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When I die; this is what i'm going to get
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_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 08:24 PM Post #151
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Explain... What Incog said, but: Quote: But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? What about divine revelation, or near-death experiences, etc.? Divine revelation and NDEs are not empirical evidence. A computer is. Are you saying that these two things are equal in evidence?



Big Richard	Aug 25 2011, 03:13 AM Post #152
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 11:55 AM Big Richard Aug 24 2011, 07:12 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? "but thats just like...your opinion..man" if you want a real answer: "I think therefore I am" That's not really true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticism "Kierkegaard argues that the value of the cogito is not its logical argument, but its psychological appeal: a thought must have something that exists to think the thought. It is psychologically difficult to think "I do not exist". But as Kierkegaard argues, the proper logical flow of argument is that existence is already assumed or pre-supposed in order for thinking to occur, not that existence is concluded from that thinking."



DragonLegend	Sep 3 2011, 08:41 AM Post #153
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 08:24 PM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Explain... What Incog said, but: Quote: But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? What about divine revelation, or near-death experiences, etc.? Divine revelation and NDEs are not empirical evidence. A computer is. Are you saying that these two things are equal in evidence? Well, if you want to get technical, then since everything in existence is technically nothing but a belief, then yes.



DragonLegend	Sep 3 2011, 08:44 AM Post #154
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 25 2011, 03:13 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 11:55 AM Big Richard Aug 24 2011, 07:12 AM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 AM _Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 09:11 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:45 PM The mind as we know it is only useful in the physical world. There's no use for it in the spiritual world. How do you know? You're speculating on a speculation. The thing about this conversation that amazes me is that it's all wishful thinking and yet it's used to claim moral high ground. How do you know the computer in front of you exists? "but thats just like...your opinion..man" if you want a real answer: "I think therefore I am" That's not really true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticism "Kierkegaard argues that the value of the cogito is not its logical argument, but its psychological appeal: a thought must have something that exists to think the thought. It is psychologically difficult to think "I do not exist". But as Kierkegaard argues, the proper logical flow of argument is that existence is already assumed or pre-supposed in order for thinking to occur, not that existence is concluded from that thinking." Did you read the entire section about his critique?



_Saladin_	Sep 4 2011, 01:55 PM Post #155
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Sep 3 2011, 08:41 AM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 08:24 PM DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 01:03 PM _Saladin_ Aug 24 2011, 12:14 PM Explain... What Incog said, but: Quote: But believing in your computer's existence is more intelligent than believing in an afterlife. Your computer is palpable, you can touch it, hear it, see it, fuck it, etc.... An afterlife is nothing but an idea. What do you sense an afterlife with? What about divine revelation, or near-death experiences, etc.? Divine revelation and NDEs are not empirical evidence. A computer is. Are you saying that these two things are equal in evidence? Well, if you want to get technical, then since everything in existence is technically nothing but a belief, then yes. This goes back to what jam was saying. Quote: If you can't say with absolute certainty that your senses are accurate then you have to accept that every reality you could possibly imagine is equally likely to be true.



DragonLegend	Sep 4 2011, 05:23 PM Post #156
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	It doesn't contradict what I said.



_Saladin_	Sep 4 2011, 11:22 PM Post #157
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	I know it doesn't, it's exactly what you're saying, which is wrong. Not every reality you could possibly imagine is equally likely to be true.



Jam	Sep 6 2011, 01:33 AM Post #158
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	I was being sarcastic just so you know.
	Long live Carolus


_Saladin_	Sep 8 2011, 12:12 AM Post #159
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	You were? I thought you were protesting the idea that every reality is equally possible.



Jam	Sep 8 2011, 12:25 AM Post #160
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	I was, my statement was sarcastic.
	Long live Carolus


_Saladin_	Sep 9 2011, 10:34 PM Post #161
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	I thought your statement was pretty accurate though... You said that if you can't trust your senses then you have to assume everything's equally likely. That's true. Fortunately you can trust your senses. I don't see the sarcasm there : l



Jam	Sep 9 2011, 10:45 PM Post #162
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	Absolute certainty is the key phrase, technically you can't have absolute certainty, but that doesn't mean you should throw out observation due to absurd doubt.
	Long live Carolus


DragonLegend	Sep 10 2011, 02:36 PM Post #163
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Hyperactive Jam Sep 9 2011, 10:45 PM technically you can't have absolute certainty And there you have it, folks. There's nothing impossible about the supernatural.



