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Oct 4 2013, 03:25 PM
overall looks like a nice build, I take it you're going to overclock with that set up?

sound card for music amirite? +1, +1



have you ordered yet?
I'm not going to over clock right away, that's almost certainly unnecessary for any games I'd be playing right now, but the 4670K is only $13 more than the 4670 so I may as well have the capability to overclock if I need to in the future. hmm

Sound card is for my mid range headphones and pseudo-3D gaming sound. :mellow:

I have not ordered yet because my credit card is taking longer to come because of problems with the fax cutting off parts of the document, but then they only gave me a $500 limit so I'll just use paypal directly linked to my bank account this weekend because the prices on some of the items went down saving me $50. :lol:
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Then just crack Win 7 and make up to Microsoft later.
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Oct 4 2013, 09:40 PM
Then just crack Win 7 and make up to Microsoft later.
If I were going to make up to them that would defeat the purpose of cracking it. (notme)

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/viewsonic-monitor-cde6501led?ref=ppxe
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overall looks like a nice build, I take it you're going to overclock with that set up?

sound card for music amirite? +1, +1



have you ordered yet?
I'm not going to over clock right away, that's almost certainly unnecessary for any games I'd be playing right now, but the 4670K is only $13 more than the 4670 so I may as well have the capability to overclock if I need to in the future. hmm

Sound card is for my mid range headphones and pseudo-3D gaming sound. :mellow:

I have not ordered yet because my credit card is taking longer to come because of problems with the fax cutting off parts of the document, but then they only gave me a $500 limit so I'll just use paypal directly linked to my bank account this weekend because the prices on some of the items went down saving me $50. :lol:
If you haven't ordered yet then let me make 2 suggestions.


First of all, when I was building my PC, I asked some advice on TL quite a lot. As far as most people seem concerned, Corsair make good PSUs but not at the lower end. I've never even heard of the PSU you're getting. However almost everyone seemed ready to suggest getting the XFX 550w ($60), which was deemed by many to be a very good deal and a reliable source of power. It's not even more expensive than what you're going to get. Also this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies

Ctrl+F to find PSUs.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9




Secondly, 500 Gb hard drive at that price seems a rip off. For about $15 more, you can get 2 TB of storage instead of 500 Gb (do le math). Maybe you've got an amazing warranty with that hard drive or something, but paying that much for so little storage did put me a bit off a bit.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm001



This is your rig now with the parts I suggested instead: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/1KNLW

My 2 cents, do what you will!

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Yeah, +1 to overclocking the future.
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Btw, gs and jam:


I've been thinking a bit about my parent's room. My dad has always expressed his desire to get this kind of sound system:

Basically he's on his bed and from the bed (with an ipod?) he can tell his sound system to start playing music. he can choose which album he wants to have played (my dad and i both listen to music by albums in the order of the album) from his bed and it'll start playing. kind of like a remote control but for music.


I've been wondering how feasible this is. I think it would be really easy to build a PC with a good sound card. The music would be stored on that PC's SSD. the bedroom's speakers would be hooked up to that sound card and using a good music player everything that he described would work out.

as an added bonus, this desktop PC would work fine for browsing the internet. for some reason, our laptops can't connect to our home's ethernet (house too big for wifi) so when my parents want to browse the internet they need to go down to the kitchen to do so. they can't do it from their room. with a desktop PC and a full sized motherboard, they should be able to hook up to the ethernet network. i know from experience that my old desktop and my new desktop are somehow both able to connect to the ethernet network but for some reason laptops, even my dad's new ASUS, can't do so.

Anyway, the biggest problem is the interface. as stated before, my dad should be able to choose which music he wants to play from his bed. the music would have to show up on the monitor i guess. any ideas?
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what do you mean laptops are unable to connect to ethernet? you're connecting the cable and nothing happens?
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so what's a good sound card an audiophile might recommend?
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Hmm...you are right about hard drive and psu and I made the changes. I was going for Caviar Black series of HDD because of reliability and 5 year warranty, seagate only has 1 year, but the seagate is faster. I've never experienced a hard drive failure in any of the computers I've had so maybe I'll go with the seagate.
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etc

so what's a good sound card an audiophile might recommend?
what kinda speakers u got
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so what's a good sound card an audiophile might recommend?
what kinda speakers u got
fk again i'm not home i can't check properly

what does it matter?
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etc

so what's a good sound card an audiophile might recommend?
From the research I did they usually go for Asus Xonar series or Sound Blaster Z series. The Xonar cards DS, DSX, DX, D1 have very high heaphone output impedance of 100ohm so they are bad for almost all headphones, but fine for speakers, but if you combine it with an external amp that has low output impedance that will work as a combo. They are $30-90. They don't have any surround sound emulation for gaming, but great for music.

The Xonar DG, DGX have reasonable output impedance like 10ohms or something and have dolby heaphone which simulates 5.1 surround sound for heaphones and works for gaming. The DG will have better quality than the onboard audio for your motherboard and is only $20-30. If you don't have mid-high end speakers or heaphones there's not much point in getting a top quality sound card.

Sound Blaster Z is more expensive, but has better gaming surround sound thingies. The output impedance for the heaphone jack is impossible to find, might be 24 or 30 ohms.

Read about impedance here: http://nwavguy.blogspot.ca/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html

There are also DAC/AMPs which are essentially external sound cards with generally low impedance amps. You plug them into a usb port for optical output. ie: http://www.amazon.com/Gsi-Fiio-E10-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B005VO7LG6

So really it depends on if you plan on mostly using speakers and/or headphones, whether or not your sound system can make use of the higher quality, and if you want features like simulated surround sound for headphones.

