Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
clubae111.com is the largest community forum of English speaking AE111 owners on the internet today with over 2000 members plus a wealth of information and resources relating to the AE111 chassis and 4A-GE engines.

Join our community today!

If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Greddy E-manage
Topic Started: Jan 19 2008, 02:50 PM (869 Views)
markg-h2o
Member Avatar
Stage 5
hi guys would it be a good idea 2 get a greddy emanage hooked up 2 da car as i wouldnt mind gettin her remaped but have an option between mabey 2 or 3 different maps
would an emanage b ideal for this or would i be better just to get a new performance ecu or just remap da old 1?
opinions welcome
thanks ,Mark
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
20sideways
Member Avatar
20sideways
hw much wud 1 of those cost man??? id say unless ur lanning serious power then a f-con wud b just as goon nd cheaper aswl!!! plus it can carry 2 maps!!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JohnnyBZG
Member Avatar
Needs to Try Harder
Greddy Blue with all the appropriate harnesses/CD tool etc can be got for €400 these days...the Ultimate around €6-700....
Ye need to find someone that can map it for you though...
AFAIK you can't remap the original ECU....reverts back to factory maps.....need something to fool the standard ECU into thinking it's getting the 'right signals' the Greddy system has vehicle specific harnesses that will overcome this...think it only has space for 2 maps...not sure....plus you can revert to the factory map as a sort of limp home (base) mode if anything happens to the emanage.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
markg-h2o
Member Avatar
Stage 5
yea emanage blue isnt 2 bad cince dey brought out da ultima around €400 lik johhny said but id still need 2 get it mapped
dont mean 2 sound lik an ejit but how do u mean an f-con
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JP89
Member Avatar
Stage 6
I really like this idea lad - how much wud this cost and wat kind of power gain wud u get out of the remap
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JohnnyBZG
Member Avatar
Needs to Try Harder
I thought the basic HKS FCon was for boost applications- has a FCD to prevent fuel cut on overboost. It has no ignition timing control

The FCon SZ is a fuel/ignition piggyback- but it is more expensive than the Greddy Blue/Ultimate

The V pro is a standalone and is way more expensive again...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
20sideways
Member Avatar
20sideways
i have v-con pro but got it as present so dont know wat it costs??? havnt evn taken it out of box yet lol:L:L Ifu can get the 1 for 400 quid fitted then it sounds good!!!! i think apexi do a decent one 2??? talk 2east coast customs b4 u decide neway!!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator


At the very least use a ultimate or go full stand alown, on a stock engine you will gain a little at WOT by advancing the timming aslong as your fuel can handle it, I run 48deg advance with out issue... more than that performance drops off and get deto.


GReddy e-manage Ultimate
58 720 Japanese yen = 279.334216 British pounds

http://www.greenline.jp/catalogue/bccatpar...ory=electronics
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
smithy
Member Avatar
Stage 4
The E-manage Ultimate is defo on my list of to do things .............. Vems do a great standalone ECU for these cars aswell but as its a standalone its a bit pricey!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

I run a vems wideband and it works well

rember with these piggybacks you can wire them in and drive them untuned at normal settings, while a standalown when its wired in you will be lucky to have it idling before you go get it tuned
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
nickae111
Member Avatar
Stage 4
Ive just bought a greddy emanage with injector and ignition harness's and i need some help sorting out the wires! has anyone fitted one of these to a blacktop before who can help me? I can fit it ok myself i just need to know where each wire goes etc.

I think this would be a pretty good thread to help people in the future as a lot of people seem to be interested in getting one at some point!

Cheers, Nick :blink:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
markg-h2o
Member Avatar
Stage 5
hey nick , u should be able to get all the info u need here
http://www.greddy.com/tech/ there is even a instalition manual u can download
let us no how u get on , u get the blue one or the ultima?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

is it a wire-in/solder job? everything you need will be on the ecu plugs just make your cuts there. its abit tight but should be able to pull them out the passenger side abit.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
nickae111
Member Avatar
Stage 4
right so i dont need to connect it to any injectors just the injector connections at the ecu?!! that makes things a heck of a lot easier!

