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Whats become of everyone?; Curiosity and Nostalgia
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The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 22 2011, 06:21 PM Post #121
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Don't bother locking any doors or windows; I've devised quite a recent technique of appearing out of nowhere in the fashion of a ghost, and engaging rather modestly in occasions of harassment through the terror of my victims more than any other strain of perturbation.
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Firom	Aug 22 2011, 06:30 PM Post #122
Major Posts: 1,513 Group: Member Member #149 Joined: February 25, 2009	rawr



DragonLegend	Aug 22 2011, 06:40 PM Post #123
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Ultra-Musketeer Aug 22 2011, 06:21 PM Don't bother locking any doors or windows; I've devised quite a recent technique of appearing out of nowhere in the fashion of a ghost, and engaging rather modestly in occasions of harassment through the terror of my victims more than any other strain of perturbation. (reference, just in case)



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 22 2011, 06:51 PM Post #124
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	Hi Firom.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Incog	Aug 22 2011, 07:38 PM Post #125
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Firom Aug 22 2011, 06:30 PM rawr FLMAEKL?F%
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Vondongo	Aug 22 2011, 07:40 PM Post #126
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Jack the IV	Aug 22 2011, 07:44 PM Post #127
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Ali Skahir	Aug 22 2011, 08:02 PM Post #128
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Big Richard	Aug 22 2011, 08:06 PM Post #129
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 06:00 PM I guess I'll reply to everyone else tomorrow. Except Richard. yes I understand you cannot stand being humiliated once more. Your pride and defense mechanisms can only protect your ego for so long before you realize the truth. hahah



_Saladin_	Aug 22 2011, 08:42 PM Post #130
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:56 PM _Saladin_ Aug 21 2011, 01:02 PM DragonLegend Aug 21 2011, 12:14 PM Incog Aug 21 2011, 11:59 AM And I don't see how Jamerson is an immoral bastard. And I see even less how it's linked to atheism. Can you explain to me Dragon, how a religious person somehow knows what is moral and what isn't, and how an atheist wouldn't know? I'm ignorant as to why. As I said, it has little to do with atheism or religion. I called him immoral because of his actions (the girl). The only morality is objective morality. That requires an all-knowing being who can tell you what is or isn't undeniably right/wrong. So I wouldn't say nonspiritual people are immoral per se. They did grow up in a moral, spiritual society, so they generally know the difference between right and wrong (even if they don't admit it), but it's for the wrong reasons. Since they don't exactly believe in the source/s of their morality, the basis of their morality is very weak, and they could easily (and sometimes do) descend into immorality. Why does morality have to be objective? Why can't you have a reasoned, thought out morality? Hint: you can. In fact, that's why morals have been changing since the beginning of the human race. How would you even know what this all knowing being wants you to do? It certainly isn't from Christianity or Islam, because there are quite a few things I disagree with in regards to morality coming from them. But I'll bite. Let's say that god exists. How do you plan on knowing his morality? A religion? How do you know that religion is actually god's word? Say it is god's word, how do you know that it's holy book wasn't altered or tampered with? Say it wasn't tampered with, how do you know god wasn't lying to you? Maybe gods morality includes lying and he was just messing with us? Assumptions on top of assumptions. You know how many assumptions I need to arrive at a practical morality? None. Just discuss it and think it through with your fellow man. The reason human morality isn't objective (and therefore correct) is precisely because it's changed throughout the years. Which human being gets to decide what's right and what's wrong? You think incest is wrong. Other people don't. Who's right? Only an all-knowing being can know for certain whether something is true (moral) or not. Your argument is, "how do you know what the divine being's [correct] morality is?", not "how do you know the divine being's morality is correct?" That's irrelevant to this particular discussion, but the answer is divine revelation and faith. That's a gross oversimplification of the universe. You're not thinking of all the possibilities. How do you know morals exist? AFAIK the only concrete evidence of morals is something humans created. If you disagree with this, then tell me why morals have to exist. Another possibility is that god doesn't follow morals. Why does god have to be omnibenevolent? Why can't he be evil like hades or Loki? There is nothing wrong with reasoned morality, in fact, I prefer it to objective morality.



