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Trust Power Extreme II; and Kakimoto exhaust
Topic Started: Feb 12 2008, 07:34 AM (227 Views)
ae111bz-r
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Hey Guys, new to this... I have read alot the blogs here with some interesting info. I'm keen to buy a cat back exhaust for my levin to complement the Apex'i swirl manifold. I'm after something that's not too loud and quality. I placed an order for Trust MX but after 3months wait have been advised it has been discontinued now. The only other options that seem apealing to me are the Trust PE II and Fujitsubo Legalis R both rated at 95Db. I never had a chance to hear AE111 BT with aftermarket exhaust so not sure how loud these systems would be.
Here in OZ the police is cracking hard on loud exhausts or anymods so dont want the hassle of being pulled over everytime you go for a drive.
From what i see everyone here has mentioned HKS, Apexi, Buddy Club etc but no Trust. Has anyone had any experience with the PE 2 and Legalis R?
I have read other forums where they had turbo cars(Skylines, silvias with the PE 2 and alot of guys where complementing how quiet these are compared to some other Jap brands.
Any feedback and help would be highly appreciated.
Cheers
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Wolftown
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I have the Fujitsubo Legalis R system on my car, love the way it sounds. Also have a 5Zigen decat pipe that altered the noise slightly when fitted but all in all a sweet sounding exhaust.
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DreadAngel
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Hey mate :)

Trust PE II is pretty good noise wise and so is the 5Zigen ProRacer A-Spec... Both are quite well behaved around city speeds and only growl when you give her a whoolp :P

Both are quietier than say the Hi-Power and leagues away from the N1 inspired catbacks.
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ae111bz-r
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Wolftown
Feb 12 2008, 12:19 PM
Its also very quiet at low revs, only really roars if you're accelerating hard

Hey mate,
Thanks for the feeback, after a bit of thinking im gonna go for the FGK system. a bit more expensive then others but atleast you have peace of mind for noise legality and gains.
Like you said they seem to be pretty quiet compared to the rest of the Jap systems (mostly connons) available for AE111s. I was suprised with the size of the pipe on the stock system, pretty big considering we only have 1.6L.
Just wanted to ask did you feel any sort of improvement power wise after you installed it ( i know its probably only very marginal 3.5 kw gain as per FGK claim)

Cheer ;)
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BZ-G
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aka Hyper Rev 4...
as mention on your other post... go for legalis r...

PE II had a power loss of about 2kw over factory exhaust when dyno it side by side... so wouldn't recommend it unless you like the some what deep sound....

simple terms... crap.... and in the bin....
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TRUENOSAM
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I have the apexi N1 fitted to my Trueno and it sounds awsome at idle and high revs, only seems noticeble when you want it to be. But the fujitsubo systems are excellent value for money and fabricated very well
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dub-levin
Feb 12 2008, 09:55 PM
JohnnyBZG
Feb 12 2008, 09:52 PM
Do not get a 5Zigen Pro Racer header/ZZcatback and decat if you want to go unnoticed :blink:

I can barely go above 2k revs without small animals/children/old folks.. taking cover..... :(

LOL is it that bad? you will have to get a video of it now and post it.

incase your wondering im rolling on the floor laughing at that. :)

http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mvi2014wz0.flv

Only a stationary clip- will need to go to a very deserted area and give it sum.... :lol:
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JP89
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My exhaust system seems to b after getting a few dents and knocks over time so i tink its time to get a new one
does anyone know anyting about these
>>>>http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm-low/TRUST-Power-Extreme-II-Muffler-AE101-AE111-Trueno-Levin-4A-GEU-29806

How loud and in general are they worth 450 euros
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dub-levin
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look at the HKS exhaust thread i been asking about it myself. told they loose you power on your car.

your durrent one? what make is it? let me know if your getting rid of it. might be interested.
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BZ-G
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i had one before and i hated it... regret getting it... reason why i got it at the beginning was at that time it was the latest (about 9 years ago) and thought the name "power extreme" will help me get more 'power'....
but i was wrong.... it lost power and the only thing that i might consider good was the sound, kinda bit deep like a turbo sound... and nice at idle and bit noiser on high rev.....
but when i took it off and fitted my stock exhaust on... the power is back... dyno it back to back and definitely stock gave more power...
i was going to sell it off but left it at another friends shop and he through it in the rubbish when he moved location so that was the end of that...
then when i got the buddy club racing spec 2 exhaust... that sounded totally different, like a honda screamer and that definitely gave bit more power at high rev but is bit too noisy like over 115db.... so it's 'loud'....
would recommend exhaust systems like HKS, Fujitsubo, Kakimoto racing or 5Zigen....
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devo
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oh ye lads member i said the exhaust i was getting was a hks it wasn it was a kakimoto racing system wasn familiar wit this exhaust must say but heard bzg recommendin it on this thread so taught id tel yaz wat its like plus seen a bzr wit the same system so maybe more popullar than i first taught this aint loud at all bzg i feel a bit more power top end for defo how would u rate this exhaust system tanks
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Shawn
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HKS recommended...not to loud but loud enough :lol:
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BZ-G
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devo
May 25 2008, 02:56 PM
anyone got a kakimoto system lads or heard any news on them

