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Aftermarket ECU's; Which one to go for?
Topic Started: Jan 28 2008, 12:01 AM (199 Views)
nickae111
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Hi all, has anyone had any experience with any type of "piggy back" fuel managment with there car?
ive got a few mods, ie trumpits on the throttle bodies, aftermarket exhaust manifold, decat, catback exhaust
and i was wanting to either get the ecu remapped at my local rolling road/tuner, and/or buy a piggyback fuel managament device to get the most out it!
i dont have the funds for a new ecu so im just wondering if anyone else has had there standard ecu remapped or fiddled with!!!

Thanks
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20vLevin
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I think you have to get a piggyback or a new ecu as the old one cant be remapped! :(
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AceSniper
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go for a greedy ultimate
heaps of gains can be had in the ignition map more so than fuel
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nickae111
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the problem with the greddy ultimate is finding some1 to tune it for me! does any1 know of a tuner in norhern ireland who deals with these?!!

:D
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20sideways
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have u tried ecc????
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nickae111
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yep tried east coast customs and they say they wont touch 1 cause of the software??!! ;)
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wsmracing
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there is a lad in portlaoise that will map them! but i think you might need the cd? but i can give ya his num if ya get stuck! :D
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AceSniper
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nothing hard about them, you have your stock ecu thatruns stock map, then you just add remove fuel/timming at points to adjust your tune.... if theywont touch it there not tunners, its not hard... just for best gain you need to do dyno runs and have knock/wideband gear
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Levin BZR
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nickae111
Feb 6 2008, 02:13 PM
i just bought a TOMS racing T.E.C.S ecu for my blacktop!

can anyone tell me anything about it !!!


:D

Really?? How much and from which site?? I want this ecu very much..It is a preprogrammed ecu,isn't it?? You just plug it on your car,and go.. B)
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Francis
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Did you get that one on eBay? :P Lucky!!
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nickae111
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Yep!!! just snatched it up on ebay last night!!!

Really lucky!!

Its already programmed i just have to plug it in i think

:D
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20sideways
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apparently it ups the power to arnd 190bhp but prob a lil less???
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markg-h2o
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god id b happy with 190 brake :lol:
these toms ecus are hard come by ?
was lookin through auction sites one day to cee how much one would cost n couldnt find 1 so i gave up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,but if its dat good :D
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20sideways
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think ther usually bout 1000 quid but the 1 on ebay was goin 4 300stg?? cudn go wrong at that money!!!
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markg-h2o
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Good saving der
all the best with it nick

if any1 sees another one of these for sale trow up the link please wouldnt mind 1 4 meself ;)
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nickae111
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Well this should turn quite interesting! ive got the HKS Racing header from nengun on its way, got this ecu now on the way, and ive just ordered a set of 272 / 8.5 Toda cams and pulleys!!

I just want 200bhp thats my goal!!!


:D
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20sideways
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i spoke 2 gunt engineerin abt cams before and he advised me not 2 upgrade them, maybe mild cams but nuthn with a big lift, cant rem y tho!!
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272's I doubt will run on just a "chiped" ecu.... if you mean the TOMS one. You wont see anywere near 190hp with just the ecu, the sard showed about 12hp on dyno over stock ecu on the same silvertop. Toms ecu is built for intake, exhuast, better timming advance and better fueling for power

in the TODA range you would need near 304/9mm to come close to 200hp, 272's expect around 115 wheel KW *rought guess* The 298/10mm cams Im using have seen 220hp in a car but that had lots of $$$ head flow work.

Big cams go very nice in 20v's give mid rpm a punch aswell as top end, and loose stuff all bottom end if tuned right, bigger the better.

I know this vid is shit quality, but this is in my ae101, nothing striped out inside, only road tuned by me, and on a straight road on a hot 30deg day, rev limit is higer now also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbfy2wh6XmY

This is a copy past from another forum just give you an idea:ph43r:

"silver top rods in a blacktop engine,valves 3 angle cut,new valve springs,port matching,new cams intake 278deg 8.92lift,exhaust 287deg 9.17lift.all rebuilt,new rings bearings.link computer.trd headgasket 125kw atw or 175hp
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kyleseo
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like ace said, you will never see 190 from the ecu. that description was abit of a lie, especially when the engines notoriuosly don't hit the 165 they're supposed to.

still a nice buy though.

if you go for the emanage setup, first refusal on the ecu if i havn't got myself one by then.
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nickae111
Feb 7 2008, 12:13 PM
Damn that's fast!! nice video!! :D

Ill put in the cams first then worry about management then, might look into emanage ultimate territory.


