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gs	Aug 19 2011, 07:10 PM Post #121
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Hyperactive Jam Aug 19 2011, 07:00 PM Drugs that aren't addictive in a serious way should be legal. Mushrooms are legal in the Nederlands right? where do you draw the line though? as in, when is something addictive in a serious way



Vondongo	Aug 19 2011, 07:26 PM Post #122
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Jack the IV Aug 19 2011, 06:01 PM Not heroin, coke, and meth shit. That shit fucks you up. Doesn't matter. You either legalize it or drug traffickers and cartels continue to funnel it in. And as long as that goes on, the people who want to buy that can continue to buy it as long as they so wish. Otherwise legalizing shrooms and pot and other "soft" drugs is nothing more than biased "stoner legislation" that sits in the middle of a double-standard.



Ali Skahir	Aug 20 2011, 05:50 AM Post #123
Corporal Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #242 Joined: August 14, 2011	Legalize the harmless drugs... like weed and shrooms, those grow naturally and shouldn't be illegal. Its not a double standard because these 2 are naturally growing plants/fungi as well as an already legally sold drug plant-- tobacco. Now as for heroine, coke and meth, those are made in labs and require lots of human tampering from the original natural source, therefore, yeah they should be illegal substances. Although coca grows naturally, cocaine does not. it is a man-made substance like meth and heroine; therefore it is something that can justifiably be made illegal. (Like any poison can be made illegal, even if poisons are made from natural plants or whatever) Edited by Ali Skahir, Aug 20 2011, 05:56 AM.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 20 2011, 06:01 AM Post #124
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Coca leaves deserve a better recognition. They are often praised for their stimulating properties.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 20 2011, 06:50 AM Post #125
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Jamerson Aug 20 2011, 05:50 AM Legalize the harmless drugs... like weed and shrooms, those grow naturally and shouldn't be illegal. Its not a double standard because these 2 are naturally growing plants/fungi as well as an already legally sold drug plant-- tobacco. Now as for heroine, coke and meth, those are made in labs and require lots of human tampering from the original natural source, therefore, yeah they should be illegal substances. Although coca grows naturally, cocaine does not. it is a man-made substance like meth and heroine; therefore it is something that can justifiably be made illegal. (Like any poison can be made illegal, even if poisons are made from natural plants or whatever) ah this makes sense really. it's a fine line between drugs and poison
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Big Richard	Aug 20 2011, 07:11 AM Post #126
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	then again that could be turned against you in saying that a lot of modern medicine which is produced in labs should be illegal. the bottom line is, every drug should be legalized but kept under control. You're not stopping people by making it illegal, you're only making it all the more dangerous. Take heroin for example, not only is it a destructive drug but the manner in which you use it causes the spread of diseases through using the same needle. To help with this they have clinics which provide a safe environment with clean needles for the druggies to use, along with an alternative substance which helps them ween off the drug. This is the right approach to the "drug problem". Legalizing a substance also won't increase it's use if you match legalization with a more profound and honest education regarding drugs. You can never stop a child from learning curse words by giving them ear muffs-- a far better approach is to sit down and explain to the child what the words are and why they shouldn't be used freely. Just like sex education, taboo subjects need to be treated responsibly and the first step is an education. I say legalize it, regulate it, and move on.



Jack the IV	Aug 20 2011, 07:39 AM Post #127
The Gent's Club Posts: 7,869 Group: Mr. Pink Member #43 Joined: February 19, 2008	Heroin and meth fuck you up big time, there's no excuse for that shit being legal. That shit fucks you up so hard you can't even be a productive member or society anymore, and it's long road to recovery once you get hooked.
	In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains, On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows, In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame, The good deeds a man has done before defend him.


Big Richard	Aug 20 2011, 07:58 AM Post #128
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	exactly, and yet people still do it. However, if that is common knowledge learned at an early age and continued on through developmental years how many kids do you think will actually try it?