IISTROKE will know since he's got the Kakimoto R exhaust on...
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IISTROKE
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yeah the kakmoto R is sweet.. its not that loud but once the revs hit 3000 + it starts screaming.. dont know if i loose power or not as it came with the car when i bought it.. but yeah sound wise it shudnt give u that unwanted attention.. ill try post the vid of my car so uz can hear how loud it is :D
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devo
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kyleseo,May 26 2008
03:33 PM
Refered to as Black and Red label as well. The red labelled N1 being the louder of the 2.

The n1 is what i have, although it came with the car so im no help in sourcing one im afraid.

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hey mate tats the exact same kakimoto system i jus put on my levin wat do u think of her is urs very quiet

theShire,May 26 2008
07:44 AM
Hi all, i'm new to the site but I've got a Kakimoto Cat-bak System on my Levin. Really its not that loud at all- nice sound but not too in your face like sum of the Vtec systems. I've been pulled once in 2 years about it and that was when I had the car only 3 months- never again since. The one thing that will get you stopped more than anything is the Size of the exhaust- it looks absolutely huge but really this is only like an exhaust tip cos if you look at the outlet of the exhaust its about half the size. If i get pulled on the exhaust again, i might just cut it off. Normally, if they don't notice a huge exhaust on the car then their not to bothered about the sound- can't prove anything if it looks standard ;)
Exhaust #1
Exhaust #2

I've been away traveling for 10 months and been home 3wks already- my car is still in the garage- probs include Head Gasket, Freeze Plug, Fan Switch & Battery. My brother wos taking care of it while I was away but the bad winter here in IRL caused problems. Anyway, I can't wait to have it bak on the road- i'll take sum video of the exhaust so ye can see it when I get my baby bak on the road :(

ye mate tat wat i said about them systems i hav mine on a week taught it was very low but happy wit it

BZ-G,May 26 2008
02:00 PM
dub-levin,May 26 2008
08:55 AM
where do i get a Kakimoto  exhaust? and which model is it ?

there are 2 types of kakimoto exhaust...

this one is HYPER FULLMEGA N1+Rev. which is much louder...
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and this one is the most popular exhaust from Kakimoto which is called Kakimoto R which is the one most people got...
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Both are JASMA rated so sound is still legal... the N1 will be bit more expensive than the R....

bzg iv the fullmega kakimoto system the top one the diagram and i can tel ya they are jasma rated but tat one aint loud at all jus muffled sound iv the mani in everything decat must be the design of it
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DreadAngel
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theShire
May 26 2008, 05:44 PM
Hi all, i'm new to the site but I've got a Kakimoto Cat-bak System on my Levin. Really its not that loud at all- nice sound but not too in your face like sum of the Vtec systems. I've been pulled once in 2 years about it and that was when I had the car only 3 months- never again since. The one thing that will get you stopped more than anything is the Size of the exhaust- it looks absolutely huge but really this is only like an exhaust tip cos if you look at the outlet of the exhaust its about half the size. If i get pulled on the exhaust again, i might just cut it off. Normally, if they don't notice a huge exhaust on the car then their not to bothered about the sound- can't prove anything if it looks standard ;)
Exhaust #1
Exhaust #2





I've been away traveling for 10 months and been home 3wks already- my car is still in the garage- probs include Head Gasket, Freeze Plug, Fan Switch & Battery. My brother wos taking care of it while I was away but the bad winter here in IRL caused problems. Anyway, I can't wait to have it bak on the road- i'll take sum video of the exhaust so ye can see it when I get my baby bak on the road :(

You've got the Kakimoto-R mate =)
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BZ-G
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dub-levin,May 26 2008
03:05 PM
know where to get them thouh? i cant seem to find any exhausts for the levins.
all i can realy find are the ones on the rhd site.

i know where to get them in New Zealand but not sure about where you can get them in your country though... sometimes shops don't show or display all exhausts so have to email or call them to ask if they can get it... usually most places do, so wouldn't mind emailing rhd and ask them if they can get it???

devo,May 26 2008
04:03 PM
bzg iv the fullmega kakimoto system the top one the diagram and i can tel ya they are jasma rated but tat one aint loud at all jus muffled sound iv the mani in everything decat must be the design of it

are you sure?!?! i don't want to mistaken you or anything but when you said your one is the exact same system as kyleseo which is the N1...
then you reply to theshire about comparing the noise being low but his one is the R...
so both are complete different designs... you have a kakimoto but probably a photo of yours can determine the exact one...