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 01:25 AM Post #131
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	_Saladin_ Aug 22 2011, 08:42 PM DragonLegend Aug 22 2011, 05:56 PM _Saladin_ Aug 21 2011, 01:02 PM DragonLegend Aug 21 2011, 12:14 PM Incog Aug 21 2011, 11:59 AM And I don't see how Jamerson is an immoral bastard. And I see even less how it's linked to atheism. Can you explain to me Dragon, how a religious person somehow knows what is moral and what isn't, and how an atheist wouldn't know? I'm ignorant as to why. As I said, it has little to do with atheism or religion. I called him immoral because of his actions (the girl). The only morality is objective morality. That requires an all-knowing being who can tell you what is or isn't undeniably right/wrong. So I wouldn't say nonspiritual people are immoral per se. They did grow up in a moral, spiritual society, so they generally know the difference between right and wrong (even if they don't admit it), but it's for the wrong reasons. Since they don't exactly believe in the source/s of their morality, the basis of their morality is very weak, and they could easily (and sometimes do) descend into immorality. Why does morality have to be objective? Why can't you have a reasoned, thought out morality? Hint: you can. In fact, that's why morals have been changing since the beginning of the human race. How would you even know what this all knowing being wants you to do? It certainly isn't from Christianity or Islam, because there are quite a few things I disagree with in regards to morality coming from them. But I'll bite. Let's say that god exists. How do you plan on knowing his morality? A religion? How do you know that religion is actually god's word? Say it is god's word, how do you know that it's holy book wasn't altered or tampered with? Say it wasn't tampered with, how do you know god wasn't lying to you? Maybe gods morality includes lying and he was just messing with us? Assumptions on top of assumptions. You know how many assumptions I need to arrive at a practical morality? None. Just discuss it and think it through with your fellow man. The reason human morality isn't objective (and therefore correct) is precisely because it's changed throughout the years. Which human being gets to decide what's right and what's wrong? You think incest is wrong. Other people don't. Who's right? Only an all-knowing being can know for certain whether something is true (moral) or not. Your argument is, "how do you know what the divine being's [correct] morality is?", not "how do you know the divine being's morality is correct?" That's irrelevant to this particular discussion, but the answer is divine revelation and faith. That's a gross oversimplification of the universe. You're not thinking of all the possibilities. How do you know morals exist? AFAIK the only concrete evidence of morals is something humans created. If you disagree with this, then tell me why morals have to exist. Another possibility is that god doesn't follow morals. Why does god have to be omnibenevolent? Why can't he be evil like hades or Loki? There is nothing wrong with reasoned morality, in fact, I prefer it to objective morality. I don't understand what you mean by why is it true. That's something you'll have to discuss with the all-knowing entity. As far as human beings are concerned, it's simply true.



Firom	Aug 24 2011, 05:11 AM Post #132
Major Posts: 1,513 Group: Member Member #149 Joined: February 25, 2009	It's hard to say something is always wrong. There tends to be a scenario imaginable in which it's the right thing to do. That's not to say that there aren't general guidelines which we can follow, but more to say that morals can't be 100% absolute.



Big Richard	Aug 24 2011, 07:09 AM Post #133
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lol religious morals are so flawed its hard to believe people like dragon actually consider them of any importance



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 07:21 AM Post #134
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	I will stone you to death for having committed adultery against a husband who is dead.
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Incog	Aug 24 2011, 10:46 AM Post #135
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_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 11:45 AM Post #136
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	Quote: I don't understand what you mean by why is it true. That's something you'll have to discuss with the all-knowing entity. As far as human beings are concerned, it's simply true. How do you know objective morals exist even if a god exists?



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 12:13 PM Post #137
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Please rephrase that, just to be sure you mean what it seems you mean.



_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 12:15 PM Post #138
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	I'm not sure how to rephrase, what do you think it means?



DragonLegend	Aug 24 2011, 12:58 PM Post #139
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Are you asking me, "how do you know the universal spirit's morality is true and objective, and it's not simply making it all up just for laughs"?



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 03:43 PM Post #140
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	@Incog, LOL
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gs	Aug 24 2011, 04:46 PM Post #141
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 12:58 PM Are you asking me, "how do you know the universal spirit's morality is true and objective, and it's not simply making it all up just for laughs"? the question couldn't have been more clear lol. i was about to write this reply explaining what sal meant, but i couldn't think of anything that would make it clearer than what he said :\| even if there's a higher power with a certain morality, how do you know this morality is objective? but we're already assuming 3 very unlikely things here: that there is a higher power, that this higher power cares about morality, and that you somehow know what the morality of this higher power is.



