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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 02:56 AM Post #61 |
Gay People Read This.
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MARIJUANA? HARMLESS? PAH THATS NOT WHAT FOX NEWS TELLS ME! |
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| Jack the IV | Aug 15 2011, 05:55 AM Post #62 |
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None of your polls give the standard deviations. When the numbers are that close, stating that more Americans are in favour of gay marriage is retarded. The EU cannabis one doesn't even give the # of individuals polled. You can't use those statistics in a proper argument. |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 15 2011, 10:26 AM Post #63 |
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Have you tried actually reading the reports? They all give the margin of error (for the European poll, the survey method, samples and MOEs can be found on pages 231. 232, and 233). It's well outside the margin of error. This is the CNN poll about gay adoption, by the way: http://articles.cnn.com/2007-06-27/us/poll.gay_1_opinion-research-corporation-poll-latest-poll-sampling-error?_s=PM:US Edited by DragonLegend, Aug 15 2011, 10:32 AM.
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Aug 15 2011, 05:28 PM Post #64 |
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I think gay adoption shouldn't be legal because there are too many people who disagree with it. Sounds very almost nearly like sheep psychology. |
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| Germee | Aug 15 2011, 06:12 PM Post #65 |
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| Jack the IV | Aug 15 2011, 08:08 PM Post #66 |
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For the gallup poles, the results could go either way for both of them. "For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points." Given this, you cannot say The majority of Americans favour gay marriage, as the % that are in favour of gay marriage could be 49 and the % that are against gay marriage could also be 49. "For results based on these total samples of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points." Once again this should be 41%-51% of Americans believe marijuana should be legalized, while 45%-55% say it should stay illegal. "Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones (for respondents with a landline telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell phone-only). Each sample includes a minimum quota of 150 cell phone-only respondents and 850 landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents for gender within region. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday." People with landlines are more likely to be older and have views against gay marriage and legalizing marijuana. This effects the results a hell of a lot. |
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| Vondongo | Aug 15 2011, 08:16 PM Post #67 |
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First and foremost, smoking anything is bad for you. But marijuana is less harmful than the tobacco you find in cigarettes (unless you think its side effects are harmful, which they very well can be). There might be unintended consequences, but how serious are they going to be? Let's say they release the criminals related to drug possession charges. But why are they criminals? Usually for selling drugs and operating in drug-related crime. Once "Big drugs" hit the streets, all of these criminals will no longer have any way to earn money because they won't be able to compete. So what will they turn to, to make money now? Prostitution? Extortion? Bank robberies? Not viable. They won't have an incentive to commit nearly as many crimes. They'll either legitimize or literally starve to death. Regulating legal drugs won't be any different than regulating legal medicinal drugs. Yes, there will be problems, but you can either have the regulatory pitfalls or strong criminal activity relating to the substances while they're banned. Seriously, prohibition is a case study on this whole thing and it demonstrated (A) What happens when you ban a substance and (B) What happens when the substance is legalized again; that being the respective growth and decline of American organized crime. I don't have any idea why you're so opposed to legalizing drugs, Dragon. There is SO MUCH crime that springs from the illegal drug trade that would die off almost overnight if these drugs were legal. Legalize the drugs and start handing out licenses (that is, "You have to have one of these to sell the stuff legally") so powerful pharmaceutical companies could start making them and selling them cheaply. As soon as big business could touch this stuff, they'd rape the cartels that don't have the licenses and therefore wouldn't be able to compete, till the money ran out and the criminal groups folded, bringing down crime with them. |
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 08:35 PM Post #68 |
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only a small margin of those in prison are actually dealers (or just had enough on them to be charged for distribution in their state). The majority are simply kids that got caught smoking pot or along those lines and aren't criminals at all and pose no danger to society. |
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Aug 15 2011, 08:52 PM Post #69 |
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They are an influence upon their peers and therefore endanger society. |
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 08:54 PM Post #70 |
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influence on their peers to do what exactly? smoke weed? Why are they friends in the first place if its optional? Lmao everyone is an influence to their peers so therefore they must be locked up for endangering society. right? |
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| The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom | Aug 15 2011, 09:01 PM Post #71 |
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Yes, they influence their peers towards the smoking of illegal, detrimental substances. Therefore, it is for the good of society that they be seized and imprisoned. |
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 09:15 PM Post #72 |
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lolol |
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| Vondongo | Aug 15 2011, 09:25 PM Post #73 |
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I live just outside Baltimore, one of the WORST cities for drug crime in the entire United States, and I've passed through the city many times and seen how bad it can be. Most of the people who commit crimes, run in gangs, or go to prison around here for something related to drugs are not a bunch of harmless stoners. And I wish they were, but they're not. |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 15 2011, 09:57 PM Post #74 |
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I didn't say a majority of Americans supported anything. I said the percentage of Europeans who oppose gay marriage, gay adoption, and marijuana legalization is higher than the percentage of Americans who feel the same way. And it's outside the margin of error. I'm just saying the whole "Europeans are liberal, enlightened, liberty-loving people, and Americans are fundamentalist, oppressive, homophobic reactionaries" thing is utter nonsense. As for the landlines thing, while it may be true, you do know that if it were true it would mean the real percentage of Americans who oppose it is even lower than the poll says, right? Edited by DragonLegend, Aug 15 2011, 10:00 PM.
