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Manifold wrapping
Topic Started: Feb 20 2008, 04:13 PM (1,016 Views)
ae111
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just put on a manifold and am interested in heat wrapping it but not sure where to get the material or what material to use!

any suggestions??
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Ae111blast
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Thermo-tec is what i have used!
If its a new uprated one i wouldn't bother just incase it cracks!
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kyleseo
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type in exhaust wrap, or similar on ebay.
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BZ-G
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aka Hyper Rev 4...
i would recommend high heat temperature coating instead of wrapping...
but it depends if it's available in your country or not...
you can get it professionally painted in New Zealand at this website below
HP Coating
or you can buy spary paint which is for high temperature exhausts and DIY it...

it's quick and easy compare to wrapping... at works just as well too... gonna get mine painted later....
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Peter
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ceramic coating is also an option, few companies in australia do this, they do this alot to turbos and turbo manifolds i've also seen intercooler piping done too apparently works fantasic and looks good aswell theres quite a few finishes from bright chrome to matt black blues and reds
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johnnyli
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After chiksluvit's guidance, I wrapped my exhaust header...... thanks chiksluvit! :D

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The fitst started after wraped, anyone want some BBQ? LOL...

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and I recoeded it :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IwQtP1U-2k


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devo
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tats a good job mate,wats wit all the smoke,i really want to do tat with my headers,as since i got the racing ones,i really feel the extra heat within the engine bay now.
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Ae111blast
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The smoke is the heat wrap curing

It basically cooks the first time it gets hot!
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robcam
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Or it could be steam from wetting the wrap which makes it easier to put on.
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Ae111blast
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No its deffinatly its cooking! You get that burning smell and takes awhile to cook where as steam would be gone after a minute.
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chiksluvit
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ok...
final answer: it's a combo of both
Edited by chiksluvit, Sep 18 2008, 10:21 AM.
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Ae111blast
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Ok but it will still do exactly the same if the heat wrap is put on without water.
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chiksluvit
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ya it does, but you wouldnt put it on without water...
if you wait til water's dried, it'll still make the smoke anyway...

my suggestion for people attempting heat wrapping their header is to use hose clamps instead of steel ties, best if you could add steel wires in the combination.

and don't paint it with high temp paint, wrap it wet, and wear gloves

when curing the heatwrap, do it in an open space when car's stationary, or take it for a drive at night, or it'll be pretty embarrassing if you stop at a set of lights and smoke starts coming out of your bonnet... it creates public safety concerns, although there's no real risk involved
Edited by chiksluvit, Sep 19 2008, 08:40 AM.
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devo
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id say they reduce the heat in the engine bay so much tho,there about 60euro here to buy a very good mod indeed.
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bigshark
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is that the dip stick with the red handle beside the battery?? mine is is right just next to the oil filler cap! very clean engine bay btw!
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devo
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good spotting mine is on the left beside the oil cap to
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Ae111blast
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I dunno what it is but it certainly ain't oil dip stick, his is in the exact same place as everyone elses!
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MAC_HATER
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could be for gearbox?

:idk:
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BZ-G
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aka Hyper Rev 4...
that's the automatic trans oil dip stick in the red... next to the battery....
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devo
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oh this car is automatic,wel tat settles tat dip stick saga ha
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frax
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Now that i've got my HKS Superheader II i want to wrap it before i put it in. just wondering whats the best brand to get and where to get it, and how far i should wrap down?
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chiksluvit
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just wrap the runners
dont bother with the collectors or the flex pipe, wrap won't stay on properly and will come off over time

n dont paint the wrap like how some wrap companies recommend...

good wraps include thermotec, DEI... some e-bay ones are good too like the one johnnyli bought b4, stay away from this brand called heatshield products, they're not woverned as tightly and fibreglass flies everywhere in the engine bay.. though it still lasted for about 2 years before it started falling apart

and just use hose clamps to secure it

that said i really need to get my headers rewrapped...
Edited by chiksluvit, Dec 28 2008, 03:51 AM.
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Levin BZR
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Hi guys. Yesterday I heat wrapped my Fujitsubo manifold. I recorded a video of it during the first run.Here is a video and some photos after the first start of my Levin.