The_Fry_Cook_of_Doom	Aug 24 2011, 04:54 PM Post #142
:OOOOOOOOOOOOMAAANN Posts: 18,587 Group: A414A Member Member #35 Joined: January 11, 2008	I know this high power exists because he communicated to me his moral concepts in a dream, throughout which I shuddered convulsively as though seized by a divine aspiration.
	Jam It's okay to be mad at your fiends sometimes


Firom	Aug 24 2011, 04:59 PM Post #143
Major Posts: 1,513 Group: Member Member #149 Joined: February 25, 2009	Firom Aug 24 2011, 05:11 AM It's hard to say something is always wrong. There tends to be a scenario imaginable in which it's the right thing to do. That's not to say that there aren't general guidelines which we can follow, but more to say that morals can't be 100% absolute. Dragon, please read this.



Incog	Aug 24 2011, 05:15 PM Post #144
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	Yeah, who the fuck is anyone to say that they know what God's will truly is?
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_Saladin_	Aug 24 2011, 08:22 PM Post #145
Major Bullshit Posts: 2,763 Group: A414A Member Member #28 Joined: January 1, 2008	DragonLegend Aug 24 2011, 12:58 PM Are you asking me, "how do you know the universal spirit's morality is true and objective, and it's not simply making it all up just for laughs"? Yes, but like gs mentioned, that's not the only option. What I was referring to in particular is that how do you know that an all knowing being has a moral system? Why are morals necessary for a god?



Big Richard	Aug 25 2011, 03:02 AM Post #146
Gay People Read This. Posts: 5,323 Group: World's Finest Member #113 Joined: July 26, 2008	lmao incog +1



DragonLegend	Sep 3 2011, 08:28 AM Post #147
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	There is a moral system because the higher being says so.



DragonLegend	Sep 3 2011, 08:36 AM Post #148
Field Marshal Posts: 15,575 Group: Member Member #40 Joined: January 19, 2008	Firom Aug 24 2011, 04:59 PM Firom Aug 24 2011, 05:11 AM It's hard to say something is always wrong. There tends to be a scenario imaginable in which it's the right thing to do. That's not to say that there aren't general guidelines which we can follow, but more to say that morals can't be 100% absolute. Dragon, please read this. Morality is mainly about intention, not actions. Killing a man for fun is wrong. Killing a man in self-defense isn't. Raping a child to hurt it him/her is wrong. Raping the child because you're mentally damaged to the point you're a quasi-animal incapable of differentiating between right and wrong isn't.



gs	Sep 3 2011, 12:12 PM Post #149
Slow down Posts: 16,297 Group: Animals Member #1 Joined: December 12, 2007	DragonLegend Sep 3 2011, 08:28 AM There is a moral system because the higher being says so. who was that in reply to? surely it couldn't have been sal or me



Incog	Sep 3 2011, 12:24 PM Post #150
CHEERIO! Posts: 21,769 Group: French Member #6 Joined: December 13, 2007	DragonLegend Sep 3 2011, 08:36 AM Firom Aug 24 2011, 04:59 PM Firom Aug 24 2011, 05:11 AM It's hard to say something is always wrong. There tends to be a scenario imaginable in which it's the right thing to do. That's not to say that there aren't general guidelines which we can follow, but more to say that morals can't be 100% absolute. Dragon, please read this. Morality is mainly about intention, not actions. Killing a man for fun is wrong. Killing a man in self-defense isn't. Raping a child to hurt it him/her is wrong. Raping the child because you're mentally damaged to the point you're a quasi-animal incapable of differentiating between right and wrong isn't. In the examples you used there's a difference. The man you killed in self defense had the intention of killing/harming you. It's not morally wrong. The child raped by the mentally damaged had no intention of doing harm. It is morally wrong. Reread what you've written: Quote: mentally damaged to the point you're a quasi-animal incapable of differentiating between right and wrong In this case moral damage was done by someone who wasn't capable of moral judgement in the first case. He did something morally wrong, regardless of whether or not he could help it. Kind of like how a lion killing someone, not out of self defense or hunger, doesn't abide to morals.
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