Incog	Sep 10 2011, 02:53 PM Post #164
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Yet some things are more plausible than others. Take something that you can sense against something you can only believe in, and that's where the difference between god and what's real is. Reality is subjective maybe, but there's a difference between believing in something that you can sense and believing in something that remains nothing but wishful thinking. This is just going in circles, obviously.
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DragonLegend	Sep 10 2011, 03:36 PM Post #165
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	It still could be purely your imagination. The point is that there's always a chance, just as there's a chance that supernatural things are real.



gs	Sep 10 2011, 04:00 PM Post #166
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	no one said it's impossible, it's just unlikely. there's no reason to believe in the supernatural, it's just an easy way to explain everything. something we don't understand? god did it. meh. there's no need to explain everything right now, and it's naive to think we're even able to. what we 'know' comes from our observations, and because it's the reality we live in there is no reason to question it. but the more we understand the more questions there will be and that's why people will always stick with "god did it" as a back up, but it's just weak. a sign of weakness that you can't accept a reality we can't fully comprehend.



DragonLegend	Sep 10 2011, 04:26 PM Post #167
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	How do know your reality is the real reality?



gs	Sep 10 2011, 04:40 PM Post #168
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	i don't, but i don't see a reason to question it. i don't really care what the 'real' reality is because either way this is the one i have to deal with.



Jam	Sep 10 2011, 05:22 PM Post #169
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 03:36 PM It still could be purely your imagination. The point is that there's always a chance, just as there's a chance that supernatural things are real. Making up an absurd idea and saying "You can't prove it wrong" does not make it any less absurd. Imagination is not a way of knowing.
	Long live Carolus


Incog	Sep 10 2011, 05:24 PM Post #170
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 04:26 PM How do know your reality is the real reality? We can't be completely sure. That doesn't mean we should go ahead and say that "teh m0st logikal explunationz iz dat God did ti" for everything, especially when there's no reason to. I can trust my 5 senses, maybe even that 6th sense that tells you something's not right. But I can't and won't start believing in something when the only, and I repeat, ONLY foundation for that belief isn't logical fact deduced from what my senses have given me but pure belief.
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Jam	Sep 10 2011, 05:31 PM Post #171
Fruit Based Jam Posts: 7,945 Group: A414A Member Member #98 Joined: July 11, 2008	There are way more than 6 senses btw. Senses of temperature, kinesthetic sense, pain, balance, acceleration, electric fields, direction, time, sense of the position of the body relative to itself...
	Long live Carolus


Incog	Sep 10 2011, 05:33 PM Post #172
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Yeah some other ones like being able to figure out the distance between hand and nose in the dark by using your body or something. Some others like that. True that, true.
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DragonLegend	Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM Post #173
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real.



Incog	Sep 11 2011, 07:42 AM Post #174
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real. It's also perfectly possible that Adriana Lima will stumble upon my facebook and add me. After a few minutes of online chat, where Incog's Charm� will make her horny as hell. She'll buy a plane ticket to France and come visit me, take me to a 5 star hotel and we'll fuck the lights out of each other. Except that what I just described may just as well be more probable than a great entity having made the universe and the world because he was bored and didn't feel like jacking off. So excuse me if myself and most other enlightened human beings regard the supernatural as something we can't explain scientifically yet as opposed to spirituality and all that shjt.
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gs	Sep 11 2011, 01:30 PM Post #175
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Hyperactive Jam Sep 10 2011, 05:31 PM There are way more than 6 senses btw. Senses of temperature, kinesthetic sense, pain, balance, acceleration, electric fields, direction, time, sense of the position of the body relative to itself... those aren't senses, those are brain processes based on your senses. they may call it 'sense of direction' but in the end it's just based on a lot of different visual (well mostly visual) input and your memory, which gets processed subconsciously into a 'feeling' of where you should go or where you came from.