:whistle:

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sabajin
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magnificent job mate, i just bought heat wrap too but i dont know how to wrap the manifold. Did you have to remove it? Please give me some advices.

:wave:
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Jin
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Smokin Sick Style! :P
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Apr 18 2009, 07:55 AM
Front wheel 'burn out' ;)
Hehe ! :P

@sabajin: I didn't remove it mate. But it's too difficult on it.. I first put the "tape" in a bucket of water and then wrapped the manifold tight from the top to the bottom. After an hour and a half, I did it :whistle: But it looks amazing!!
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thanks for the tips buddy,ill give it a try today.
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n2o
Apr 18 2009, 01:12 PM
even if you have a stock manifold its a good little mod to do, heat wrap helps get the exhaust out faster as hot air moves faster than cold air
+1

You can feel a little bit of better response :bow:
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Jin
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Hey i was wondering about this wrapping your manifold thing....if you wrap it that means it holds more heat in, so it doesn't escape as much, so your engine bay isnt that hot. Doesnt this also mean that the cat would heat up more now cause the exhaust gases are hotter? It wouldnt be that hot to cause the light in the speedo cluster to come on would it?
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I don't think so buddy.. Nobody as I know had a similar problem before. :cheers:
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chiksluvit
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nuh cat will be fine... in fact running too rich would be harsher on that cat than wrapped manifold...

its good to wrap manifold, keeps engine bay temp down, prolongs the life of rubber and other things around it, cooler intake air, faster scavenging exhaust= better response..
the wrapping process was ugly though, make sure you wear gloves when you do this or your hand will be itchy for a few days...
if you decide not to wear gloves, just don't go to toilet in the middle of wrapping...

you can wrap it while the manifold is in the car, just harder to do and requires more patient and you'll get a sore back after.... took me a whole afternoon to rewrap the HKS racing header while its on car, but only took 30 min for us to wrap the stock headers on adriel's car...
Edited by chiksluvit, Apr 19 2009, 08:46 AM.
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Jin
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chiksluvit
Apr 19 2009, 08:35 AM
if you decide not to wear gloves, just don't go to toilet in the middle of wrapping...


:rotfl: your funny man! Thanks for clearing that up :)

Is there a specific technique on how to wrap it? Like overlaps? And do you start from bottom and go up, or start from top and go down? Thanks...
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Levin BZR
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As chickluvit said USE GLOVES!! I forgot to mentioned it! Use like these I am wearing at the video B) :X :P
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sabajin
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Apr 19 2009, 08:35 AM
1. make sure you wear gloves when you do this or your hand will be itchy for a few days...


2. if you decide not to wear gloves, just don't go to toilet in the middle of wrapping...

1. should have read that before!!!

2. SHOULD HAVE READ THAT BEFORE!!! Now girlfriend is mad at meeee.....

But in the end it was worth the difficulties and the painful positions, my back is still sored....

Indeed it feels a bit more responsive and smoother. But the best part is that the engine bay is way cooler and and heat vanishes faster.

Highly recomended.

piece of advices:

a) WEAR GLOVES, otherwise youll have your hand like if you were atacked by a cat.
b) Tighten the heat wrap the most you can.
c) Get a massage inmediately after you finish wrapping.

:wave:
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frax
Apr 27 2009, 08:39 AM
got my wrap from sydney today thanks for sourcing it for me thomas.

as for the sore back. i havent put my headers in yet :P
USE GLOVES buddy! :P :P
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frax
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oh i will. when i pulled the wrap out of the post bag i discovered the packaging had some hole in it. very itchy :whistle:
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Ae111blast
Apr 27 2009, 10:52 PM
Gloves are advisable but i prefer to put up with the itchyness and you can do it so much easier without gloves but yes you will be itchy for days everywhere, and i wouldn't even bother doing it on the car, sooo much easier when its off.