still alot of soldering!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
pa-boi
Member Avatar
Stage 4
Yea i have heard good thing about the greedy piggyback ecu. If you want to get any major increse in power this is the right way o go about it. If you can get it cheap i wouldnt turn it down to be honest
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JP89
Member Avatar
Stage 6
20sideways
Feb 7 2008, 08:04 PM
JP89
Feb 7 2008, 06:39 PM
Lads if u wanted to get these cars up to the 200 mark wat ECU is needed and wat else du u need,
heard a well mapped ECU can bring them up to 190bhp.
Is dis true??? ;)

hey dude, give this man a call and hel tell u anythin u need 2 know abt tuning the ae111!!!!!
Gunt engineerin 0879250320

Tanks lad!!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

quest to 200hp, you want stronger rods, 12ish comp, 304 9mm + cams, no vvt, match ports
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JP89
Member Avatar
Stage 6
I found this Greddy E-manage Ultimate and was just wondering wat ye thought and also wat harness(s) i shud get wit it for my Trueno???

https://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRUST-E-Manage...Main-Unit-18517
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JohnnyBZG
Member Avatar
Needs to Try Harder
Better off getting the Field one touch coupler/full harness if you can afford it....depends what you want to control....ignition/AF etc....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

just get a wire in loom, all you have to do is wire it all in down by your ecu...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5

any one give me alist of whats needed to run an emanage unit on the 4age? any sensors, harnesses etc required

cheers
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mikey Jay
Member Avatar
Stage 6
Lots of money? :P
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5

far from it :wacko:
prices are dropping as well.

just things i would like to have planned for when i do have the dollar!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DreadAngel
Member Avatar
Han Lue
Hey Kyle, apart from the standard kit, you'll need the optional wiring harness, I think its the Ignition Timing Harness, this will stop the ECU from rejecting the Piggyback Signals :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5

damn, harnesses are expensive!

lead to believe there are no direct harnesses available for the ae111 so needs to be hard wired into the factory loom, not a problem if it needs to be done though.

any chance you could find me a link for a suitable kit?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DreadAngel
Member Avatar
Han Lue
Untrue bro :P

Here it is, just as reference Link

Quote:
 
GReddy E-Manage Accessory: ECU Harness 15910902
Item number 4073
For use with Greddy E-Manage units. ECU Harness makes wiring in an e-manage unit as simple as plug and play. Suitable for the following cars:

    * 3S-GTE SW20 1989.10-1999.7
    * 3S-GE† SW20 1989.10-1993.9
    * 4A-GE† AE111 1995.5-2000.7
    * 4A-GE AE101 1991.6-1995.4† A/T
    * 3S-GTE† ST205 1994.2-1997.7

Price : £ 110.00 (including VAT)


Right there bro ;)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5
good man!

any idea why there is an astrix/cross next to it? can't find a key. usually a stupid requirement!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

hardwire it not hard :yay:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5

wouldn't hard wire it myself, i don't like electrics! :wacko:

are there any sensors specifically required for a ae111 setup?

so need unit, adapter harness dreanposted? anything else?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LevinItUp
Stage 4
Hey Guys,


A mate of mine bought an Emanage Ultimate for his Skyline GTST, but chickened out and went and bought a RicerFC... I mean PowerFC. I can buy the Emanage for a good price, and get it installed and tuned for 250 dollars (AUS) in Brisbane (Twincam.Org special offer).

Is the Emanage any good? I've always heard no... but given a cheap aftermarket ECU has got to be better than stock :P I thought I'd ask.

Comparitively, the ECU I would want to go for is a Haltech, and would cost me 2200 AUD Installed. We're talking under 1k for the Emanage Ultimate.


Oh... and the Levin is going on the Dyno on Saturday. Pretty much all my issues with the car have been ironed out so I want to see how much HP she makes. Stock except for aftermarket trumpets and back muffler (had to remove my catch can, need to get proper hoses).

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
20sideways
Member Avatar
20sideways
the emanage is pretty much the best piggyback unit ther is, unless u wanna spend a fortune goin standalone!!!!!! at that price u shud go 4 it, been lookin at em for a while now, ther seems 2b a lot of different add ons 2!!!!! give it a go, do a dyno before and after and then post ur results ere!!!! :D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JohnnyBZG
Member Avatar
Needs to Try Harder
DreadAngel
Apr 2 2008, 12:35 PM
Haltech E6x is a standalone from what I'm reading so its difficult to compare it to the Trust E-Manage as its a Piggyback. Its better to compare it to say a Power FC or F-Con V Pro. The E-Manage is comparable with the SAFC, Access, F-Con iS, etc

