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Exhaust choice; custom or fujitsubo?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 09:41 AM (1,056 Views)
LevinItUp
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Talked to a shop in Brisbane over the last few days that sell buddy club gear... they were gonna get me a quote on a cat-back exhaust, however they couldn't get me a buddy club one for some reason. they have quoted me 750 AUD for a full stainless steel, mandrell bent exhaust system, with a round style muffler. Also includes a high-flow cat convertor.

Or for 100 less i can use my fujitsubo...

Should i go the more ricer cannon muffler, or use my fujitsubo oval muffler?

only advantage to the ricetastic muffler is they can have a silencer..

Is there a cheap way to implement those systems like the apexi valve that you place in your exhaust?

Any ideas welcome






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Wolftown
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Dont go with any 'ricer' shite. Get a decent brand, that way you know some money/time has been spent on research and development. In this case the Fujitsubo hands down!
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AceSniper
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fujitsubo oval muffler will sound 1000 times better, when your just throwing bits together it may look good but sound and perform shit
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Peter
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hi flow cat? check out metal cat, I had one of these on my last car, they are like super hi flow and legal for road use too. theres a few knocks offs about so beware, theres a place in sydney that make their own magic perforformance or something, I'll google it, the company has been in zoom and hpi magazines a few times along with metal cat, they are both stainless steel inside and out. not to heavy either ;) your car should come with a brand new cat on it too when it gets complied. usually they are pieces of shit. you can get a couple of bucks for them as scrap metal like $50 or something lol.
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BZ-G
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i think fujitsubo would be a better choice since the have power output ratings on each one they produce and tested...

also the apexi exhaust controller is not a bad idea since you can control the loudness just incase if you're drive through some elderly residential places... hahaha...

AceSniper,Feb 2 2008
11:18 PM
depends on your road laws with the apexi exhaust controller its illegal in nz

true.. have to check if aussie allows it...
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Peter
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they dont allow loud exhausts thats for sure, if you can flick a switch ever time you drive past a cop to make your car quite I would lol

yeah it'd work but i think they'd be a waste of money, your car is loudest when your driving hard when your driving hard you want power with too much restriction in the exhaust you'll loose power, car will be quiet though, really if you want it quiet just take is easy right? if you want it loud dont take it so easy.
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BZ-G
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Feb 3 2008, 07:40 AM
I'm thinking about getting the Apexi N1 with the EVC but I really wonder how this effect the sound both outside and inside the cabin...

Is it really that effective?

i have something similar to EVC but not the same... same kinda effect...

it works like a butterfly in the trottle body... when you have it fully closed, they still have about 3mm round gap to let air through... sounds like somethings stuck in the pipe... but you'll notice the differnce in the cabin.... but when you test it with those sound testers, it makes only about 5db difference... so not alot... but better than nothing.... but if you listen to it from the outside you can tell the difference....
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dub-levin
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personaly i will be planing when i get the cash again. maybe dring the summer. going for a fully custom cat back duel system. (no silencers - might put something on it though) and have a de-cat pipe on too so that will make for a full straightflow through system. have to see if im gonna put anything on it. if i do might just put 2 cherry bombs on it. (go to ebay and search for cherry bomb) they were the first performance exhaust system available and still one of the better ones. very little silencer box to it and very high flow.
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JohnnyBZG
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Yeah the DECS system------
http://www.nengun.com/apexi/decs-exhaust-control-valve (expensive-discontinued)

Well controllable- but as said....right foot (free) also well controllable (but only occasionally!!) ;)

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one11
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Mate where abouts from brisbane are you? I'm from northside but work at archerfeild. Was that qoute from 999 auto? If you really want the buddyclub Jdmyard from sydney can get in buddyclub.

I suggest using your fujitsubo muffler - will sound alot better than a no brand cannon muffler.

you ever go to pinelands :D
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LevinItUp
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Actually from the Sunshine Coast. Marcoola.

(close enough to Brisbane).

Yea that quote was from 999automotive...

They are near where my mate works... (and he has an AE101 Sprinter Trueno... Brittish Racing green.... 5spd... seen it around?)

Not really down in Brissy much since I don't work there anymore.

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BZ-G
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I used to have a Trust Power extreme II.... sounds alright.... but wouldn't recommend it.... because when i dyno it.... it loss power... was better running standard exhaust.... so i got Buddy club 2... but that's too loud... but i like it and not suited for aussie... now.... i just through that PE II in the rubbish!!!!

