DragonLegend

Aug 8 2011, 04:29 AM

Hyperactive Jam

Aug 8 2011, 04:34 AM

DragonLegend

Aug 8 2011, 04:29 AM

I have the weirdest boner.

Big Richard

Aug 8 2011, 04:35 AM

Col. Nathan Jessep

 

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...

You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty... We use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

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Obviously not every single soldier is a rapist, but they're certainly all are murderers (unless they're not doing their job right). It's not a few bad apples its more like a few good apples that don't stand out. I know this because I actually live in America and I know who joins the military. It comprises mostly of uneducated, poor, country kids that join the military and come from racist families and end up in the Middle East. Here is are some examples of such a people and I can assure you these are the majority of those that join the military : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUg-bdE7M70&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki17673d_Qk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHWaUSfYj8&feature=related Now there are exceptions of course but this IS the majority

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 07:18 AM

Patriotism is a destructive thing to possess, and is of little benefit to humanity, and for that reason I despise it. Any person who is veraciously patriotic is mournfully foolish, and belongs to a society that has not existed for thousands of years.

Incog

Aug 8 2011, 09:06 PM

nice.

i'm passing the theory for the driver's licence atm. it takes a lot of time to get it done though.

Hyperactive Jam

Aug 8 2011, 10:56 PM

Incog

Aug 8 2011, 09:06 PM

nice.

i'm passing the theory for the driver's licence atm. it takes a lot of time to get it done though.

I just had to walk in and write a 20 question multiple choice test to get a licence.

Hyperactive Jam

Aug 9 2011, 01:02 PM

I don't get how it takes a few months to finish a 40 question test.

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 12:28 PM

Let me tell you of my impression of patriotism; to me, patriotism is the conviction that leads us to support a country, and in doing so, the government that controls it, the laws that uphold it, and the people that are within it. In its very substance, it is therefore no different from the incentive that fuels such loyalties to things such as religions; loyalties to plots of land, to scraps of paper, and to coloured tapestries, otherwise known as, "Flags," which may, "Represent," a nation in its whole - a characteristic that is primitive in its essence.

To say, "I am proud to be America; god bless by nation," is to speak out of this primitive essence, whch may at one time have compelled us to be committed to a tribe or to a chieftain, and it engenders an alienation between such an American citizen, and a man born in Libya, for example. The alienation is inevitable, of course, once it is considered that they are cultivated in different environments entirely, but you must understand that it is the notion of patriotism that confers the seperatist ambition which enriches this disparity to lamentable extremes. The more vehement of patriots who declare, "I love my country," are in no prepossesion to love any other; it is as though the foreigner is more than merely foreign, but originates from a different strain of human entirely, and possesses a different strain of thought, which make it impossible for him to be welcomed cordially.

I have every reason to understand that a man might be ambitious to preserve his nation, as it is the region in which he was born, and is the territory that he is fondest of - it is the sort of thing that I can admire. What I cannot justify is this very same patriotism leading people to consider themselves, perhaps I should say, separate from other nations around them, so that a man from Libya is not only one from a different nation, but one whose presence marks an intrusion.

And then there is patriotism and its injurious evocation of wars, in which case it becomes either, "My country, right or wrong," which is heroic, but at the same time annihilates an individual reserve, and, to some extent, freewill, or, "My country is always right," which is an imbecile's conviction. Will your patriotism for your nation induce you to fight foreign wars, where it is not your nation's security, but your nation's aspirations that are at issue? Will your patriotism lead you to tyrannise a smaller nation because it is your nation that demands it? History argues that it must be so, and I despair of it entirely; I despair of it.

I've more to say on this matter, but I have to go eat this melon.

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 11:49 AM

I think that way because patriotism has caused more wars and more tyrannies than any other human feature.

DragonLegend

Aug 9 2011, 10:16 PM

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 12:28 PM

Let me tell you of my impression of patriotism; to me, patriotism is the conviction that leads us to support a country, and in doing so, the government that controls it, the laws that uphold it, and the people that are within it. In its very substance, it is therefore no different from the incentive that fuels such loyalties to things such as religions; loyalties to plots of land, to scraps of paper, and to coloured tapestries, otherwise known as, "Flags," which may, "Represent," a nation in its whole - a characteristic that is primitive in its essence.

