara he is one of the revolutionary heroes of the Cuban revolution which ousted Batista and the mafia along with him from Cuba. Cuba went from a rich person's paradise to a place Cubans can call home. Also Dragon I said "cuba?" because I want to know your source to back up your statement. Also can I see the source you have for those funny stories about Che? What statement? I don't know what you're referring to, exactly, but search engines are your friends.



Big Richard	Aug 4 2011, 02:14 AM Post #39
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 3 2011, 05:14 PM Big Richard Aug 3 2011, 04:19 AM Incog Aug 2 2011, 09:03 AM cuba must suck also what's the revolution guy tee shirt i keep seeing everywhere. it's a face of a guy with a beard, generally black on red, who's some cuban dude who's a revolutionary? enlighten me boys Ernesto "Che" Guevara he is one of the revolutionary heroes of the Cuban revolution which ousted Batista and the mafia along with him from Cuba. Cuba went from a rich person's paradise to a place Cubans can call home. Also Dragon I said "cuba?" because I want to know your source to back up your statement. Also can I see the source you have for those funny stories about Che? What statement? I don't know what you're referring to, exactly, but search engines are your friends. your statement that Cuba has corrupt policemen as do other countries like Syria. And your source for reading the funny stories about Che. and jack, Cubans come to the US probably for better opportunity, but that doesn't mean Cuba isn't better for Cubans than when Batista and the mafia were in power. People come from Canada to the US as well as thousands of different places.. doesn't mean they can't consider their country livable, its simply because the US has a higher standard of living.



Jack the IV	Aug 4 2011, 03:24 AM Post #40
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Dude people come on blow up rafts. They must be pretty desperate to take those measures...
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Jam	Aug 4 2011, 04:01 AM Post #41
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Fun.
	Long live Carolus


Atilia/Tyranitar	Aug 4 2011, 04:36 AM Post #42
Major Posts: 1,201 Group: A414A Member Member #15 Joined: December 17, 2007	Dragon I have a question. I hardly ever post here anymore but from what i remember you used to basically spam, now it seems all your posts are thought out and relevant. What happened? Although you were quick to insult me, which is rude, your posts are eons different from the Dragon I remembered, and I respect that.
	Jack the IV How the fuck is she gonna find out? I post pictures of my dog on here, it's the same thing, both are bitches. Jack the IV Cause arm-penises are way cooler. B)


Big Richard	Aug 4 2011, 06:26 AM Post #43
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Jack the IV Aug 4 2011, 03:24 AM Dude people come on blow up rafts. They must be pretty desperate to take those measures... why not just research how Cuba was before Batista left and compare living conditions after he left



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 4 2011, 06:28 AM Post #44
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Atilia/Tyranitar Aug 4 2011, 04:36 AM Dragon I have a question. I hardly ever post here anymore but from what i remember you used to basically spam, now it seems all your posts are thought out and relevant. What happened? Although you were quick to insult me, which is rude, your posts are eons different from the Dragon I remembered, and I respect that. Believe me, we're all equally perplexed.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jack the IV	Aug 4 2011, 06:50 AM Post #45
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 4 2011, 06:26 AM Jack the IV Aug 4 2011, 03:24 AM Dude people come on blow up rafts. They must be pretty desperate to take those measures... why not just research how Cuba was before Batista left and compare living conditions after he left It's just the lesser of two evils. It's like saying Tom kills 100 people every year but Jim only kills 75 every year so living under Jim is much better.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


DragonLegend	Aug 4 2011, 05:56 PM Post #46
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 4 2011, 02:14 AM DragonLegend Aug 3 2011, 05:14 PM Big Richard Aug 3 2011, 04:19 AM Incog Aug 2 2011, 09:03 AM cuba must suck also what's the revolution guy tee shirt i keep seeing everywhere. it's a face of a guy with a beard, generally black on red, who's some cuban dude who's a revolutionary? enlighten me boys Ernesto "Che" Guevara he is one of the revolutionary heroes of the Cuban revolution which ousted Batista and the mafia along with him from Cuba. Cuba went from a rich person's paradise to a place Cubans can call home. Also Dragon I said "cuba?" because I want to know your source to back up your statement. Also can I see the source you have for those funny stories about Che? What statement? I don't know what you're referring to, exactly, but search engines are your friends. your statement that Cuba has corrupt policemen as do other countries like Syria. And your source for reading the funny stories about Che. and jack, Cubans come to the US probably for better opportunity, but that doesn't mean Cuba isn't better for Cubans than when Batista and the mafia were in power. People come from Canada to the US as well as thousands of different places.. doesn't mean they can't consider their country livable, its simply because the US has a higher standard of living. Sadly, anything I say will simply spark another days-long discussion, and I don't have time for that, since I'll be leaving soon. If you're truly interested, though, do some research on Che's Bolivian campaign, what he said when he was captured, and how he actually actually killed the people he killed (hint: it wasn't during battle).



DragonLegend	Aug 4 2011, 05:57 PM Post #47
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Atilia/Tyranitar Aug 4 2011, 04:36 AM Dragon I have a question. I hardly ever post here anymore but from what i remember you used to basically spam, now it seems all your posts are thought out and relevant. What happened? Although you were quick to insult me, which is rude, your posts are eons different from the Dragon I remembered, and I respect that. I was 13.