Read the pack for instructions, its usually about 1/4 overlap and i always start at the top as it looks better at the start.
+1
That's true! I've started at the top first,and it looks great!
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frax
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stupid question but what did you cut the heat wrap with??????
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chiksluvit
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pair of sharp scissors will do...

it's not always possible to get 1/4 overlap due to bends, anywhere btwn 1/2~1/4 overlap is ok
and yeah wet the wrap before you wrap it, and pull it as tight as you can
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frax
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ah ok cheers mate. heat wrap is currently sitting in a bucket of water. hoping to get most of it done today and put the headers in tomorow
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chiksluvit
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yeah.. wetting it will also help your hands to not get as itchy..
once ur done wash ur hands with soap, take a shower and wash as much fibreglass as possible
do it in open area caus u dont want fibreglass flying around inside...
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frax
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chiksluvit
May 3 2009, 05:50 AM
frax
May 2 2009, 08:28 AM
all wrapped up and ready to go in tomorrow. My job sure looks dodgy though :( any hints or advice on removing the stock headers?
got photos of the wrapped headers?
nope. they are in the car though. must say it seems to run so much smoother the whar it was with the stock headers. and fibre glass smells kinda bad when you cook it. only had 3 broken bolts and 1 rounded nut. but the angle grinder made life easy :cheers:
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Kaiser
May 12 2009, 08:04 AM
Is it worth doing this to the stock extractors?
YES it is...
your ass dyno can definitely feel the difference
i did when i had stock extractors, so did others i have recommended this to and actually did it..
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Kaiser
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http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30

Ass dyno, lol :D

I found this on the web, seems to thinks it's not a good idea, cracking manifolds, blowing gaskets.....

Seems like a cheap and easy Mod to do, but I don't want anything in the engine going
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chiksluvit
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i haven't had any problems iwth heat wrapped exhaust nor do i know anyone who has... from NA to turbo, track car or street car...
i dont see how this can blow gaskets.. heat hardly gets passed to the flange let alone gaskets, on stainless steel extractors you see the extractors change in colour due to heat, the flange never changes colour caus it just won't heat up that much since it's thick. plus 4age 20v uses metal gasket between the extractor and the head, I think the engine will die first before that gasket will ever blow..
i understand the logic behind cracking "manifolds" but not "tubular extractors/headers"...

cast manifolds can't be wrapped because the thickness of wall is very uneven, thus uneven expansion causing cracking issues.
some split dump pipe for turbo cars also have cracking problem if not wraped right, mainly because the internal wastegate pipe does not heat up as much as the turbo exhaust outlet pipe, so if wrapped seperately, it'll crack due to uneven expansion. but if you wrap both of the pipes together, it won't, because it'll share the heat and the pipes will get heated up evenly

but ae111 have tubular headers from factory, i'm 99% sure you're not going to have any problems..
and that 1% is for human error, like overlapping too much or not tightening the wrap etc etc..
Edited by chiksluvit, May 12 2009, 04:20 PM.
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adriel
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I also have wrapped headers and i dont have a problem with it.
And you CAN actually feel the difference..
Johnny your car is looking great :bow:
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Kaiser
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Thanks for that.....did you put the heatshield back on after wrapping the stock headers?
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chiksluvit
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Adriel didn't, since he didn't have the shield in the first place. I did and i'd recommend putting it back on to block the radiated heat off anyway.
Johnny did as well
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s14 2510s
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I wraped my hks racing header with header wrap and sealed it with header wrap paint. If you just wrap it and oil gets in the wrap its easy to catch on fire. I had an autocross car of mine once leak oil on the header and it wasnt coated. It caught fire and toasted part of my harness.
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chiksluvit
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yeah gotta be careful with oil... i've heard it does burn when its mixed with wrap too but i haven't personally experienced it
i did have oil dropping on my wrapped HKS headers when i change oil filter quite a few times, but that didn't burn at all.. paint or unpainted..
but yeah wrapping stock headers won't have this problem since you'd only be wrapping the top 4-2 section..
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irishgerard
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Hi boys and girls

