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When I die; this is what i'm going to get
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DragonLegend	Aug 15 2011, 10:43 AM Post #121
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Read the last paragraph of the post you quoted.



Jam	Aug 21 2011, 06:26 PM Post #122
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Quote: By 'ultimately meaningless" I mean that intelligence is simply another physical quality. It's no different than eye color or clothing style. You can have it, lose it, change it, improve it. All these things are temporary, and in the larger sense, meaningless. The only thing that never changes or dies, the only thing that matters, is the soul. Intelligence comes from the physical, but it is not in itself a physical thing, and it certainly is different than eye colour. Eye colour doesn't ponder its own existence as far as I know. As for the last part I don't believe in souls and I disagree that absence of a soul means that there is no meaning in life. Quote: That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying that we should give up our intelligence and become Jersey Shore-like characters. Intelligence is good and useful in this life. What I'm saying is that a person's ultimate value is not measured by their intelligence, just as it's not measured by their other physical qualities (and intelligence is physical, not spiritual, because it's from the brain). You're intelligent. If you suffered a brain injury and lost much of your intelligence, would you be a lesser being? Less worthy of Heaven? No, you wouldn't. When you look at the big picture, the only thing that matters is your soul. If I lost much of my intelligence I would be less than myself. Let's start stripping away everything that comes from the brain. I lose my intelligence, my emotions and personality, my awareness, my senses, etc. I would not be the same person, I would not even qualify as a 'person'. If you agree that these things come from the brain then this 'soul' is hardly who I am and going to heaven would be pointless unless god has some supernatural version of my brain waiting.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 21 2011, 06:47 PM Post #123
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Quote: Eye colour doesn't ponder its own existence as far as I know :I
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Aug 21 2011, 06:54 PM Post #124
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	I swear when I looked in the mirror, my eyes winked back at me as if to say "we know the truth, but you only know what we show you".
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM Post #125
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Aug 21 2011, 06:26 PM Intelligence comes from the physical, but it is not in itself a physical thing, and it certainly is different than eye colour. Eye colour doesn't ponder its own existence as far as I know. As for the last part I don't believe in souls and I disagree that absence of a soul means that there is no meaning in life. Well, I already explained what I mean by intelligence being physical rather than spiritual, and how in a way it's no different than wealth, hair color, strength, and other physical things. We can disagree about souls and the meaning of life, but I think you're wrong. Quote: If I lost much of my intelligence I would be less than myself. Let's start stripping away everything that comes from the brain. I lose my intelligence, my emotions and personality, my awareness, my senses, etc. I would not be the same person, I would not even qualify as a 'person'. If you agree that these things come from the brain then this 'soul' is hardly who I am and going to heaven would be pointless unless god has some supernatural version of my brain waiting. I disagree. By that logic, people with Down syndrome or anything similar are inferior. The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. Edited by DragonLegend, Aug 22 2011, 05:46 PM.



Big Richard	Aug 22 2011, 07:51 PM Post #126
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lol.



_Saladin_	Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM Post #127
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground.



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM Post #128
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists?



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 05:47 AM Post #129
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Here we go.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Aug 24 2011, 06:07 AM Post #130
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Dragon has a point. If you can't say with absolute certainty that your senses are accurate then you have to accept that every reality you could possibly imagine is equally likely to be true.
	Long live Carolus


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 06:16 AM Post #131
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	That means I'm President of the United States, and this is just a dream that I'm having. I'll wake up soon and lead us to victory against the restituted Soviet Union. Edited by The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom, Aug 24 2011, 06:17 AM.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Jam	Aug 24 2011, 06:26 AM Post #132
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Quote: We can disagree about souls and the meaning of life, but I think you're wrong. I am not wrong about the fact that I find meaning in life regardless of being materialist. Quote: I disagree. By that logic, people with Down syndrome or anything similar are inferior. The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. People with Down Syndrome have inferior cognitive capacity, how insensitive. I may also point out with extreme indecency that the blind have inferior vision and that those with learning disorders are inferior at learning. Now with the highest disregard for human life I will also state that the brain dead are inferior at everything and will go as far as to say that I do not consider them people.
	Long live Carolus


