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When I die; this is what i'm going to get
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 11 2011, 07:17 AM (3,395 Views)
Jack the IV	Aug 11 2011, 07:17 AM Post #1
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	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 11 2011, 07:53 AM Post #2
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	...?
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 11 2011, 08:38 AM Post #3
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	I don't get it either. When I die, I'm going to be incinerated and then buried in the roots of a nice tree. Got that idea from you Jack I believe. It is of my opinon that spending the rest of my days in a small coffin when I'm half claustrophobic... depressing. What if I become a zombie and need to get out? Zombie or not I'm going to hate that coffin. At least incineration removes all doubt that you're nice and dead.That I'll still be around, just in a weird way. For a similar reason whenever I'm mixing cement (it happens now and then), I spit into the mix so that my genes are whatever I'm building. It's a nice way to last even if no one knows.
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


Jack the IV	Aug 11 2011, 09:13 AM Post #4
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	I don't recall that idea, but it sounds like a decent one :)
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


gs	Aug 11 2011, 09:51 AM Post #5
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	wtf is that about jack



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 11 2011, 05:58 PM Post #6
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Seven AM waking up in the morning gotta be fresh gotta go downstairs gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jack the IV	Aug 11 2011, 06:22 PM Post #7
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	I will not have accomplished anything notable so I will receive this award for participating in the game of life.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Atilia/Tyranitar	Aug 12 2011, 02:40 AM Post #8
Major Posts: 1,201 Group: A414A Member Member #15 Joined: December 17, 2007	Jack the IV Aug 11 2011, 06:22 PM I will not have accomplished anything notable so I will receive this award for participating in the game of life. Its a shame you think that way
	Jack the IV How the fuck is she gonna find out? I post pictures of my dog on here, it's the same thing, both are bitches. Jack the IV Cause arm-penises are way cooler. B)


Jam	Aug 12 2011, 02:45 AM Post #9
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	I'll make you a general in my army, Jack; you can instruct young men of how to properly die on my behalf.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 12 2011, 06:03 AM Post #10
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	But how do you win wars by dying?
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 12 2011, 07:27 AM Post #11
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Atilia/Tyranitar Aug 12 2011, 02:40 AM Jack the IV Aug 11 2011, 06:22 PM I will not have accomplished anything notable so I will receive this award for participating in the game of life. Its a shame you think that way I agree with this..... there's always something you can do to leave your mark upon the world before you enter the void. Just have to look hard enough. You win wars by dying by killing more dudes than the headcount you represent upon dying, I believe. I'm pretty sure that surviving should be pretty high up on any soldier's list of shit to do in a war... not that I would know considering my youth. It's just that, when millions of people are both intent on killing each other for their country, it's hard for anyone on either side to not die. If I am, that's the unfortunate thing about human nature. Human nature is completely natural when you think about it. My thoughts here are somewhat parallel to those of Nietzsche or someone else from my previous year whose work I read (unwillingly a Saturday morning). In nature, animals always attempt to survive and reproduce. When they can do both of these things unhampered, they explode demographically (or is that reserved to humans?) and cause damage to their surroundings. Australia vs rabbits anyone? Anyway, thing is, humans have done just that. Considering how successful we've been at adapting ourselves on this dear earth of ours, we're now causing damage to our surroundings, which is the planet as it is. It would be unnatural if we didn't... and it's unnatural we're making attempts to minimize the damage we wrought on our planet. We're no doubt at a learning stage; doing something unprecedented in the history of our world. What does this have to do with war? In the absence of a proper opponent, and the relatively small size of our planet, humans have started fighting each other. Peaceful cooperation between us, with so little space and no one else to fight, is unfortunately something that is beyond reality for us. Humans bicker with each other (or more accurately slaughter each other by the millions) because that is the natural thing to do. It is how predators in the wild work, fighting for hunting and mating territory. It's just that we've had time to establish more devastating methods than an old fashion brawl and the peeing on a tree. There is peace now, you say. I'm afraid it won't last and I'm very afraid of the consequences. Heed my words. Just as before the second World War, there is a global recession upon us. In the 1920's, no one seriously considered the possibility of war. In 1929 the Recession. In 1939, the Second World War. If I may make this slight parallel, in the 2010's, no one seriously considered the possibility of a war. In 2011 (after 2008), a recession. China and a few eastern nations are rising in strength, much of the American debt is to them. The USA, blatant patriotism and hatred aside, is surely but slowly on a decline. They are the current peacekeepers (Kosovo?), poor peacekeepers perhaps but peacekeepers nonetheless. Tensions may start appearing, if they haven't already and the chance of a very bloody war is upon us. We are like bacteria on a petri dish I'm afraid. anywya
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 12 2011, 07:53 AM Post #12
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Quote: If life was to be annihilated, it would be for the better of it, to my belief; a blighted world such as this deserves no better than eradication, as it putrefies the serenity of existence.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Big Richard	Aug 12 2011, 08:13 AM Post #13
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lol usa "peacekeepers" ??? and whats that nonsense about it being natural for humans to kill each other in the millions?



DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 08:43 AM Post #14
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Atheist nihilism is just bubbling with joy and happiness, isn't it?



Big Richard	Aug 12 2011, 08:44 AM Post #15
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	thats just nihilism you retard what incog said has nothing to do with atheism.



DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 09:06 AM Post #16
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I'm pretty sure Incog is an atheist, and his atheism and nihilism are closely related. If you're a non-spiritual, irreligious atheist, odds are you're a nihilist as well. Hard to believe in a higher purpose when you believe humans are tiny, meaningless, insignificant, soulless accidents in a gigantic, uncaring universe, destined to mindlessly reproduce and then die.



Big Richard	Aug 12 2011, 09:18 AM Post #17
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk&feature=relmfu "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -Carl Sagan



DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 09:27 AM Post #18
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	�In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip.� -Daniel L. Reardon I can play the quotes game all week. Bonus picture:



gs	Aug 12 2011, 09:29 AM Post #19
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Jack the IV Aug 11 2011, 06:22 PM I will not have accomplished anything notable so I will receive this award for participating in the game of life. who cares what you receive when you're dead and who the fk cares about doing something notable



Big Richard	Aug 12 2011, 09:31 AM Post #20
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	http://www.alternet.org/belief/151833/the_santa_delusion_why_religion_is_useful_is_a_terrible_argument_for_religion?page=2



Incog	Aug 12 2011, 10:12 AM Post #21
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Big Richard Aug 12 2011, 08:13 AM lol usa "peacekeepers" ??? and whats that nonsense about it being natural for humans to kill each other in the millions? of course they were peacekeepers. they weren't terribly good at it, but then, who is? they (Kennedy especially) avoided WW3 quite a few times with our soviet pals, which is as much as anyone could have asked, considering the world wide tension. yes there was vietnam and korea and all that crappy shit. unavoidable... considering soviet imperialism. it is my belief that the USA did as much as it was possible to do for peace. and yes, it's natural for humans to kill each other in millions. THINK! everything points to it, unpleasant as the truth might be. how many wars and conflicts have there been? how many have been enslaved? how many conflicts are there between different communities in the same country? time and time again, there has been more warfare and outright scuffling than peace. most peace was kept only when there was a powerful entity (Rome for example) keeping everything under control. but even those couldn't last. that's because their natural instinct of conflict guides them to do so. we're still animals after all. how do you think we evolved from the primitive apes we once were? by fighting the elements and other natural predators. both have been more or less conquered. we have no more natural predator and we are resistant to all but the largest natural catastrophes. who do we fight now to evolve? each other. it's perfectly natural. what's less than natural is that we have a certain awareness that other beings don't. we can see each other from another perspective than that of our 5 senses. many are aware of the damage we do to the enviornment and we have many ideas and other shit that others don't. so we could still go somewherE... i have more to say but i cba, going to play aoeo
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


Atilia/Tyranitar	Aug 12 2011, 01:41 PM Post #22
Major Posts: 1,201 Group: A414A Member Member #15 Joined: December 17, 2007	"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer." -Anonymous
	Jack the IV How the fuck is she gonna find out? I post pictures of my dog on here, it's the same thing, both are bitches. Jack the IV Cause arm-penises are way cooler. B)