Of all the Piggybacks, I thnik the E-Manage is the best, it manages to be somewhat between a full standalone and a Piggyback. :)

All about money bro :P

for piggyback Emanage FTW.....
And that price for an Ultimate is too good to miss.....go on you know 'we' want you to...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LevinItUp
Stage 4
I'm just curious about whether it has an input for the knock sensor, as I have heard that Emanage's dont do anything about knock....
Any truth to that?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DreadAngel
Member Avatar
Han Lue
Here is some reading for you bro :D

Link!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
20sideways
Member Avatar
20sideways
http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRUST-E-Manage...s-Toyota-17132#

http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRUST-E-Manage...Main-Unit-18517

does anyone know if all i need is these 2 items 2 get the emanage running???? like with the harness, does that mean thers no wiring & soldering 2 do??? and can anyone in ireland map these???

DreadAngel,Apr 9 2008
03:35 PM
From RHDJapan

"The item is a multi-functional piggy-back/sub-computer which will easily allow for highly advanced tuning from light to heavily modified engines. By using either the vehicle specific harnesses or the universal harness (for clean installation a FIELD one-touch coupler comes highly recommended with the universal harness) the item can be used on just about any Japanese vehicle."

So I guess if you get from these guys, sounds like you need to get the VSH, but remember our cars also need the Optional Ignition Harness :) Get the Ultimate stuff if you're getting the Ultimate E-Manage hehehe

which harness is the ignition harness??? u got a link 4 it????? i just rang east coast customs and theyl fit and map the emanage for 400stg!!!!!

JohnnyBZG,Apr 10 2008
07:59 PM
20sideways,Apr 10 2008
11:40 AM
LevinItUp,Apr 10 2008
03:12 AM
Missed out on my mates Emanage... and it turns out the offer for an install and tune for 250 is no longer valid... oh well. Anyway has anybody got an Emanage on their 20v, or better yet an Emanage Ultimate? I'm curious to hear how it went, any issues encountered etc.

il have an ultimate fitted in a few weeks so will let you know then, plus i got someone to fit and map it around a hundred miles away so couldnt be happier :D

What 'extras' you getting?

What harness, any knock sensor, one touch coupler etc???

Are you getting the software too or will your 'mapper have that?

And who/where is he...

gettin the ultimate, ignition harness and te plug & play!!!! east coast customs up north are fitting & tuning it!!!!! the said thats all the stuff il need, not much point in all te other extras cause wont really need em!!!! prob save up & get cams and a few other things b4 it goes 2 get mapped!!!!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IISTROKE
Member Avatar
Stage 4
what the difference with the emanage ultimate and emanage blue? is there a real big difference? is it worth getting the blue version?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JP89
Member Avatar
Stage 6
I was after 1 of these for a wile but now i hav been told by a few people that no one in ireland can map them even though they are widely used and very effective in the UK :idk:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JohnnyBZG
Member Avatar
Needs to Try Harder
I'm sure someone mentioned someone up north does the mapping...surely there's someone in Ireland, it can't be rocket science...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IISTROKE
Member Avatar
Stage 4
Hay guys im thinking of getting an emanage ultimate, it comes with the software and the universal harness. Just wondering do i need the optional harness like the emanage blue? and does anyone have a wiring diagram for it as it does not come with any manuals..cheers
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
there's no plug n play harness for ae111 for the e-manage ultimate.... no ae111 kit either, it's only available to the e-manage blue
so you'll have to splice into the stock wiring loom, i guess you could potentially buy the optional loom for e-manage blue and modify it if you're confident enough
http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/
try this for e-manage diagrams...
Edited by chiksluvit, Jul 30 2008, 02:10 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IISTROKE
Member Avatar
Stage 4
o ok is that what youve done to yours? and just wondering has anyone experienced the ecu reverting back to normal a couple of weeks after tuning?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
nuh mine's an e-manage blue...
Greddy made a e-manage blue kit for ae111, comes with loom and everything
but it's not available with e-manage ultimate, there's no ae111 kit with that..

stock ecu will override it if you just get the generic kit without optional harness/harness kit.
but it won't revert back to normal if you use a full harness, since you'll be using the e-manage to actually read the map sensor, control the injectors, and ignition...