i've heard N1 before on other cars and i know it's really loud... but i am somewhat confused when you say it's quiet... when dreadangel has the same agreement saying it's loud because it only has a resonator and near straight pipe towards a cannon tip...

also please have a look inside the cannon tip... is the diameter reduced in the centre of the cannon or it's the same diameter as the tip??? that will also determine if it's loud or not... if it's the same diameter as the tip then it's loud but... if it's reduced then it's quiet....
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kyleseo
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The N1 isn't quite thats for sure, mine is JASMA stamped so can assume it is the later model. 93db without decat, thats going to be a close call for some tracks with the decat in! :(

Still have the silencer in my boot i think.
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devo
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DreadAngel,May 27 2008
12:41 AM
The top one is a N1 type design, it's basically a straight through design with a single resonator and a cannon tip on the end, its loud as **** I know cause I've had 3 different N1 catbacks and all are borderline of insane =|

Not that its going to stop me from getting Kakimoto N1 for my AE111 =P Devo I've got no idea what catback you got mate, but I highly doubt its the N1+ if you find it quiet cause its an exhaust system that makes no apology for its nature same as the Apexi N1, Spoon N1 and BC Spec II...

If you got photos I can help you determine what it is...

its the exact same as the one your quotein on page one you hav pics of ur kakimoto tail pipe its the exact same size as tat look everything and my exhaust is tat firt one on the diagram drawing the one tats suppose to be loud.a mate i know because i dismantled it its the exact same 100% per cent kakimoto emblem on the tail pipe red badge funny tho the chap i bought it of said it was mad loud and yous are sayin it everythin is fitted 100% like got a good mechanic to do it is does ur exhaust hav jasma on it mine does does the jasma crowd not silence the exhausts to a legal limit im not to sure sorry about pics im on this site ages and stil dont know how plus iv no camera or phone connection

BZ-G,May 27 2008
04:02 AM
just been reading the kakimoto website... there is a model change in the fullmega N1... in the past it wasn't JASMA approved which means the older version was rated over 98db... but since it is now JASMA rated it's rated at 93db with a inner silencer...

to tell the difference... the new one has +Rev. on the title which is JASMA approved... the product code is T31327 but i don't know the old one since it's been discontinued...

the kakimoto R product code is TS327

of course if you fitted a de cat then the sound will be bit louder...

wel bzg u hav jus solved the prob mine has jasma all over it it must be tat latest one which has been silenced iv jasma on the tail pipe bzg and on the mani is there any way i can 100% tel tat mine is the one tat has been silenced significantly ie a code on the exhaust,serial number caz ill hav a look lads and ye bzg the diameter is significantly reduced wen i looked inside the exhaust tip

BZ-G,May 27 2008
05:09 PM
devo,May 27 2008
12:22 PM
wel bzg u hav jus solved the prob mine has jasma all over it it must be tat latest one which has been silenced iv jasma on the tail pipe bzg and on the mani is there any way i can 100% tel tat mine is the one tat has been silenced significantly ie a code on the exhaust,serial number caz ill hav a look lads and ye bzg the diameter is significantly reduced wen i looked inside the exhaust tip

i wanna help you solve this puzzle of yours... but it seems strange when you said the previous owner said it was 'loud' but when you fitted on your car it was reasonable sound (ie deep, not so loud)...

i'm not sure if they will put any codes or serial # on the exhaust but all i know is the kakimoto website does show a product code of T31327... so see if you can find anything like that....

by how much is significantly reduced is the inside pipe on the cannon?? reason why i ask this that when i got the trust pe2 it was reduced by nearly half the actual tip.... this means it looks like it's loud but in actual fact the pe2 was quiet and deep... therefore pe2 was only design for looks and sound... with 'loss' of power....

but i know kakimoto exhausts do gain power... especially turbo cars gain huge amounts after fitting and tuning a stand alone ecu to correct the air fuel ratio...

ye its reduced actually by about half the tip i dont know the bhp/torque of her now but im a bit worried after u mentioned i could be at a loss of power now but i couldn possibly could i after puttin in a kakimoto racing system from the mani to the tip of the exhaust decated in all (5zigen one in fact) hav to be on the gains ????????
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BZ-G
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ok... i found these on youtube... regarding Kakimoto Fullmega N1

although it is on a different car (turbo legacy)... i want devo to see the inside cannon pipe.... there are 4 clips and first 2 shows without silencer and the last 2 is with silencer... you can remove the silencer by a nut/bolt on the bottom of the end tip which you can see on the clips...