DragonLegend	Aug 4 2011, 05:59 PM Post #48
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Jack the IV Aug 4 2011, 06:50 AM Big Richard Aug 4 2011, 06:26 AM Jack the IV Aug 4 2011, 03:24 AM Dude people come on blow up rafts. They must be pretty desperate to take those measures... why not just research how Cuba was before Batista left and compare living conditions after he left It's just the lesser of two evils. It's like saying Tom kills 100 people every year but Jim only kills 75 every year so living under Jim is much better. Don't fall for the propaganda. Pre-Castro Cuba was a far better place, one of the top countries in the world in fact.



Big Richard	Aug 4 2011, 06:22 PM Post #49
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 4 2011, 05:56 PM Big Richard Aug 4 2011, 02:14 AM DragonLegend Aug 3 2011, 05:14 PM Big Richard Aug 3 2011, 04:19 AM Incog Aug 2 2011, 09:03 AM cuba must suck also what's the revolution guy tee shirt i keep seeing everywhere. it's a face of a guy with a beard, generally black on red, who's some cuban dude who's a revolutionary? enlighten me boys Ernesto "Che" Guevara he is one of the revolutionary heroes of the Cuban revolution which ousted Batista and the mafia along with him from Cuba. Cuba went from a rich person's paradise to a place Cubans can call home. Also Dragon I said "cuba?" because I want to know your source to back up your statement. Also can I see the source you have for those funny stories about Che? What statement? I don't know what you're referring to, exactly, but search engines are your friends. your statement that Cuba has corrupt policemen as do other countries like Syria. And your source for reading the funny stories about Che. and jack, Cubans come to the US probably for better opportunity, but that doesn't mean Cuba isn't better for Cubans than when Batista and the mafia were in power. People come from Canada to the US as well as thousands of different places.. doesn't mean they can't consider their country livable, its simply because the US has a higher standard of living. Sadly, anything I say will simply spark another days-long discussion, and I don't have time for that, since I'll be leaving soon. If you're truly interested, though, do some research on Che's Bolivian campaign, what he said when he was captured, and how he actually actually killed the people he killed (hint: it wasn't during battle). you can't even link me to your sources that you seemingly always have? and I watched two 3-5 hour documentaries all about Che and also the cuban revolution, and I have done 2 research papers about him. I have never heard of these "funny stories" except from books written by people who hate Marxists and therefore despise Che and downright lie about him. That is why I'm asking for your sources so I can see if I'm missing out on info. Also about the "propaganda" its funny you would say that because its actually Western propaganda always tries to label Castro, Chavez, Pinera and others as evil people that "ruined" the "prosperity" of their nations. Research the improvements in living conditions for the people, research mob rule in Cuba and Batista's role in all of it, research US economic imperialism in Latin America. You have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that you labeled pro-castro facts as propaganda is something straight out of the garbage spewed on Fox News and their opinion shows. Please get off the internet and read an educational book or watch an educational movie. You can't even compare the economic status of Cuba post-Batista because of the countless trade embargo's the US initiated. After Batista (a bloody dictator connected with organized crime at home and abroad and supported by the US) is ousted the US tries numerous times to invade and assassinate the man responsible for freeing Cuba. If you're saying Cuba is worse off with Castro than Batista you honestly have no idea about Cuba's history.



DragonLegend	Aug 4 2011, 06:28 PM Post #50
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Sadly, I have neither the time nor the inclination to discuss this with you. The truth is out there, and so are you, apparently.



Big Richard	Aug 5 2011, 05:46 PM Post #51
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9jhGiIAFM I have read the facts, obviously you haven't which is why you still can't give me two simple links to your sources.



DragonLegend	Aug 5 2011, 06:09 PM Post #52
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Unwillingness is not inability, stupid. You're a stranger on the Internet with fringe beliefs. Your useful idiocy (look it up) neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, as Jefferson would say, and judging by our former 'debates', it would be futile to attempt to change your views. So why in the world would I even bother? If it were someone I respect asking me for evidence, I would be happy to deliver. But you? Are you kidding? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me six times, shame on me. You're not interested in debate.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 5 2011, 06:30 PM Post #53
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	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


DragonLegend	Aug 5 2011, 06:51 PM Post #54
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 5 2011, 06:30 PM



Jack the IV	Aug 5 2011, 06:59 PM Post #55
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	DRAGON LEGENDOUS
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Big Richard	Aug 6 2011, 06:51 AM Post #56
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 5 2011, 06:09 PM DERP sorry did you say you can't back up your false statements so you went on an unrelated tangent? Oh right, I expected that seeing how you have biased sources.



DragonLegend	Aug 6 2011, 08:59 AM Post #57
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	No. Actually, I wrote a paragraph explaining why that's not the case. I've manage to destroy you in literally every single discussion here, so that explains why you keep trying to provoke me. Haters zullen haten.



Big Richard	Aug 6 2011, 07:36 PM Post #58
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lmao is inflating your ego even higher another one of your defense mechanisms when you get confronted on your bullshit?



DragonLegend	Aug 6 2011, 08:28 PM Post #59
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	The facts speak for themselves. You've never proven me wrong on anything, while I time after time destroyed your petty arguments with facts. You should be grateful I even take the time to respond to you. Your fringe views have pretty much destroyed whatever credibility you once had. Most people in the country would mock and humiliate you for the nonsense you believe in.



Big Richard	Aug 6 2011, 09:09 PM Post #60
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Big Richard Aug 6 2011, 07:36 PM lmao is inflating your ego even higher another one of your defense mechanisms when you get confronted on your bullshit?



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