Has anyone wrapped their manifold? Does it benifit anything? or just to look pretty? :idk:
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frax
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Levin BZR
May 30 2009, 10:50 PM
Yes,I did! You will gain better response, cooler engine bay, everything in rubber will last more and of course it looks pretty! :D
i have and i agree with everything Levin BZR said :cheers:
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nzbzg
Jul 25 2009, 12:19 AM
ive neva wraped extractors b 4 or used heats wrap any tips ? wana do my standard extractors as you guys reckon it will help :thumbsup:
Use gloves!!! Start from the top and go downstairs if you are going to wrap it on the engine. Your wrap tape must be wet!Good luck!! :)
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Jin
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nzbzg
Jul 25 2009, 09:04 PM
thanks do i needa lap the heat wrap ?
1/4 or 1/2 overlap, or so I've read
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TRUENOSAM
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Did mine on my Accord. Had it on for a while, No problems and was wrapped to the cat

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Sep 2 2009, 08:24 PM
exhaust wraping isnt anyone asking how long your manifold will last, unless you can afford to keep replacing headers its not advisable to go wraping them , ristricts the metal from expanding can cause splits and bad welds to crack, heat spots weaking the metal also dampness getting inside the wraping material whitch causes rusting of the header super fast especially stock headers and oil causing engine bay fires i vote against it lol
that depends
for NA cars there's no problems wrapping the manifold, as long as they're tubular, like the AE111 ones, plus NA cars don't heat up that much anyway

I've just cracked a set of equal length tubular stainless steel exhaust manifold on the R33, but they are not heat wrapped.
Spoke to GCG turbo, the experts in turbo related stuff in sydney, they adv that they often see stainless steel exhaust manifold for turbo cars crack due to rapid heating and cooling, as stainless dissipates heat a lot quicker, from local brand to Japanese stuff, but cracking isn't so much of a problem on cast manifold due to the mass, it doesnt cool down and heat up as rapidly as stainless.

but do not wrap cast manifolds whether its turbo or NA, the wall thickness is uneven and it will crack due to uneven expansion.

so rapid heating and cooling, or uneven thickness of material (cast metal; welds on stainless) with extreme heat (like turbo manifold, they glow red when you hit boost) causing different level of expansion, also bad exhaust fitment causing stress on exhaust are the reasons that'll cause it to crack . I wouldnt really worry about NA extrators however.

Edited by chiksluvit, Sep 4 2009, 10:08 AM.
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i also got told it causes rust to set in even fastser on a manifold due to condensation getting trapped between the wrapping over night and stuff like that ,i have a stainless steel manifold it gives out alot of heat would i be wise to wrap it , iv already protected every thing around the manifold with reflect a cool except the rad for obvious reasons ,
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the logic does make some sense if the car isn't driven much and that the manifold gets wet somehow

However, usually when exhaust rusts, you'll find that it always rust more on the inside. 95% of the condensation is from there, and you'll realise you'll always have some water there when the car's cold, since exhaust gas contains water vapour.

but if it's stainless, rust wouldnt be a worry, and if there was any water on the actual headers for any reason, turn ur car on and within 1 minute it'll be dried.
and heat wrap isn't that great at catching moisture anyway, compared to say a cotton t-shirt. Even if it was parked in the rain, it'll be pretty much dried as soon as the roads dry up.

I wouldnt worry about rust even if it was wrapped on the mild steel factory headers on the 4age 20v.