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 10:12 PM Post #75 |
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yeah you're talking about the dealers. There's no reason for someone like me to commit crime. People like myself are just the ones that buy the marijuana and smoke it at home or a friend's place. The dealers are the ones that fight for control and for eliminating competition. The cops go after them by finding the users and asking them to snitch for cooperation and in exchange they take down the charges against them. I'm telling you I know like 10 of my own friends that've been caught smoking weed and either charged a fine or served some time while I know many more that got away with it. Its as harmless as if I just planted a gram of weed in your pocket and a cop found you and sent you to jail. Same shit, just kids. DEALERS, however, are a different story and it depends on how much weed someone is caught with in your state to determine if they are charged for distribution |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 15 2011, 10:13 PM Post #76 |
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I don't oppose legalizing drugs. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for. The chances of the consequences of legalization that I mentioned (e.g., murderer in prison for drug-related crimes gets released) happening could be 10% or 90%. We don't know. There are always unintended consequences. Proponents of drug legalization are always under the impression that nothing even remotely bad could happen after legalization. |
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 10:18 PM Post #77 |
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"Proponents of drug legalization are always under the impression that nothing even remotely bad could happen after legalization. " bad assumption. also if someone is in jail for murdering someone (whether its drug related or not) im fairly sure they are serving an even longer sentence for homicide and would not get released upon drug legalization |
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| Incog | Aug 15 2011, 10:23 PM Post #78 |
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That's retarded, I could kill someone to steal their car and go to prison. Just because drugs are legal doesn't mean that murdering someone for them is any better. lol |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 15 2011, 10:32 PM Post #79 |
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I am talking about people who commit serious crimes but get imprisoned for marijuana-related crimes, either by accident (meaning, you commit a murder, never get caught, but then you get caught dealing pot) or intentionally (meaning, the police know you committed murder, but for some reason can't convict you, so they decide to prosecute you for a drug law violation). How do you think they got Al Capone? Tax evasion. Even though everyone knew his list of crimes was far longer and more serious than that. |
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| Big Richard | Aug 15 2011, 10:39 PM Post #80 |
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lol how many murderers do you think they actually catch like that (marijuana only not other drugs) |
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| Vondongo | Aug 15 2011, 11:21 PM Post #81 |
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Except that I don't think that it'll go off without a hitch. Plenty of proponents of drug legalization are the "Smoking marijuana is all kinds of good for you!" types. Those are nothing but dim-witted potheads who say that shit because they want to believe it. I'm not one of those, and neither are all people. I think drugs are unfortunately extremely dangerous and risky to touch, but we can use the depopularization of tobacco as an example to show how drugs can be marginalized or, at the very least, reduced in popularity after their legalization, and use prohibition as a case study to show the consequences of what happens when a substance is banned (growth of organized crime) and then legalized (temporary decline of organized crime until drugs became a significant part of the equation). |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 16 2011, 02:22 AM Post #82 |
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Tobacco isn't a good example, though. The reason it's unpopular is because the government has brutally demonized users and violated their rights beyond belief. Go have a look at the new FDA warning labels for cigarette packs, for instance. http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/CigaretteWarningLabels/default.htm But I don't really care. The only reason to legalize it is because it's the pro-liberty thing to do. |
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| Vondongo | Aug 16 2011, 02:42 AM Post #83 |
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Which is exactly what the government in this country would do with drugs if they were legalized. You know, barring some kind of libertarian revolution. |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 16 2011, 03:06 AM Post #84 |
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I know the government could do it. I'm saying I don't want them to do this, to anyone. 
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| Vondongo | Aug 16 2011, 03:13 AM Post #85 |
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It gives us a whole hell of a lot more freedom than barring them outright. You have no idea what drug crime in this country is like if you think keeping it illegal is a good idea. |
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| DragonLegend | Aug 16 2011, 03:29 AM Post #86 |
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I've said about a dozen times that drugs should be legalized... It sounds like you think only two possible things can happen: it's legalized and nothing bad happens, or it's kept illegal and the country remains a Hell on Earth. |
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| _Saladin_ | Aug 16 2011, 04:45 PM Post #87 |
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That's bs. He's stated dozens of times that he knows there might be consequences, but it's obvious that the benefits far outweigh the risk. That's what he's saying. |
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| _Saladin_ | Aug 16 2011, 04:48 PM Post #88 |
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Double post. Delete.
Edited by _Saladin_, Aug 16 2011, 04:49 PM.
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| Incog | Aug 16 2011, 05:50 PM Post #89 |
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i couldn't bring myself to delete one of sal's post, so i'm just going to quote it. 
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Black tulip Tribute to the the greatest of the great. | |
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| Vondongo | Aug 16 2011, 05:57 PM Post #90 |
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Then what the hell are you worrying about? No government policy is infallible. Everything will have positive and negative consequences. Worrying about legalization with the line of thinking of "Oh crap, think of what could go wrong" is a major cop-out. |
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What happens when the substance is legalized again; that being the respective growth and decline of American organized crime.
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