Would definately recommend legalis R... since it has power rating improvements and sound rating at idle, and at certain rpm too...

here's a link to it
Legalis R
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ae111bz-r
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Mate thanks for the reply, very much appreciated! ;)
Yeah i was swaying between the two, didn't know which way to go.....
Both are great quality, but i think i might just go the Legalis R. Its cost a bit more AUD $1,10.00 against AUD$795.00 but at least its guarantees to be within the legal noise limit in OZ and is proven to make about 3.5 kw gain. Bit suprised when you mentioned loss of power with the PE II, thought Trust exhaust are usually top notch and thought they make some sort gains...
By the way how hard is it to get the TRD bumper bar these days and how much did it cost, ya? i know that they are pretty bloody expensive!

Im also thinking of getting the CE28 wheels, 16s, they look pretty good on ae111s, how light are they compared to the stockies or even some of the cheap aftermarket alloys?

Cheers mate :D

Here is the spec of the legalis R( sorry not translation)

STD) FUJITSUBO

(40km/h→120km/h
 4速) 4.0秒 4.0秒
最高出力 109.9kw(149.5ps)/7670rpm 113.4kw(154.2ps)/7630rpm
最大トルク 150.9N・m
(15.4kg・m)/6120rpm 152.9N・m
(15.6kg・m)/5900rpm
マフラー重量 16.3kg 11.7kg


(STD) FUJITSUBO
音量アイドリング 64dB 77dB
近接排気騒音(5850rpm) 91dB 95dB
3000rpm 67dB 82dB
5000rpm 84dB 85dB
4000rpm〜6000rpm
レス|ンス 96dB 101dB
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LevinItUp
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The exhaust I've actually bought cost me 200 AUD... Bought it off a guy on twincam.org

hopefully he'll deliver it to my car (at the compliance workshop) in the next few days... cost me a bit more for that as well... but ah well.

Guy reckons it gives a dyno proven 10kw.... I cant believe that unless the catalytic convertor was clogged in the initial reading...

I love the Legalis R.... thats the same muffler as what I've got sitting in my garage...
Eventually I'll swap it onto the exhaust I've bought.

1100 for an exhaust is a fair bit... but I think it would be worth it for the awesomeness of the Fujitsubo system... my mate had one on his skyline.... and it was really nice and quiet... unlike most skylines you see.... well... hear


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BZ-G
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well personally i usually would recommend tuning brands who specialises in what that do... for example, fujitsubo is good at exhaust, tein is good at suspension, endless and project mu good at brakes, and so on....
many tuning companies actually don't make the parts themselves... they just add the label to it... so it's hard to tell if it's really their own product...

ummm TRD bumper.... i had 2.... one was damage when my mate drove it on the circuit.... then this one i have now has been on from since then.... i was planning on getting another spare one since i have so much stone chips on it but my friend at a tuning shop said they stop making them.... maybe only made to order...

wasn't cheap... back in the days when i got mine... the exchange rate was crap.... like nearly... 1nzd = 50yen..... so was like $2000nzd for a TRD original bumper.... including freight....

the CE28 is a great wheel.... never thought about comparing factory wheel since i didn't have one.... the CE28 is only 3.9kg.... for a 15 inch.... got these in japan when i was there and carried them over via baggage.... since so light and small.... forgot how much i got it but i did get some discount since it took me like 4hours to choose and pick and negociate in japanese/english.....

the translastions for the exhaust starting from left section downwards then right downwards.....

acceleration in 4th gear from 40km to 120km is 4.0sec (doesn't say 5spd or 6spd) same....
power output from 149.5ps/7670rpm to 154.2ps/7630rpm
torque output from15.4kg.m/6120rpm to 15.6kg.m/5900rpm
weight from 16.3kg to 11.7kg

idle sound is 64db to 77db
not sure what this section means (5850rpm) 91dB to 95dB
3000rpm 67dB to 82dB
5000rpm 84dB to 85dB
response sound from 4000rpm to 6000rpm 96dB to 101dB
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TRUENOSAM
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Got the apexi N1 on my bzg and it sounds really nice and is not too over powering when driving at higer speeds. Looks very well made aswell
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LevinItUp
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Hey guys,

Well I've got my exhaust... its sitting in my garage... its 2.25 inch, (i think). It's a replica oh a HKS hi-power silent (or the real thing... I don't know... I got it second hand and some of the piping has been replaced). Its getting fitted on friday.... the HKS muffler is damaged a bit so I'm putting my Fujitsubo on there... and replacing the centre muffler with a nicer one (to keep it quiet! lol).


Anyway I thought I'd post that... I'm not sure what its gonna sound like! lol.