Edit::: Your motherboard is this one right? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I has 1 PCIe x16 3.0 for your graphics card, and only one other expansion which is PCIe x1. A soundcard will take up that last PCIe and you won't be able to add anything else that plugs into PCI slots.
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so what's a good sound card an audiophile might recommend?
what kinda speakers u got
fk again i'm not home i can't check properly

what does it matter?
well if you have 50$ speakers i would sooner invest in new ones than an expensive sound card.

hows the acoustics in the room? would it benefit from 4 speakers or is 2 plenty?
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@jam i'm actually thinking of building something completely new for my parent's room, not for me. or maybe modify my old desktop by putting in a nice new sound card.

@gs the room is pretty damn square. however it's right under the roof so the ceiling is sloped in a triangle. not sure if that matters. the speakers themselves i have no idea how much they cost but they might be as old as i am, we've had them for as long as i remember. i'm going to assume they're reasonable good quality. this is all pure theory anyway so we can can emit a hypothesis if needed

also there are 2 speakers. i think that they probably need their own amp but i would have to be fucking home to check


tbh we might as well put this topic on hold until i can get home and start looking through everything
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Huh?
https://soundcloud.com/rig/sets/belairizing
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Jan 19 2012, 05:34 PM
I think unicorns have a higher chance of existing than gods do. I mean, if a mare fell into the ocean and a narwhal raped it, then the mare might just give birth to a unicorn.
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So the speakers are linked to an amp. I'm guessing the amp slightly above average in terms of power. The input for that APM is RCA. So I would need a sound card that has RCA output, or that has an output that can be adapted to RCA.

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rereading your post jam, i will look into Asus Xonar series
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OK did some research

option 1: getting an ASUS Xonar DS 7.1
this should get me good music
then connect s/pdif output of the card to this DAC

http://www.amazon.fr/LCS-Convertisseur-Num%C3%A9rique-Convertit-analogique/dp/B0053GVTYC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381088713&sr=8-1&keywords=s%2Fpdif+to+rca

which then allows me to use the RCA cables of the current sound system
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option 2: USB DAC
but i have no idea which one to get
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Digital output quality is independent of what sound card you use because it's unconverted data. The sound card is for the higher quality DAC digital to analogue conversion so buying a cheap DAC for your sound card defeats the point of the sound card.

You should plug the RCA cables into your sound card analogue output with a RCA to 3.5mm adapter or use a quality external DAC to the motherboard spdif.

They are 2.0 speakers right? You want one of these and plug it into the front out jack on the sound card: http://www.amazon.fr/Valueline-CABLE-406-C%C3%A2ble-st%C3%A9r%C3%A9o-Femelles/dp/B000BN6KSC/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1381109799&sr=8-20&keywords=3.5mm+to+stereo

Here is an example of a DAC that would go with optical/coaxial output from the motherboard.
http://www.amazon.fr/FiiO-D07-Fiio-DAC-Audio/dp/B00BB4AECI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1381110470&sr=8-3&keywords=fiio+d07
http://www.amazon.fr/FiiO-TAISHAN-D03K-Fiio-Convertisseurs-Taishan/dp/B009346RSS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381111028&sr=8-1&keywords=fiio+d03k
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makes some sense
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ye dont get a soundcard and a dac, they do the same thing. i have a USB DAC (circumvents soundcard) with RCA output which works really well but idk if there are cheap ones out there
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let's go with sound card and this weird wire: http://www.amazon.fr/Valueline-CABLE-406-C%C3%A2ble-st%C3%A9r%C3%A9o-Femelles/dp/B000BN6KSC/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1381109799&sr=8-20&keywords=3.5mm+to+stereo


sound card doesn't seem too expensive but i haven't been able to find a DAC that seems to be worth anything under 100€.

so is the sound card I proposed a good choice? ASUS xonar DS 7.1? the speakers are connected to an AMP, the input for that AMP is RCA. with that weird cable the digital signal should be converted to analog and it should sound nice as well

unless i'm mistaken




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did a bit more research, i'm more interested in this card now:

http://techreport.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=66000752

http://techreport.com/review/14500/asus-xonar-dx-sound-card/21

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yeah i'm reaaaaaaaly interested in getting this card now actually

http://www.amazon.fr/rapport-signal-Express-faible-encombrement/dp/B00198DM2K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381163073&sr=8-1&keywords=xonar+dx
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so is the sound card I proposed a good choice? ASUS xonar DS 7.1? the speakers are connected to an AMP, the input for that AMP is RCA. with that weird cable the digital signal should be converted to analog and it should sound nice as well

unless i'm mistaken




The weird cable just splits the stereo signal from a single 3.5mm stereo jack to left and right RCA jacks, no conversion.
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Seems like a pretty good card for pretty good speakers, obviously I've never heard it, but it's probably very good unless you're actively looking for flaws.

Final final, finally, build buidily: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/tickles/saved/2oIK

Not sure what happened to the OS, I just logged on and it wasn't there anymore, oh well.

I forwent the sound card in favour of a USB DAC/Amp called Fiio E07K combined with a motherboard that has Sound Blaster Cinema virtual surround for gaming. Monies savingly.
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Yes, I will 99% be getting that card, it fits the budget I fixed myself and pretty much every review I've read on it has been positive.


Yeah your build seems pretty pretty nice overall. Have fun :p
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aw well how are you gonna try to spoil gs? :p
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