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kyleseo
Stage 5
Can use a field one touch connector to avoid splicing the factory loom.
Edited by kyleseo, Jul 30 2008, 04:20 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IISTROKE
Member Avatar
Stage 4
o ok well i can get an emanage blue with the optinal harneses for the same price as the ultimate which is $500 but the emanage blue doesnt have the software cd or manuals.. shud i just get the emanage blue?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
ya the support kit (cd rom) needs to be purchased seperately for blue...

if you get the generic e-manage blue kit and optional harness, you still need to initialise the jumper setting on the e-manage for ae111, the generic manual tells you how

if you get the ae111 specific kit, which also includes the harness in the same package, and pre-set settings, then you won't even need the manual, just plug it in and start the car
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

from a tuning prospective the ultimate is years ahead of the blue... so if you plan to do engine work go ultimate even though you have to wire it in.

haven't seen a ultimate have trouble with the stock ecu ignoring it... as its more advanced, its older piggy backs like SAFC and fuel only adjusters
Edited by AceSniper, Jul 31 2008, 05:41 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
the stock ecu can't ignore the blue either if full harness is wired up

i think the biggest advantages that the ultimate has over the blue, are resolution (blue's 16x16 and ultimate's 32x32?), a big plus with the ultimate is that the ultimate can raise rev limit, which is essential if you do heavy engine work.. there are some additional functions with the ultimate which may or maynot be useful depends on whether you'll be using it or not, such as additional maps, switching between maps from the unit, datalogger... etc
i think the newer ultimate version also has auto map tracer which makes tuning a lot easier

i'll probably just get the bee-R rev limiter down the track to combat the rev limiter issue if i have to, the blue will do the job for now
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IISTROKE
Member Avatar
Stage 4
o ok thanx guys ive decided to get the ultimate so hopefully evrything goes well. got it for $500 NZD and thot that was a real good price to pass up so yeah.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AE111todamax
Stage 1
hi guys i just want to know if someone was to purchase an e manage (blue) or ultimate an put it in their ae111 how well would it perform by doing that?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

there is a cam'd ae111 here with a ultimate, didnt go to bad but it does show its limits... like not been able to raise rpm limiter
http://s15.zetaboards.com/AE111_Forum/topic/6541151/1/#new
Edited by AceSniper, Mar 24 2009, 03:19 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
I've got blue, for fine tuning it'll do the job fine...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AE111todamax
Stage 1
thanks guys but i meant stock wise, if your ae111 is stock and you install an e manage what would be the results? is it worth it? would anything get damage?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DreadAngel
Member Avatar
Han Lue
All depends on your tuner...

Your car's potential with the ECU is only going to be as good as the Tuner. If your tuner stuffs up then bye bye engine. If your tuner is good and smart, he/she will be able to map out something with gutso but also fuel conscious and reliable.

Stock motor wise, who knows... All you can do is fix up the conservative mapping by Toyota which might net you just a lil. There are bottlenecks in the AE111s ancillaries which prevent you from getting any decent gains from tuning.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
I have a E-manage ultimate with my highly modified Engine. Wouldn't recommend it really. Trying to get rid of it now and get something else. Not a lot of people know how to tune it probably.

But I have to be fair, it really is dependent on how good your local tuner is. In New Zealand, no one knows how to tune E-manage probably. Haven't seen good result with any other NZ car using E-manage.

In conclusion, get something that your local tuner knows best, not "ummm yet I know how to tune it".

Daniel
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZ-G
Member Avatar
aka Hyper Rev 4...
totally agree....
no matter if you're buying cheap ecu or expensive ecu... it all comes down to the tuner to maximise the full benefit of it...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Z33kdud3
Stage 6
ok guys my head might be alittle hard here but am still confused ^o), ive seen a couple topics on the Emanage and my question is, le't say ive got a good tuner, can the Emanage blue work on a blacktop harness without any problems or it's a MUST i have to change it? because this was my field as well to get some forge pistons, but what can i get to feed the pistons with fuel? whats the best tool possible? because at first i saw that the emanage is what works best with blacktop now am hearing it's crap?? :ermm: make up your mind lol
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
When you say blacktop harness, I will assume you are refering to the factory ECU loom. From my understanding, if you use e-manage blue, you will need to get the special harness and wire it into the factory ECU loom, orelse the settings will be reverted by the Factory ECU. For me (using the ultimate), I just did a wire in without a special loom, and its fine.

People say E-manage is good because is probably the only JDM aftermarket ECU for the blacktop. In New Zealand, a lot of people will recommend a LINK or a Motec. When I have enough funds, I will be ditching the E-Manage and swap it with a LINK.

