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DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 04:43 AM Post #31
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Damn, Red, put down the bong for a second. Marijuana itself has been found to be harmful. I don't think it has anything to do with drug dealers or whatever.



Jack the IV	Aug 14 2011, 04:51 AM Post #32
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Alcohol itself has been found to be harmful. So has McDonald's.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 04:53 AM Post #33
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	So?



Jack the IV	Aug 14 2011, 05:02 AM Post #34
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	So why ban marijuana when things that cause much greater harm to humans are widely advertised and legally available on the market?
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Big Richard	Aug 14 2011, 05:05 AM Post #35
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQqQdH466QI&feature=channel_video_title



Big Richard	Aug 14 2011, 05:08 AM Post #36
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 04:21 AM It means that even though marijuana is illegal, authorities won't do much or even anything to you, or there will simply be a civil penalty rather criminal charges. It's different in each state. The highest figure I've come across for the percentage of people serving time for marijuana possession is 12%. Figures range from under 1% to 12%, depending on the source. What law are you talking about? The SCOTUS ruled a few years ago in Gonzales v. Raich that the federal ban on marijuana (including for medical use) is a-okay, and the feds can prosecute people for violating the ban, regardless of state law. the law I was talking about which idk for sure if passed or not: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/marijuana-bill-barney-frank-ron-paul_n_882707.html and for the statistics : "According to a 2004 Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of state and Federal prisoners, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense. This is a decrease from 1997 when the figures were 12.9% and 18.9%, respectively." thats from http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html I think what I was talking about is that out of those in prison, 2 out of 3 are there simply for possession and only 1/3 for actual trafficking



DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 05:18 AM Post #37
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Jack the IV Aug 14 2011, 05:02 AM So why ban marijuana when things that cause much greater harm to humans are widely advertised and legally available on the market? I didn't say it should be banned.



DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 05:25 AM Post #38
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Big Richard Aug 14 2011, 05:08 AM DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 04:21 AM It means that even though marijuana is illegal, authorities won't do much or even anything to you, or there will simply be a civil penalty rather criminal charges. It's different in each state. The highest figure I've come across for the percentage of people serving time for marijuana possession is 12%. Figures range from under 1% to 12%, depending on the source. What law are you talking about? The SCOTUS ruled a few years ago in Gonzales v. Raich that the federal ban on marijuana (including for medical use) is a-okay, and the feds can prosecute people for violating the ban, regardless of state law. the law I was talking about which idk for sure if passed or not: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/marijuana-bill-barney-frank-ron-paul_n_882707.html and for the statistics : "According to a 2004 Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of state and Federal prisoners, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense. This is a decrease from 1997 when the figures were 12.9% and 18.9%, respectively." thats from http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html I think what I was talking about is that out of those in prison, 2 out of 3 are there simply for possession and only 1/3 for actual trafficking I know that bill, and no, it hasn't passed, and with Republican control of the House and a large enough minority in the Senate to filibuster anything, this bill is as dead as Elvis. You can track its progress here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-2306



Jack the IV	Aug 14 2011, 05:37 AM Post #39
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 05:18 AM Jack the IV Aug 14 2011, 05:02 AM So why ban marijuana when things that cause much greater harm to humans are widely advertised and legally available on the market? I didn't say it should be banned. You are a republican so you must think it should stay illegal.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 06:54 AM Post #40
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	I believe that is called a non sequitur.



Incog	Aug 14 2011, 07:33 AM Post #41
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Jack the IV Aug 14 2011, 05:02 AM So why ban marijuana when things that cause much greater harm to humans are widely advertised and legally available on the market? I agree with this really.
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DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 09:30 AM Post #42
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	You know, a little-known fact is that the percentage of Europeans who oppose marijuana legalization is far, far higher higher than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way. The highest support for legalizing it is in the Netherlands, where it's at 49%, one percentage point lower than in the US. In Western USA, support for marijuana legalization is nearly 60%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/144086/New-High-Americans-Support-Legalizing-Marijuana.aspx http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb66/eb66_en.pdf (page 49) Europeans are also bigger opponents of gay marriage and gay adoption than Americans. (scroll up a few pages) http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-15-mccain_N.htm Just felt like pointing that out.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 14 2011, 09:34 AM Post #43
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Perhaps I am being licentious in saying so, but I think all drugs should be legalised. Preserving lives from drug addiction is contained within sufficient community education, and not within oppression.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 14 2011, 10:07 AM Post #44
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	no need to legalise cocaine and heroin. one sniff or shot of that and you're addicted hardcore, there's almost no coming back
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 14 2011, 10:40 AM Post #45
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	No men that's not true.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Vondongo	Aug 14 2011, 12:45 PM Post #46
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 04:43 AM Damn, Red, put down the bong for a second. Marijuana itself has been found to be harmful. I don't think it has anything to do with drug dealers or whatever. The stuff that agribusinesses would make would be safer and of a lower grade than what's sold on the streets. I'm not saying you'll have a "positive" marijuana but if someone wants weed, they'll find it somewhere. Better that the market be made of cheap, low-grade stuff than high-grade stuff. Besides, it's like with cigarettes. A lot of people think cigs are disgusting and don't smoke them, when they're really just bastardized chemical concoctions with some tobacco added in. Cigarettes used to be nice and now aren't so nice, so no one wants to smoke them. If all of the drugs people can buy are of a ridiculously low grade, many people simply won't deal with them anymore.



