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Protect Your Rights
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Jam	Aug 12 2011, 08:12 PM Post #151
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 12 2011, 08:13 AM I didn't say not waving the flag was pacifism. I was talking about German society. Merkel has nothing to do with this. The fact of the matter is (pay attention, Incog): an evil, dangerous man is no longer in this world. There are three possible reactions to this. 1) Glad that the free world and innocent people in general can't be harmed by Bin Laden anymore. 2) Indifferent (high, unaware of terrorism or world politics, emotionally damaged, or too self-centered to care about anything in the world). 3) Grief. Pick one. Wow it's like you just skimmed over my post. If you don't think that flying the flag had anything to do with pacifism then why did you respond to it being illegal to fly the flag by calling it militant pacifism? Also, if it is a non-combat role then why have German troops participated in battles with the Taliban? Yes it does have to do with Merkel because she is the one that made the comments that people were angry about and that a judge filed a complaint over, duh. People misinterpreted, deliberately or otherwise, that she was expressing pleasure towards Bin Laden's death. What she meant was that she is glad that Bin Laden cannot cause any more suffering.
	Long live Carolus


Vondongo	Aug 12 2011, 10:03 PM Post #152
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Aug 12 2011, 08:12 PM Wow it's like you just skimmed over my post.



DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 10:19 PM Post #153
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Aug 12 2011, 08:12 PM Wow it's like you just skimmed over my post. If you don't think that flying the flag had anything to do with pacifism then why did you respond to it being illegal to fly the flag by calling it militant pacifism? Also, if it is a non-combat role then why have German troops participated in battles with the Taliban? Both Jack and I were talking about German society. He was talking about their lack of patriotism, I was talking about their pacifism. German troops have died because they've seen combat. That doesn't mean they're combat troops. Less than a dozen nations have actually authorized their troops to be in harm's way and participate in combat operations. The US, the UK, Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, and France are responsible for almost all combat in the war. Germany is notorious for not helping the Canadians and the Dutch in the South. http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/afghan/articles/20080319.aspx Quote: There are 78,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan. The 28,000 Americans are all allowed to fight, but most of the 50,000 NATO personnel are restricted in how they can be used. It has been this way for years, and the nations that allow their troops to fight (like Britain, Canada, Denmark, Romania, Estonia, the Netherlands, and non-NATO Australia), are getting angrier at those who will not (especially Germany, which has a large force that is forbidden from going after the Taliban). Germans mostly have a non-combat role in the North, I believe. Note: that doesn't men they don't see combat from time to time. Quote: The task of the German forces is to assist the Afghan government with security and reconstruction in the four northern provinces of Kunduz, Takhar, Baghlan and Badakhshan. Germany leads the Provincial Reconstruction Teams in the provinces of Kunduz and Badakhshan. The mandate issued by the Bundestag does not allow the Bundeswehr to take part in combat operations against the Taliban insurgency in the south and east of Afghanistan, other than in exceptional circumstances. Even if Germany's role and contribution was no different than America's, what would that prove? It wouldn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Germans have opposed their country's involvement in the war since the beginning. Pacifism, Jam, pacifism. Quote: Yes it does have to do with Merkel because she is the one that made the comments that people were angry about and that a judge filed a complaint over, duh. People misinterpreted, deliberately or otherwise, that she was expressing pleasure towards Bin Laden's death. What she meant was that she is glad that Bin Laden cannot cause any more suffering. That's what being glad Bin Laden is dead means. We're glad because he can't hurt us anymore. Why do Germans think this is not a good thing? A majority don't even think killing him, as opposed to arresting and trying him, was legitimate. Again, militant pacifism.



Big Richard	Aug 13 2011, 12:04 AM Post #154
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Jam	Aug 13 2011, 12:25 AM Post #155
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Quote: German troops have died because they've seen combat. That doesn't mean they're combat troops. Less than a dozen nations have actually authorized their troops to be in harm's way and participate in combat operations. The US, the UK, Canada, the Netherlands, Australia, and France are responsible for almost all combat in the war. Germany is notorious for not helping the Canadians and the Dutch in the South. Whether or not they seek out the Taliban, they are there to use violence against the Taliban. Quote: Even if Germany's role and contribution was no different than America's, what would that prove? It wouldn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Germans have opposed their country's involvement in the war since the beginning. Pacifism, Jam, pacifism. Opposition to a war is not pacifism. Pacifism is the belief that violence is never justified, even in self defence; or the refusal to use violence under any circumstance. Quote: That's what being glad Bin Laden is dead means. We're glad because he can't hurt us anymore. Why do Germans think this is not a good thing? A majority don't even think killing him, as opposed to arresting and trying him, was legitimate. Again, militant pacifism. Yeah that's what it means and people misinterpreted. Yes a lot of people think that Osama should have been brought to trial instead of shot then and there. So what? They brought Saddam to trial, and Nazis. Quote: There are three possible reactions to this. 1) Glad that the free world and innocent people in general can't be harmed by Bin Laden anymore. 2) Indifferent (high, unaware of terrorism or world politics, emotionally damaged, or too self-centered to care about anything in the world). 3) Grief. Btw there are other possible reactions. For example: 4)Relief 5)Anger
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Aug 13 2011, 04:50 PM Post #156
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Aug 13 2011, 12:25 AM Whether or not they seek out the Taliban, they are there to use violence against the Taliban. Maybe they should actually do that more often, then. Going to Afghanistan and staying in the relatively safe areas while other countries' troops fight and die elsewhere is not my idea of war. The reason they don't want their troops to fight is because Germans are pacifists, and heavy casualties would result in electoral losses. That's how it is in many European countries. Quote: Opposition to a war is not pacifism. Pacifism is the belief that violence is never justified, even in self defence; or the refusal to use violence under any circumstance. I know what pacifism is. Name one actual war Germans have supported in recent years. If you can't even support a civilizational, existential war between the West and radical Islamism, what war can you support? We're not talking individual, Ghandi-like pacifism here. I'm sure if a German guy was punched or some such, he would retaliate. Quote: Yeah that's what it means and people misinterpreted. Yes a lot of people think that Osama should have been brought to trial instead of shot then and there. So what? They brought Saddam to trial, and Nazis. There's nothing to misinterpret. They said bin Laden's death is not cause for joy (i.e., not a good thing, but not necessarily a bad thing either), not "I disagree with Merkel." They don't think killing him was legitimate at all. As in, they believe the US had no right to kill him. It's not like they believe either killing or trying him would've been fine but trying him would've been the better choice. Quote: Btw there are other possible reactions. 4)Relief 5)Anger 4 and 5 should be covered by 1 and 3, respectively. Maybe I should've used different words, but 1 is supposed to describe good feelings in general, and 3 the very opposite of that.



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