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 20 2011, 08:11 AM Post #129
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	The kids that aren't educated.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Big Richard	Aug 20 2011, 08:40 AM Post #130
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	and thankfully that will be a much smaller population of drug users than that which exists today



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 20 2011, 08:49 AM Post #131
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Africa
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


gs	Aug 20 2011, 10:52 AM Post #132
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Big Richard Aug 20 2011, 07:58 AM exactly, and yet people still do it. However, if that is common knowledge learned at an early age and continued on through developmental years how many kids do you think will actually try it? too many



Ichigo1uk	Aug 20 2011, 11:25 AM Post #133
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	DMT FOR EVERYONE!
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 20 2011, 01:02 PM Post #134
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	FREE DRUGS? WHERE? Adopts dramatic pose
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Vondongo	Aug 20 2011, 01:17 PM Post #135
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Jamerson Aug 20 2011, 05:50 AM Legalize the harmless drugs... like weed and shrooms, those grow naturally and shouldn't be illegal. Its not a double standard because these 2 are naturally growing plants/fungi as well as an already legally sold drug plant-- tobacco. Now as for heroine, coke and meth, those are made in labs and require lots of human tampering from the original natural source, therefore, yeah they should be illegal substances. Although coca grows naturally, cocaine does not. it is a man-made substance like meth and heroine; therefore it is something that can justifiably be made illegal. (Like any poison can be made illegal, even if poisons are made from natural plants or whatever) And then you keep it illegal, and the cartels and traffickers still trade in it, and the money they make funds rebel and terrorist organizations and the gangs themselves, many of those same gangs cause instability in the United States itself, and the people who want the drugs will still be able to buy them from the traffickers. That's why it's a double standard. You're not getting anything done by just legalizing a few of them. They may be far more harmful substances but would you rather they be harmful substances that the chem companies that answer to the government control, or harmful substances that are sold on the streets to fund criminal activity?



gs	Aug 20 2011, 01:35 PM Post #136
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 20 2011, 01:02 PM FREE DRUGS? WHERE? Adopts dramatic pose who said anything about free



_Saladin_	Aug 20 2011, 02:57 PM Post #137
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Red's right, you can't just legalize certain drugs, you have to legalize all of them. It's not the government's job to protect you from yourself, jack. The only thing making drugs illegal accomplishes is forcing people who want it to commit a crime. It does not dissuade them from doing it, how naive.



gs	Aug 20 2011, 03:06 PM Post #138
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	it's not just about protecting people from themselves though. shit like heroin which is basically poison can just as easily be used as a weapon.



_Saladin_	Aug 20 2011, 03:24 PM Post #139
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Almost anything in the world can be used as a weapon. Unless it is designed and functions primarily as a weapon, there's no reason to restrict it. There's certainly no reason to ban it, not even firearms are banned. Nor should they be.



gs	Aug 20 2011, 03:39 PM Post #140
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	heroin is primarily poison with some short term positive side effects. primarily designed to hurt someone by helping them to an addiction. poisoning someone with heroin would be easy to get away with, and can destroy that person's life. it's not like other drugs in that sense. by legalizing it we would be taking unnecessary risks. if you insist that you can't legalize certain drugs while leaving others illegal, how about we stop calling heroin a drug and call it poison?



_Saladin_	Aug 20 2011, 04:10 PM Post #141
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Because that's not what a poison is. Chemically, it's a drug. It's about as easy to poison someone with heroin as it is to poison them with ummm, idk, real poison? Ultimately, it comes down to the person's choice. Slipping someone any chemical without their consent is illegal anyway, no matter the substance. I fail to see how heroin poses some special risk.



Vondongo	Aug 20 2011, 04:21 PM Post #142
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	And again, heroin is very easy to find if you're looking for it. If someone wanted to use it as a poison for sinister purposes, they could easily do so, but it's not any more dangerous than regular poisons would be. I mean, even botulinum toxin, one of the most powerful poisons in the world, is used for completely benign purposes (botox, anyone?) and it's far more dangerous to people than heroin could possibly be. It's not about making the substance illegal, it's about making dangerous applications thereof illegal, and while criminals will still trade in that manner, it will never be in any degree that is anywhere near if they were trading in "raw" forms of the drug. Just like how owning or carrying a firearm isn't illegal, but shooting someone unprovoked is.