Jam	Aug 24 2011, 06:27 AM Post #133
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 24 2011, 06:16 AM That means I'm President of the United States, and this is just a dream that I'm having. I'll wake up soon and lead us to victory against the restituted Soviet Union. Dude I voted for you, now you'd better wake up and get that finger back on the button.
	Long live Carolus


Big Richard	Aug 24 2011, 07:12 AM Post #134
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? "but thats just like...your opinion..man" if you want a real answer: "I think therefore I am" Edited by Big Richard, Aug 24 2011, 07:20 AM.



_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 11:46 AM Post #135
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? I was not questioning the first statement, I was questioning the second. I thought that would have been obvious.



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 11:52 AM Post #136
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Aug 24 2011, 06:26 AM I am not wrong about the fact that I find meaning in life regardless of being materialist. Okay, then. Quote: People with Down Syndrome have inferior cognitive capacity, how insensitive. I may also point out with extreme indecency that the blind have inferior vision and that those with learning disorders are inferior at learning. Now with the highest disregard for human life I will also state that the brain dead are inferior at everything and will go as far as to say that I do not consider them people. If someone were exactly the same as you, in every aspect, but far less intelligent (in every meaning of the word), would they be inferior beings to you?



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 11:54 AM Post #137
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 11:46 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? I was not questioning the first statement, I was questioning the second. I thought that would have been obvious. That doesn't change anything. I know the physical brain is unneeded in the afterlife the same way you know there's a computer somewhere near you.



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 11:55 AM Post #138
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 24 2011, 07:12 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? "but thats just like...your opinion..man" if you want a real answer: "I think therefore I am" That's not really true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticism



_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 12:05 PM Post #139
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 11:54 AM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 11:46 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? I was not questioning the first statement, I was questioning the second. I thought that would have been obvious. That doesn't change anything. I know the physical brain is unneeded in the afterlife the same way you know there's a computer somewhere near you. You know what happens in the afterlife?



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 12:07 PM Post #140
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	As much as you know your computer exists.



_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Post #141
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Explain...



Incog	Aug 24 2011, 12:23 PM Post #142
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	I understand his point. It's like saying, well your computer is the result of your senses. But it could be just something in your head. Maybe it doesn't exist. Kind of like in the Matrix. Interesting theory. But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with?
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_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 12:28 PM Post #143
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Incog Aug 24 2011, 12:23 PM I understand his point. It's like saying, well your computer is the result of your senses. But it could be just something in your head. Maybe it doesn't exist. Kind of like in the Matrix. Interesting theory. But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? I understand that point, but it's ,ironically, the point that they thought I was making at first.



Incog	Aug 24 2011, 12:54 PM Post #144
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	I dunno lol I didn't follow the conversation entirely. I just skim everything and when I read something funny I'll just post something to fuel things.
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Incog	Aug 24 2011, 12:54 PM Post #145
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	BUT I DO READ EVERYTHING
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DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM Post #146
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Explain... What Incog said, but: Quote: But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? What about divine revelation, or near-death experiences, etc.?



Ichigo1uk	Aug 24 2011, 02:01 PM Post #147
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Incog Aug 24 2011, 12:23 PM Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Incog	Aug 24 2011, 05:18 PM Post #148
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Explain... What Incog said, but: Quote: But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? What about divine revelation, or near-death experiences, etc.? coincidence & luck. I almost got trampled by a horse once. a dog saved my ass, not God. unless God sent the dog, but somehow i've got my doubts. @ ichi, rofl
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 05:56 PM Post #149
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Yeah God put that dog there to save you from the horse, which he also put there. He did it to convince you that he works in mysterious ways.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 24 2011, 07:26 PM Post #150
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	SHE MOVES, IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS OH YEAH OH YEAH OH YEAh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxcDTUMLQJI&ob=av3e
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