Heat wrapping means less radiated heat, some gets transformed into the form of exhaust gas velocity, so quicker exhaust gas dissipation= more power, less heat so easier on rubber or plastic like engine mount or fluid such as brake fluid in your clutch line, the benefits far outweight the cons.
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used them for more than 2 years already, it's on a custom stainless steel 4-2-1 header... and it's still okay, except for the bottom parts (2nd section) it's torn abit but I've tied them with steel wires...
guess would still be usable for another 2 years... :bow:
I'm using Thermo-Tec 1,200...

wet and dry... well i'm in Malaysia, tropical whether with plenty of rain and sun... :cheers:
Edited by meg_omen, Sep 8 2009, 12:09 AM.
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Ever had a look at the stock 2-1 on a blacktop? The factory piping is covered in some sort of fibre material then there is the tin covers over top. When i pulled all of this off one i had at home there was a bit of surface rust but this section was off a wreck that has been sitting at a wrecking yard so i imagine a stock manifold would be fine (so long as its not sitting round round months on end without being used)
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I read somewhere that your manifold must be fully rust free before wrapping the manifold. Because my manifold is pretty rusty and i'm not sure if i should still wrap them.
Is this true? Or doesn't it matter that much?
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Jc.
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Im just assuming here but if its rusty with the wrapping on them.
then it might just crack easier due to all the heat.

but also is it surface rust or is it straight through the pipe?

if its surface rust just brush it off with a tooth brush or something.
then depending on the condition wrap them.
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BZR4AGE
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I've heard before that exhaust wrapping can crack extractors due to excessive heat. Is this true? otherwise I am wrapping mine too! :evil:
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Jc.
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Not so much on a NA vehicle.
but its always a possibility,
im going to wrap mine when i install my headers too.
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irietuning
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What length of wrap is required to do a standard manifold?

Also, what is a the best thickness and with to use or does it not matter?
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Bryan BZ-R
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Youd haveto take off the manifold to wrap it yea?
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Jc.
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not really, its just alot more easier cause things are in your way.
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meg_omen
Sep 8 2009, 12:08 AM
used them for more than 2 years already, it's on a custom stainless steel 4-2-1 header... and it's still okay, except for the bottom parts (2nd section) it's torn abit but I've tied them with steel wires...
guess would still be usable for another 2 years... :bow:
I'm using Thermo-Tec 1,200...

wet and dry... well i'm in Malaysia, tropical whether with plenty of rain and sun... :cheers:
remove the thermal wrap last weekend, coz it's already closed to 3 years usage... the wrap give out the fiber dust, so remove them so that my mech can work easily without any itch feeling...

found that stainless steel do 'rust'... only not similar to the rust on normal steel... :wall:


so BZR4AGE you might want to consider coz your FGK header look awesome... :whistle:
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random rs
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what length do you need to do the stock manifolds??
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random rs
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just wrapped mine yesterday, had a spare stock mani so wrapped it out of the car, was a bit tricky, be a pig on the car id say.... used the steel ties but ill be changing them for hoseclamps as there not a great fitting
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Good job! :) I have to re-do mine.. -_-
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Ledge`
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Has anyone used Redline Performance heat wrap on the extractors?

Not sure whether wetting them is recommended before application.
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I haven't used that stuff but what I have used is what most Repco's stock and is similar. Didn't bother putting it on wet and has lasted well. Pro tip - use cv boot clips and they turn an awesome bluey colour :thumbsup:
Infact thinking of taking my manifold off again to fix a leak and I'll definately get the repco wrap again.
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Yeah it does seem good quality, goes on really well. Using a vice to hold the extractors tight helps 1000 x lol. Didn't wet it either.

Done two pipes yesterday then ran out of clips. :( Finishing off today, will share a photo. Looks really sweet. :thumbsup:
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andy t
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wrap is comming off my mani & needs to be done again ,
il take a few pics when done, tis a hks manifold aswell
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