Incog	Aug 14 2011, 12:58 PM Post #47
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 14 2011, 10:40 AM No men that's not true. of course it is
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 14 2011, 01:44 PM Post #48
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Incog Aug 14 2011, 12:58 PM Ultra-Musketeer Aug 14 2011, 10:40 AM No men that's not true. of course it is Men are you hear me? I said that's not true.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


gs	Aug 14 2011, 02:04 PM Post #49
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	it's true for heroin. coke to a lesser extent.



Big Richard	Aug 14 2011, 07:25 PM Post #50
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	not to mention the extreme violence in mexico is directly in relation to the US drug demand. If they were to legalize marijuana the cartels would be out of business, revenue would increase by billions, and violence would stop in our country and mexico, not to mention free space in our prisons and save even more billions. or we can continue to spend billions a year trying to "fight a war on drugs" and use scare tactics in schools around the country rather than provide an honest education about the drugs the kids are already using.



DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 11:10 PM Post #51
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Only a pothead could believe that legalizing pot would suddenly fix every problem in the world.`



Incog	Aug 14 2011, 11:12 PM Post #52
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	no one would think that lol
	Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great.


Vondongo	Aug 14 2011, 11:33 PM Post #53
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 11:10 PM Only a pothead could believe that legalizing pot would suddenly fix every problem in the world.` It wouldn't suddenly fix anything, but if it's legalized, big business is going to control it, mass market it and dilute it. Drug dealers won't be able to compete.



Vondongo	Aug 14 2011, 11:37 PM Post #54
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	I don't smoke marijuana, btw, though I've had plenty of people accuse me otherwise. I do enjoy a nice cigar every couple months or so.



DragonLegend	Aug 14 2011, 11:52 PM Post #55
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Again, that's idealism, Red. You guys are acting as if nothing could possibly go wrong. Beware of the law of unintended consequences.



Big Richard	Aug 15 2011, 12:19 AM Post #56
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	nothing did go wrong when it was legal just like when heroin and other hard drugs were legal. anyway did you even read my post? Are you denying that the violence in mexico is directly related to US drug use and high demand? Are you denying that the biggest crop the cartels are sending over is marijuana? Are you denying that regulating and dispensing marijuana would not be a billion dollar industry for the gov. to profit from? Are you denying that there is a large percentage of inmates serving time in our prisons merely for possession and that we spend billions of dollars taking care of them?



Vondongo	Aug 15 2011, 12:24 AM Post #57
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 11:52 PM Again, that's idealism, Red. You guys are acting as if nothing could possibly go wrong. Beware of the law of unintended consequences. What do you think is going to happen? The people who already have access to drugs will have access to weaker and cleaner drugs instead? If people don't want to do drugs, they won't touch them. If they want them, they're extremely easy to get.



DragonLegend	Aug 15 2011, 01:06 AM Post #58
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Redemption Aug 15 2011, 12:24 AM DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 11:52 PM Again, that's idealism, Red. You guys are acting as if nothing could possibly go wrong. Beware of the law of unintended consequences. What do you think is going to happen? The people who already have access to drugs will have access to weaker and cleaner drugs instead? If people don't want to do drugs, they won't touch them. If they want them, they're extremely easy to get. I don't know. That's the thing about unintended consequences. You never know everything that could happen. Legalizing pot brings with it regulation and taxation. Who knows what that could cause? Also, a lot of dangerous criminals are in prison because of marijuana-related crimes. The authorities couldn't convict them for their serious crimes, but were able to convict them for violating the marijuana ban. Plus, a lot of people (e.g., witnesses) cooperate with the authorities because they're threatened with prosecution for marijuana crimes. Who knows what else?



gs	Aug 15 2011, 01:11 AM Post #59
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Aug 14 2011, 11:52 PM Again, that's idealism, Red. You guys are acting as if nothing could possibly go wrong. Beware of the law of unintended consequences. i don't think you have any idea how harmless marijuana is. if alcohol was discovered in 2011 it would be on the list of hard drugs in no time. yet that's somehow legal. there are so many more problems related to alcohol than weed in the netherlands. what does that tell you? and yeah, there's a lot of crime related to marijuana in foreign countries and legalizing it will obviously solve a lot of that.



DragonLegend	Aug 15 2011, 01:15 AM Post #60
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Harmless? You must be joking...



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