without silencer 1

without silencer 2

with silencer 3

with silencer 4

these may sound different, i don't know since i don't have audio on my work pc... can only find out when i get home with my home pc...

also you can see in the 1st clip that the inside pipe is pretty much same size as the tip so it's a straight flow....
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devo
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BZ-G,May 28 2008
02:45 AM
devo,May 27 2008
08:38 PM
ye its reduced actually by about half the tip i dont know the bhp/torque of her now but im a bit worried after u mentioned i could be at a loss of power now but i couldn possibly could i after puttin in a kakimoto racing system from the mani to the tip of the exhaust decated in all (5zigen one in fact) hav to be on the gains ????????

ok, then lets see (and ask) if kyleseo inner pipe size of the cannon is also reduced or not.... then we can compare again...

but mind you devo, there is a removeable silencer.... so is that in it now? and could it possibly be remove or not??? reason why i ask this is that i have seen a Kakimoto Fullmega N1 exhaust before and it was nearly the same size as the tip, only about 1cm smaller than the tip... so that one i saw was loud...

soooo.... 'maybe' it's different to kyleseo or... the silencer is in it and just have to remove it or... it could be welded into it and can't remove it or... it could be the newer model being the quieter one or... worse case scenario the cannon was replaced and 'badged' as kakimoto????
i can't really know until we compare it with others of the exact same model...

ye bzg i got a silencer wit the exhaust its jus fits into the tail pipe to reduce the sound told me it be handy for the nct tanks a lot for all the onfo ill listen to them exhausts now u posted up and ill let u know which one mine sounds and looks like cheers

bzg its the first one an second one without silencer the exact same sound to which didnt seem very loud so it must be them latest made kakimoto exhaust wit only 93db them last to i hate the way they look only small little bore hole nothing like tat id say tat exhaust reduces ur power. i got a metal silencer tat simply jus plugs into the taip pipe if u no wat i mean. i no the cannon wasn replaced caz all the welds are perfect exact same lookin the whole way threw the system dont worry about tat caz i checked for any diy jobs on it ha but wat do u wreckon if now tat my exhaust is thoose first two u put up would i lose power my exhaust flow is pretty much straight threw il hav to dyno her tanks bzg really helpful in this topic :cheers:
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kyleseo
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Mine is Jasma stamped so is the later model, its sure as hell not quite though. Granted there is a decat in there now but even before that was in it was loud. It used to set off the occasional alarm before the decat.

Not sure on the inner to be honest, will have to check, away on work until friday. It is smaller than the tip though.

This kind of depends on what people deem to be loud, what one may think is loud could be seen as quite-ish to another.

Have any more mid silencers been added? Nothing blocking the pipework any where. Failing that it could be something to do with the running of the engine itself?
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devo
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no my engines running perfectly delivern the power wen i want it im jus going to take it tat mine is the one which has been jasma approved to 93db mate and ill get a dyno in the near future see did it improve on 156bhp/133atw/129 foot pounds of torque and i got these figures wit jus a 5zigen decat so hopin wit this kakimoto system there is improvement if not its gettin sold sold sold tanks a lot kyleseo and bzg for all the help
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BZ-G
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yeah... well... i guess at the end of the day it comes down to your definition of "loud" really... :idk: maybe you just got a huge ear wax in your ear.... hahaha... just kidding... :P

anyway hope when you do, do a dyno, it will gain some power and torque... fingers crossed....

and getting back to the actual topic (sorry for going sooo off track)....
DON'T BUY A TRUST POWER EXTREME II EXHAUST... from experience it looses power and don't waste time in getting something cheap and having power loss especially when our AE111 cars are already struggling to reach the 'factory claimed' 165bhp....

spend money wisely.... this is my personal opinion but if by any chance anyone does buy PE2, then don't complain about it when I did warn you guys about it....
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devo
May 29 2008, 12:48 AM
right lads and bzg i looked up the kakimoto systems on nengun its a modified car parts site sure yous are familiar wit it bzg u were correct this wil end the confusion about my exhaust its the eaxact same jus read threw please.Kakimoto Racing Full Mega N1


The Kakimoto Full Mega N1 exhaust features a large mid muffler for the reduction of excessive noise. However, this new design does not dramatically reduce flow and combined with the straighest design possible improves engine response and power.

Features
- High performance muffler with straight piping for improved exhaust flow.
- Designed to meet the new 93db JASMA noise limit(which would explain the jasma imprint on my system)
- Stainless Steel construction SUS304
but the one thing i dont get when i went to vehicle compatability it didnt hav ae111 jus all skylines, impezas, all turbo cars but fits my levin they must hav made one of ones for the levin eh???

Nengun doesn't list all cars, always inquire in, just be REALLY patient with them...
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