To say, "I am proud to be America; god bless by nation," is to speak out of this primitive essence, whch may at one time have compelled us to be committed to a tribe or to a chieftain, and it engenders an alienation between such an American citizen, and a man born in Libya, for example. The alienation is inevitable, of course, once it is considered that they are cultivated in different environments entirely, but you must understand that it is the notion of patriotism that confers the seperatist ambition which enriches this disparity to lamentable extremes. The more vehement of patriots who declare, "I love my country," are in no prepossesion to love any other; it is as though the foreigner is more than merely foreign, but originates from a different strain of human entirely, and possesses a different strain of thought, which make it impossible for him to be welcomed cordially.

I have every reason to understand that a man might be ambitious to preserve his nation, as it is the region in which he was born, and is the territory that he is fondest of - it is the sort of thing that I can admire. What I cannot justify is this very same patriotism leading people to consider themselves, perhaps I should say, separate from other nations around them, so that a man from Libya is not only one from a different nation, but one whose presence marks an intrusion.

And then there is patriotism and its injurious evocation of wars, in which case it becomes either, "My country, right or wrong," which is heroic, but at the same time annihilates an individual reserve, and, to some extent, freewill, or, "My country is always right," which is an imbecile's conviction. Will your patriotism for your nation induce you to fight foreign wars, where it is not your nation's security, but your nation's aspirations that are at issue? Will your patriotism lead you to tyrannise a smaller nation because it is your nation that demands it? History argues that it must be so, and I despair of it entirely; I despair of it.

I've more to say on this matter, but I have to go eat this melon.

That's nationalism, not patriotism.

gs

Aug 10 2011, 03:42 AM

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 11:49 AM

I think that way because patriotism has caused more wars and more tyrannies than any other human feature.

religion.

but i agree about patriotism.

edit: brb change name. incog you pos

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 10 2011, 07:30 AM

DragonLegend

Aug 9 2011, 10:16 PM

Ultra-Musketeer

Aug 8 2011, 12:28 PM

Let me tell you of my impression of patriotism; to me, patriotism is the conviction that leads us to support a country, and in doing so, the government that controls it, the laws that uphold it, and the people that are within it. In its very substance, it is therefore no different from the incentive that fuels such loyalties to things such as religions; loyalties to plots of land, to scraps of paper, and to coloured tapestries, otherwise known as, "Flags," which may, "Represent," a nation in its whole - a characteristic that is primitive in its essence.

To say, "I am proud to be America; god bless by nation," is to speak out of this primitive essence, whch may at one time have compelled us to be committed to a tribe or to a chieftain, and it engenders an alienation between such an American citizen, and a man born in Libya, for example. The alienation is inevitable, of course, once it is considered that they are cultivated in different environments entirely, but you must understand that it is the notion of patriotism that confers the seperatist ambition which enriches this disparity to lamentable extremes. The more vehement of patriots who declare, "I love my country," are in no prepossesion to love any other; it is as though the foreigner is more than merely foreign, but originates from a different strain of human entirely, and possesses a different strain of thought, which make it impossible for him to be welcomed cordially.

I have every reason to understand that a man might be ambitious to preserve his nation, as it is the region in which he was born, and is the territory that he is fondest of - it is the sort of thing that I can admire. What I cannot justify is this very same patriotism leading people to consider themselves, perhaps I should say, separate from other nations around them, so that a man from Libya is not only one from a different nation, but one whose presence marks an intrusion.

And then there is patriotism and its injurious evocation of wars, in which case it becomes either, "My country, right or wrong," which is heroic, but at the same time annihilates an individual reserve, and, to some extent, freewill, or, "My country is always right," which is an imbecile's conviction. Will your patriotism for your nation induce you to fight foreign wars, where it is not your nation's security, but your nation's aspirations that are at issue? Will your patriotism lead you to tyrannise a smaller nation because it is your nation that demands it? History argues that it must be so, and I despair of it entirely; I despair of it.

I've more to say on this matter, but I have to go eat this melon.

That's nationalism, not patriotism.

Patriotism is an affection; nay, an attachment; to one's country, to such an intensity that it drives one to do much in the interests of its preservation. How does this differ from nationalism? They are each morally similar concepts; Nationalism is simply the notion of belonging to a nation - something that has scarcely existed for 200 years - and patriotism is that very same thing but enriched to a detrimental extreme.

So stop trying to argue definitions in an effort to make people feel disaffected; it distracts from the essence of an argument - although in this case, it less of an argument more than it is an imposition of conceit.