Vondongo	Sep 11 2011, 03:15 PM Post #176
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Incog Sep 11 2011, 07:42 AM DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real. It's also perfectly possible that Adriana Lima will stumble upon my facebook and add me. After a few minutes of online chat, where Incog's Charm� will make her horny as hell. She'll buy a plane ticket to France and come visit me, take me to a 5 star hotel and we'll fuck the lights out of each other. Hottest person you can think of adding you on facebook/twitter is and talking to you in conversations is actually not that unlikely if you demonstrate that you're not an asshat or an idiot. Not that I would know about this, oho no. Certainly not. Absolutely not.



Incog	Sep 11 2011, 03:52 PM Post #177
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Redemption Sep 11 2011, 03:15 PM Incog Sep 11 2011, 07:42 AM DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real. It's also perfectly possible that Adriana Lima will stumble upon my facebook and add me. After a few minutes of online chat, where Incog's Charm� will make her horny as hell. She'll buy a plane ticket to France and come visit me, take me to a 5 star hotel and we'll fuck the lights out of each other. Hottest person you can think of adding you on facebook/twitter is and talking to you in conversations is actually not that unlikely if you demonstrate that you're not an asshat or an idiot. Not that I would know about this, oho no. Certainly not. Absolutely not. :o! Have you talked to the girl (sorry forgot her name) in your avatar Red? Do tell.
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Sep 11 2011, 04:04 PM Post #178
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	I know that I have. For some reason, I woke up in a bed soon after the event, though. I like to imagine that, after an outing in which we got insanely drunk, I arose with no memory of the incident.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Vondongo	Sep 11 2011, 06:01 PM Post #179
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Incog Sep 11 2011, 03:52 PM Redemption Sep 11 2011, 03:15 PM Incog Sep 11 2011, 07:42 AM DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real. It's also perfectly possible that Adriana Lima will stumble upon my facebook and add me. After a few minutes of online chat, where Incog's Charm� will make her horny as hell. She'll buy a plane ticket to France and come visit me, take me to a 5 star hotel and we'll fuck the lights out of each other. Hottest person you can think of adding you on facebook/twitter is and talking to you in conversations is actually not that unlikely if you demonstrate that you're not an asshat or an idiot. Not that I would know about this, oho no. Certainly not. Absolutely not. :o! Have you talked to the girl (sorry forgot her name) in your avatar Red? Do tell. There's not a lot to it, actually. I just talked to her a lot, and about a week or so ago, she just started following me out of the blue. Extraordinarily nice person but not a phony, because she isn't afraid to speak her mind when she's discussing things. She holds live chats on her official site every so often (other wrestlers do not do this, ever) and frequently talks to fans on twitter whenever she can spare the time. She's spoken for, so I don't think I'll ever be "charming" her anytime soon, but that doesn't mean I can't be a friend of one of my favorite wrestlers celebrities. :P



gs	Sep 11 2011, 06:50 PM Post #180
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Redemption Sep 11 2011, 06:01 PM Incog Sep 11 2011, 03:52 PM Redemption Sep 11 2011, 03:15 PM Incog Sep 11 2011, 07:42 AM DragonLegend Sep 10 2011, 09:27 PM I didn't say "There's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's true." I said "there's no proof it's untrue, therefore it's possible it's true." You can talk about likelihood, absurdity, trust, senses or whatever you want, but it won't change the facts. You've already admitted it's perfectly possible for spirituality and the supernatural to be real. It's also perfectly possible that Adriana Lima will stumble upon my facebook and add me. After a few minutes of online chat, where Incog's Charm� will make her horny as hell. She'll buy a plane ticket to France and come visit me, take me to a 5 star hotel and we'll fuck the lights out of each other. Hottest person you can think of adding you on facebook/twitter is and talking to you in conversations is actually not that unlikely if you demonstrate that you're not an asshat or an idiot. Not that I would know about this, oho no. Certainly not. Absolutely not. :o! Have you talked to the girl (sorry forgot her name) in your avatar Red? Do tell. There's not a lot to it, actually. I just talked to her a lot, and about a week or so ago, she just started following me out of the blue. Extraordinarily nice person but not a phony, because she isn't afraid to speak her mind when she's discussing things. She holds live chats on her official site every so often (other wrestlers do not do this, ever) and frequently talks to fans on twitter whenever she can spare the time. She's spoken for, so I don't think I'll ever be "charming" her anytime soon, but that doesn't mean I can't be a friend of one of my favorite wrestlers celebrities. :P not a lot to it my ass



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