Would i have to change anything else when i change the cams? like followers or shims? i wouldnt think my standard ones would be worn much, ive only got 48k miles on the engine and its well serviced. Would i have to take the head off?


Well depending on how happy i am with tom's ecu with open throttles and hks exhaust i might just leave the cams and put them up for sale on here!

:D

Buy valve springs and retainers!!!
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no one makes retainers for 20v's but mine are holding up with out issue.

You will want todo your valve springs.
its best to pull the head off todo this...
while the valves are out wire brush them and re lap them into the head
replace the valve stem seals,
match the intake ports to the TB's,
Throw a TRD head gaskit in there,
If you run decent fuel also slightly skim the head since cams lower your dynamic compression... TRD .8mm will take it to 11.4:1

You really dont want to push to much power/rpm on the stock blacktop conrods, the pistons are sweet, just the rods might let go :(

You can run a greedy piggyback with your TOMs chiped ecu :)

You will need to check your shim clearance for the cams, dont know about toda but mine are 10thou on intake and ex, while stock they are 10thou intake 20thou ex
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nickae111
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hmmmm..... interesting......

by running a greddy piggyback do you just mean the emanage? im guessing the TOM's ecu is still going "learn" whatever changes i was to make and revert back to factory settings? Ive got the emanage but i guess ill have to buy the harness's now aswell!!

Well i got my toms ecu and new imec trumpets in 2day!!

must say its a lot quicker!!
i havent taken it up to the rev limiter as such but i have taken it up to 8900 rpm!!!

i got a bit scared after that!!
my cams arrived aswell, just waiting on my manifold now and im flyin!!

ill put up some pictures soon!!
:D
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kyleseo
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the TOMS will take it to 8.9k? :blink:

you want to be careful, thats BT rod throwing area.
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AceSniper
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2nd that with throwing a rod, plus it will be passed your powerband with stock cams.

whats cams are you getting? you are getting all the other things needed to right... springs, pulleys? head rebuild kit
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nickae111
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toda 272 8.5,

dont worry i dont intend going that far up the revs,

whats the highest safe rpm a stock rod blacktop can take?

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AceSniper
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bursts to 8k but iv hurd of them failing in mid rpm so no idea
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TRUENOSAM
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I was told that mine has a apexi race ecu fitted and it is good for 190BHP supposedly but i have to confirm this first.
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kyleseo
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jap branded plug and play ecu's don't give examples of power gains, they just tell you what it will do.

good for 190bhp means with other mods it will cope with that, the ecu won't give you 190bhp.
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Feb 16 2008, 10:25 AM
Hi Guys,

Has any one heard of E&E Systems Freedom ECU for 20V BT?
Not very well known outside of Japan but supposedly very good piece of gear. There was an blog on Club4age.com about it. Personally dont know much about it but looks pretty interesting and can store 4 different maps. I think its also a straight plug in ECU so need for rewiring like with all the other aftermarket ECUs.

FYI

http://www.e-freedom.co.jp/

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pa...20Part%202.html

Freedom's ECU is used in Tsuchiya Sama's AE86 if thats anything to go by...

Apparently anything past 8200rpm is crystal ball territory for the stock Blacktop rods... But like AceSniper said, have heard of other horror stories before XD
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pergie
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anyone have any aftermarket ecu in there car thinkin of gettin one just not sure which one to get
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AceSniper
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Running a link
linkecu.com

but it depends what your local tuners know what todo as the ecu is only as good as the tune.
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levin_awy
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pergie
Feb 16 2009, 09:02 AM
looks good just have to c if anyone over here can map it i hear that there is a power fc for the ae111 aswell it is a remapped sw20 one just tryin to find out if it is true if so ill b lookin for one of them
A few of my mate's have had apexi unit's 'loose pieces of the map' it seems to revert some setting back to the base map and as a result can loose power over time nothing major, didnt do any harm and not sure how common this is but just worth noting.
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BZ-G
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aka Hyper Rev 4...
johnlevin20v
Jul 13 2009, 09:58 PM
wat da best ecu 2 get needs ta be tuneable
read this link below....

http://s15.zetaboards.com/AE111_Forum/topic/6529003/1/#new
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