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 12 2011, 04:11 PM Post #23
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 12 2011, 08:43 AM Atheist nihilism is just bubbling with joy and happiness, isn't it? Human beings don't deserve to be happy, and the more happy we are, the more terrified we become of dying, and thus more fearful of the inevitable. It is a foolish thing to be happy. Expedience and rationality are contained within anguish - it is through dejection that one glimpses the true condition of both humanity, and the universe in which it resides; we are less than a mere consequence of creation - we are an accident. We reside in cities in which righteous misery prevails, and it is all nature to blame; and thus, it is nature that is worthy of annihilation, as much as us, for having fomented into existence the hideous aberration that we are. What do you have to say to that, Dragon?
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Aug 12 2011, 07:50 PM Post #24
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	What incog said is not nihilist.
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 10:26 PM Post #25
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Sounded pretty nihilist to me. Read between the lines. "We are bacteria. We are animals. There is no value or meaning to life. Mindlessly reproduce and die." Edited by DragonLegend, Aug 12 2011, 10:27 PM.



gs	Aug 12 2011, 10:46 PM Post #26
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	ok so what is nihilism exactly? is it just recognizing that there is no objective morality (let's take morality as an example) or actually living without morals?



DragonLegend	Aug 12 2011, 11:14 PM Post #27
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Morality, higher purpose, meaning to life.



Jam	Aug 12 2011, 11:50 PM Post #28
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 12 2011, 10:26 PM Sounded pretty nihilist to me. Read between the lines. "We are bacteria. We are animals. There is no value or meaning to life. Mindlessly reproduce and die." Okay I'll read between the lines. "We are like bacteria in a petri dish." We are stuck with a finite space to live in, and we consume more and more of the resources available to us until we use them all up. "We are animals." Yes we are. "There is no value or meaning to life. Mindlessly reproduce and die." Hmm, well...oh no, wait, he didn't say that.
	Long live Carolus


Jam	Aug 12 2011, 11:52 PM Post #29
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Nihilism is the belief that there can be no objective basis for truth.
	Long live Carolus


Big Richard	Aug 13 2011, 12:21 AM Post #30
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Incog Aug 12 2011, 10:12 AM Big Richard Aug 12 2011, 08:13 AM lol usa "peacekeepers" ??? and whats that nonsense about it being natural for humans to kill each other in the millions? of course they were peacekeepers. they weren't terribly good at it, but then, who is? they (Kennedy especially) avoided WW3 quite a few times with our soviet pals, which is as much as anyone could have asked, considering the world wide tension. yes there was vietnam and korea and all that crappy shit. unavoidable... considering soviet imperialism. it is my belief that the USA did as much as it was possible to do for peace. and yes, it's natural for humans to kill each other in millions. THINK! everything points to it, unpleasant as the truth might be. how many wars and conflicts have there been? how many have been enslaved? how many conflicts are there between different communities in the same country? time and time again, there has been more warfare and outright scuffling than peace. most peace was kept only when there was a powerful entity (Rome for example) keeping everything under control. but even those couldn't last. that's because their natural instinct of conflict guides them to do so. we're still animals after all. how do you think we evolved from the primitive apes we once were? by fighting the elements and other natural predators. both have been more or less conquered. we have no more natural predator and we are resistant to all but the largest natural catastrophes. who do we fight now to evolve? each other. it's perfectly natural. what's less than natural is that we have a certain awareness that other beings don't. we can see each other from another perspective than that of our 5 senses. many are aware of the damage we do to the enviornment and we have many ideas and other shit that others don't. so we could still go somewherE... i have more to say but i cba, going to play aoeo lol incog please you have a very limited understanding of the US history, in particular its unending list of wars fought for conquest, economic interests, so on and so forth. here's a limited timeline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcU47XHH3M&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q51NFAkmE-g It was the soviets that backed down from the cuban missile crisis, thus ending the possibility of a nuclear showdown. It is not natural for humans to kill each other. Wars and conflicts exist because of their underlying causes: money, land, power, religion. All of which are not part of human "nature". Peace is kept when there is no competition for survival between nations or greed resulting from the disparity of resources. Peace is also kept when there is no dividing force between ideologies that creates animosity. Animals kill for survival, a fox will only kill another fox if it is in desperation for food or in danger from another fox, etc. If it is natural for humans to kill each other why are you not going on a rampage after being dormant for so many years? Why is it that murderers are usually poor, mentally unstable, racist, religious extremists, or radicals? We evolved from primitive apes when we began to use tools ranging from a variety of different reasons, but the REAL big leap was when the first recorded piece of jewelry constructed purely for aesthetics was created. That is how our minds began to evolve and we transitioned to a modern society and sophistication through organization, rituals, etc. The people of the united states are not evolving in any shape or form by fighting the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no social Darwinism which you seem to believe in. It's nonsense and dangerous. Edited by Big Richard, Aug 13 2011, 12:22 AM.



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