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How can I know a AE111 has LSD or not?
Topic Started: Jun 14 2008, 11:54 AM (3,397 Views)
johnnyli
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thanks!
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dub-levin
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if the car is a G or R im prety sure they came with LSD as standard, the others im not sure.
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robcam
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On the manufacture plate under the bonnet look at the trans./axle code if it starts with a= open
or c= LSD (Factory)


or


BZ-R are LSD from factory
BZ-G
BZ-V are LSD if manual, autos are open.
Edited by AceSniper, Jun 16 2008, 04:57 AM.
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JohnnyBZG
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BZG- pre facelift (non SS) could also have LSD as option.
And unless you know the history of the car...may have had one fitted aftermarket... only way for certain is to crack it open and see.

mines is (12A) open diff...ie no LSD. I'd swear blind it has one fitted though...I've enever been able to spin the wheels.....dry or wet.. on take off from lights/junction...(I know that's not exactly a scientific test....)
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johnnyli
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what about my AE111 (Auto)? I guess no LSD or SS :unsure: .... Am I right?

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and refered to johnnyBZG, what is the meaning of 12A?
Edited by johnnyli, Jun 14 2008, 04:59 PM.
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turboae111
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Try this...( hope i can make my self clear) lift the front part of the car both front wheels should be on the air..put the gear in neutral position, then spin one of the wheels with your hands in any direction if it has LSD the other wheel sould turn in the same direction, if not it will turn in the oposite way.
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JohnnyBZG
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turboae111
Jun 14 2008, 09:28 PM
Try this...( hope i can make my self clear) lift the front part of the car both front wheels should be on the air..put the gear in neutral position, then spin one of the wheels with your hands in any direction if it has LSD the other wheel sould turn in the same direction, if not it will turn in the oposite way.
Not always true.

@ Johnnyli- You have a transaxle code of 05A- you have an open diff- no LSD
Edited by JohnnyBZG, Jun 14 2008, 09:59 PM.
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AceSniper
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as above this wont work on most stock ae111 lsd's at they are gear driven... meaning they need some resistance on each wheel to lock up.

If its an aftermarket plate LSD this will work.

Best way is look at firewall, try afew light skids :D, or pull a axle out and look at the diff center... no need to remove the gearbox and pull it apart if you know what your looking at.
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OZae111
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So here's a question:

I have a 1998 BZ-R Levin which has a Trans/Axle code of 0160-120
-do I have an LSD?

I was expecting to see a code with either an A or a C at the end but i got neither...?
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AceSniper
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is that the code off the firewall?
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The Parrot


i always though if they both locked it was a diff so if it leave 2 black lines from the get it has a diff.
mines locks and leave 2 very nicly ha.
but looking at this i could be very wrong

and if it was an open diff only 1 wheel would ever spin
Edited by The Parrot, Aug 10 2009, 09:15 AM.
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JASE
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just checked my axle code :$

yay starts with a c = Lsd :yay: :yay:
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flowman
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well Id always thought my car had a lsd by the way it handled so I checked the firewall plate and it says C55 so lsd it is then
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flowman
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reading back posts this confirms Johnny bzg's post for lsd being an option on pfl bzgs (non ss) cos thats wot i got
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OZae111
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Aug 10 2009, 05:56 AM
is that the code off the firewall?
:$

Ooops, just rechecked and it is C160 not O160... obviously wasn't paying enough attention when i wrote all those number down.
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20vLevin
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Make sure you guys aren't getting the gearbox code and diff code muddled up
The C56 and C160 are the 5 and 6 speed boxes, its the code after this that is the diff, like mine is non lsd and it says C56 - 05A
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kyleseo
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20vLevin
Aug 11 2009, 10:05 AM
Make sure you guys aren't getting the gearbox code and diff code muddled up
The C56 and C160 are the 5 and 6 speed boxes, its the code after this that is the diff, like mine is non lsd and it says C56 - 05A

Exactly. It's the letter at the end of the trans/axle code.

You can still put 2 black lines down with an open diff, on a flat, uniformly dry road in theory, both wheels will have equal grip as there is nothing to swing it otherwise.