Ali Skahir	Aug 20 2011, 04:24 PM Post #143
Corporal Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #242 Joined: August 14, 2011	Well, if raid was suddenly found to produce wonderful and pleasurable hallucinations when inhaled... is it now a drug? or still a poison? What about bath soaps crystals? They were a bath product that some kid discovered to produce a strong high if burnt and inhaled... what are those? Poison? Drug? or Soap??



_Saladin_	Aug 20 2011, 04:32 PM Post #144
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	When I think of a poison, I think of something that needs to be ingested in ridiculously tiny amounts to be lethal. Unless you make a distinction like that, anything can be a poison, even water, which is why I don't find those descriptions of poison very helpful at all.



Vondongo	Aug 20 2011, 04:32 PM Post #145
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	Jamerson Aug 20 2011, 04:24 PM Well, if raid was suddenly found to produce wonderful and pleasurable hallucinations when inhaled... is it now a drug? or still a poison? What about bath soaps crystals? They were a bath product that some kid discovered to produce a strong high if burnt and inhaled... what are those? Poison? Drug? or Soap?? Raid would be a drug, but with poisonous effects. Doesn't mean it should be banned, though. Almost all chemicals have some kind of practical application. Yes, even heroin, if chemists and medical scientists work at it long enough. And raid is still practical for killing all kinds of bugs. Burning and inhaling almost anything will hurt you, high or not. Doesn't mean that should be banned either.



Vondongo	Aug 20 2011, 04:33 PM Post #146
Moo. Posts: 5,434 Group: Member Member #130 Joined: October 15, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 20 2011, 04:32 PM When I think of a poison, I think of something that needs to be ingested in ridiculously tiny amounts to be lethal. Unless you make a distinction like that, anything can be a poison, even water, which is why I don't find those descriptions of poison very helpful at all. And even something like botulinum, like I said, can provide all sorts of benefits if it's not used for the sake of harm. And the same can be argued for almost anything that's toxic, even something that's supposed to be a tried-and-true poison, like arsenic.



_Saladin_	Aug 20 2011, 04:35 PM Post #147
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Yes, in general, it's acts that should be banned, not things.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 20 2011, 04:39 PM Post #148
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	men i want some orange juice
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Ichigo1uk	Aug 20 2011, 05:00 PM Post #149
Huh? Posts: 9,838 Group: A414A Member Member #10 Joined: December 14, 2007	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 20 2011, 04:39 PM men i want some orange juice
	Incog Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.


Big Richard	Aug 20 2011, 05:38 PM Post #150
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	Big Richard Aug 20 2011, 07:11 AM then again that could be turned against you in saying that a lot of modern medicine which is produced in labs should be illegal. the bottom line is, every drug should be legalized but kept under control. You're not stopping people by making it illegal, you're only making it all the more dangerous. Take heroin for example, not only is it a destructive drug but the manner in which you use it causes the spread of diseases through using the same needle. To help with this they have clinics which provide a safe environment with clean needles for the druggies to use, along with an alternative substance which helps them ween off the drug. This is the right approach to the "drug problem". Legalizing a substance also won't increase it's use if you match legalization with a more profound and honest education regarding drugs. You can never stop a child from learning curse words by giving them ear muffs-- a far better approach is to sit down and explain to the child what the words are and why they shouldn't be used freely. Just like sex education, taboo subjects need to be treated responsibly and the first step is an education. I say legalize it, regulate it, and move on. This still stands haha @ ultra : I'm talking about US, not a continent. @ gs: How do you know there would be a lot of users? This reminds me of something that happens in public schools. Normally, when chewing gum is banned in public schools almost every student is chewing it. But what administrators found is that legalizing chewing gum in schools actually decreases their prevalence. Why? Because apparently lots of kids were just chewing it to feel rebellious. As for what do you consider poison, lots of kids can easily pick up glue or paint and sniff for a high. Doesn't mean you ban those substances, you just regulate it (they made them safer) and educate. I learned in my school when I was younger the dangers of inhaling for a high. I don't think many 11 year olds still try sniffing shit when they find out it makes you retarded among other things. Education works, regulation is effective, burying your head in sand and hoping the problem goes away does nothing.



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