Glen
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Francis
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Hope it sounds nice buddy. :)
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ae111bz-r
Feb 12 2008, 02:22 AM
Hey Guys, new to this... I have read alot the blogs here with some interesting info. I'm keen to buy a cat back exhaust for my levin to complement the Apex'i swirl manifold which i gained when i bought the car last year. I'm after something that's not too loud and top quality, had my mind set on ordering the Trust MX but have been advised it has been discontinued now. The only other options that seem apealing to me is the Trust PE II and Fujitsubo Legalis R both rated at 95Db. I never had a chance to hear AE111 BT with an exhaust so not sure how loud these systems would be. Here in OZ the police is getting tough on loud exhausts so dont want the hassle of being pulled over everytime you go for a drive. From what i see everyone here has mentioned HKS, Apexi, Buddy Club etc but no Trust. Has anyone had any experience with the PE 2 and Legalis R?
I have read other forums where they had turbo cars with the PE 2 and alot of guys where complementing how quiet these are.
Any feedback and your help would be highly appreciated.
Cheers

Can you throw up a pic of your Apexi swirl mani please. wana see if its like mine as i dont know wat one is in mine.

Has anyone any experience with one of these?
http://sportcompactwarehouse.com/apexiinte...ts/g-50080.aspx

Its a baffle but its spring loaded so it opens fully at high revs and quietns at low revs
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Feb 27 2008, 12:44 PM
I've got the Fujitsubo Legalis R on mine and i cant fault it at all, it's nice and quiet on idle but opens up in the higher rev range. Sounds sweet.

you got my vote on that.... B)
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LevinItUp
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Well after all that... the guy at the exhaust shop was pretty honest with me... he didn't think any of the parts I had were worth installing on a car. My Fujitsubo rear muffler he reckoned was alright, but would only last 6 months or so before there would be nothing left in it. The piping was alright, but far to beaten up to bother with, the highflow catalytic convertor was a heap of junk, it was cracked and collapsed inside (as I thought, although one of my mates begged to differ).

So I'm just gonna save up for a Fujitsubo Legalis R system sometime in the future... better to do it properly! With my VVT pulley coming up for replacement though... its not gonna be for a while... Note to self, do not buy second hand exhausts from a guy on a forum that you can't go and look at.... even if they are only 200 dollars (got it delivered to my car at the compliance workshop.)
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smithy
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Man id defo go with the fujitsubo!

Ive a TRD Hi power exhaust on mine and i love it! Sounds like a standard exhaust just idling but wen ya stick the boot down, IT F#*KING ROARS(the stacks help tho ;) )
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DaFlavor
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hey guys, for my ae92 16v 4age 100kw i went to a exhaust place to get a system "custom" made...consisted of extractors, flex, res, cat and 2" piping with a 3" canon. obviously the first realisation was the sound and also abit more power low - mid range. and of course 117db @ 5000rpm... lol.. ANYWAYS
after reading this u guys seem to not think that "custom" is the way to go? coz its going to be one of the first mods to me bzr wen i get it and im not really great at finding the right stuff for the right price. should i mix n match brands and even brands with custom if i can find stuff or stick to a one branded system??
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LevinItUp
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theres no real problem getting a custom exhaust. Magnaflow mufflers aren't bad... Sound way better than Walker (lukey) or Redback.

Just make sure you don't go to big! Big piping results in a farty kind of sound. Stainless and Mandrell bent also have different sound properties. I personally like a bit of a raspy, toneful sound.. compared to a lot of the fart-exhausts i hear on a lot of Jap cars.

From a performance perspective, Bigger doesn't flow better than smaller necessarily (like a 3 inch exhaust on a 1.6 litre motor is overkill). In fact, bigger can flow worse as the exhaust gas loses velocity going through the larger piping. I've always thought 2 inch or 2.25 inch is a good size for a 4 cylinder thats naturally aspirated.

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kyleseo
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if your going custom go some where with a decent rep that do good work, not some glorified pipe benders.
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DaFlavor
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lol levin my car at first was fine with the 2" piping but sounded too farty towards the muffler, so i replaced it with the canon and ive been told i sound like a lil type-r =] and a "animal" but anyways...
levin would u know if i should go genie extractors with say 2" system?? coz ive heard genie are alright brand
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Mikey Jay
Mar 5 2008, 02:03 AM
What size piping is the standard exhuast?

2.25"
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LevinItUp
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my mate had a set of genie headers, they were pretty sweet.

Yea genie headers into 2 inch or 2.25 inch mandrell bent stainless steel exhaust with a magnaflow muffler would probably be fine, just make sure you get someone decent to do it, who can actually do a decent job of welding, and decent bends. don't go to say, right-price exhausts or red roo exhausts.... go to a guy who has a decent reputation
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DaFlavor
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wats ur thoguhts on an x-force muffler?
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LevinItUp
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Don't know... is X-force the brand that is sold on ebay? or was that Xflow
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Xflow = Ebay

XForce = Not Ebay replica/fake/copy/etc
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