Factory helical won't reacted to the jack it up and spin a wheel test, as Ace said, they are geared and require initial slippage to actually lock.
Clutch type LSD will show up by doing the above. Although in most cases you hear/feel a plated diff any way.
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The Parrot


ok well my diff seems to lock even if im spining the wheels out of a corner i do beleive ill have to check it again. never felt any other fnt wheel drive car feel like this you can feel the car looking for grip. when you have the wheels turned.
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20vees
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hi my car has a trans axle code C160-12A do i have an lsd
Edited by 20vees, Aug 16 2009, 02:54 PM.
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20vees
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ow ya if not is it possible to either put in an lsd in a non lsd gear box without modding or straight fit, also is it possible to just swap the gear box with one that already has a lsd with no changes to anything else,
just a pre thanks
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JohnnyBZG
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12A is open diff
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20vees
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Aug 16 2009, 03:15 PM
12A is open diff
ow that sucks :( any chance a diff could be put in
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AceSniper
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if you can find a c series lsd they can be put in... but to do this you need to remove the gearbox and split it apart if you have to pay for labour to do this I would say its cheaper to find a lsd box put it in and sell the old one.... if you can find a lsd one
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bridgo
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Hmm. Mine says C160 12C so its supposed to have a lsd

But when its jacked up and i spin 1 wheel the other wheel doesnt turn.
Does the car have to be in gear? Or what? Cheers lads
Edited by bridgo, Aug 19 2009, 10:49 AM.
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AceSniper
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std torsen LSD is "active torque biasing" so it only locks up when the wheel starts to spin it will transfer torque over to the other wheel but to function there must be some friction on each side, jacking the car up or having one wheel off the ground it will act like a open dif.
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bigshark
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what does 'C56 04C' mean? apart from it being a 5 speed
Edited by bigshark, Aug 21 2009, 11:46 AM.
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20vLevin
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20vees
Aug 16 2009, 02:35 PM
ow ya if not is it possible to either put in an lsd in a non lsd gear box without modding or straight fit, also is it possible to just swap the gear box with one that already has a lsd with no changes to anything else,
just a pre thanks
I think you will need the driveshafts out of the lsd one as im sure one is shorter
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AceSniper
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no, 20v torsen lsd's use the same shafts, viscus type lsd's use different shafts but the only c series that comes with them is gt starlet and they don't work in a 4age box.

04c= lsd
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20vLevin
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Oh that's good to know, got my lsd box ready to go in, got some spare driveshafts then lol
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bigshark
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Aug 22 2009, 06:19 AM


04c= lsd
happy days!! think i'l celebraste this news by going for a drive on some windy B-roads!! :D
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The Parrot


i was right ha first time i looked at my firewall proper ,
c56 04c,

i was right all along ha
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sammylevin
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how do i find out ;) ??????
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Cheensbo
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read the thread you've posted in maybe? ;)
Edited by Cheensbo, Nov 23 2009, 10:53 PM.
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n2o
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Nov 23 2009, 07:38 PM
how do i find out ;) ??????
theres the easy way, take your car to your local mechanic, pay them a heap of cash to check

OR

do the hard yards and read through the whole thread consisting of 2 pages of text

-_-
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Z33kdud3
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is there upgraded lsd for our ae111's? is it worth upgrading? mine's come with lsd for sure but sometimes i dont believe it's working 100% all the time.
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Z33kdud3
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turboae111
Jun 14 2008, 09:28 PM
Try this...( hope i can make my self clear) lift the front part of the car both front wheels should be on the air..put the gear in neutral position, then spin one of the wheels with your hands in any direction if it has LSD the other wheel sould turn in the same direction, if not it will turn in the oposite way.
i think this is the perfect explanation, why not soo always true jonny?
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Ledge`
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So from reading this, all c160 boxes from a BZ-R have an LSD?

I'm flicking off my c160, never got the chance to see whether it had an LSD. I did the one wheel turn and the other one should turn with it off the ground test, which lead me to believe it was an open differential, having recently learned this test is invalid, lol. :P

Or is there any way to check with the gearbox out of the car? And I don't have the trans axle code from the firewall.
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irishgerard
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All c160's have L.S.D as standard
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Levin BZR
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Apr 26 2013, 03:26 PM
All c160's have L.S.D as standard
Not all of them. I think most BZGs with 6 speed gearboxes have not got it as standard. Only BZRs.
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Ledge`
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Okay, I know the gearbox came from a BZR as it had the orange interior originally.

Must have an LSD. Is there any other way to check with gearbox on the workbench? Gearbox codes on the sticker?
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robcam
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put up photos looking in where the axles go.
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Apr 26 2013, 09:02 PM
irishgerard
Apr 26 2013, 03:26 PM
All c160's have L.S.D as standard
Not all of them. I think most BZGs with 6 speed gearboxes have not got it as standard. Only BZRs.
Same with the 6speed Corolla Wagons and Sedans - C160 but with open diff
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robcam
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there is a stickies thread relating to gearboxes.

if it looks like this its a factory lsd box.
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rash
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Is it possible auto transmission have LSD ? My code is A246E-02A
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bushmaori
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Thank god I have a 04c
as above there's 1/3 chance you have a LSD 6 speed there's not many they only came in the BZR's
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