If you are so positive about using an E-manage, I just pray that your tuner understands japanese, and KNOWS what he is doing. The mapping program looks simple, but when you actually start doing it, is a lot harder than other ECU.

My car was tuned by a japanese in New Zealand. He reads and writes japanese, and used to be the head machanic of Nissan and did work for Apexi (I know he is not from trust). But even with his extensive knowledge with engines and aftermarket products, even he himself said the E-manage is "no good...very hard to tune, waste lots of time"

My HONEST recommendation is...get what your local tuner use normally, and not just go for something JDM ! I learnt this the hard way. If you ask around people from this forum, like Acesniper with 128kw atw, he will also say the same thing.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

:)
when buying a ecu you want to go for a brand/make that the tunner you want to use knows how to tune with good results.
secondly you need to look at the input-output's and decide if it has all the features you want to run.
Also tuning quads is a lot harder than a single throttle body, most of the time you need TPS tuning not vacuum.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Z33kdud3
Stage 6
ight makes sense guys,why did the Japanese made the damn emange soo difficult? was it made for just Japanese to use? i thought they would want to sell it world wide to make money yo thats bull crap :@
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
Japanese do things differently, they measure things differently. I have the software too for the e-manage ultimate. In my opinion, is not a bad item, is just that they made it too complex for the your everyday tuner to understand. Surely, those trained in Japan will have no problem at all, but those who are used to Motec, Haltech, Link, megasquit etc etc will have not got a clue how to tune the e-manage probably, because it just works differently. You should download the E-manage manual off the net and have a look, it looks easy in the manual, but to actually get it to work is another thing. I've tried many times to remove the rev limit with no success so far. No one else on here seems to know too.

I will share a my experience with you. When my engine was built, the shop owner convinence me to install an e-manage ultimate too. He said you can't go wrong with a big brand name. I asked him if he is confident in tuning it, and he said yes.

When the engine was all done, I was looking forward to a good result after the tune, but instead he said he couldn't tune it properly because of the intake temp being too high, which I knew was a load of crap.

I then went to the Japanese guy, (the one I mentioned above), he produced 120KW out of a hub dyno with the only thing different being the extractor I added. He showed me the before and after tune. Before he tuned, the air/fuel ratio was all over the place, so the first guy i went to didn't even know what he is doing, despite him selling me the unit.

I've asked around many different place, and none in Auckland can confidently say they know how to tune it probably, apart from saying "umm we can give it a try", or a striaght No answer.

And about going world wide with products..who wouldn't want to, but I am pretty sure a majority of aftermarket sales of apexi, trust, greddy, mines etc etc are still within Japan, and only a small % of sales contribute from overseas. I was in Japan once, and went to a aftermarket shop, is just like a supermarket, and Japanese will spend big money. They shop just like if they were in a grocery shop and putting stuff into trolleys and wheeling them out.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
I found the e-manage tuning software quite easy to understand...
Its very Simillar to Datalogit for Apexi PFC, so if someone can tune PFC with datalogit, I dont see why they can't operate e-manage tuning program.
Datalogit's from NZ too...

Microtech is an ECU for dummy tuners, or rotors. The tuning software is easy to operate
Haltech had DOS tuning software, despite my love for DOS, I didnt like it that much.. Now Haltech's got tuning software for windows so I guess it's going to be a lot better and user friendly.
Don't know about other ECUs though, since I've only seen and played around with these softwares..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
Like I said previously, it looks easy to use "in theory", but is a completely different story trying to get it to do the things you want it to do.

In "other tuning software", you would expect something to happen if you adjusted the fuel ratio. But for the e-manage, according to my Japanese tuning, he needed to play around with the Fuel ratio maps, acceleration maps, injector duty cycle maps etc etc.

But in all fairness, i must say, an e-manage is only a piggyback, and that a haltech, link, motec etc are all standalone...so maybe you need more data to loop around the standard ecu??

Anyone else whos actually running a E-manage Ultimate or Blue in their car, and while we are here, anyone got screenshots to remove the rev-limit please??? Or how to set a new rev limit?

Cheers!
Edited by BZR4AGE, Jun 28 2009, 06:22 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
I'm not objecting what you've said, its just some tuners aren't capable of using it.
I'm no tuner but I could operate the software. I did the IGT map myself.

Being a piggyback, tuning the AFR requires use of injector map and air fuel map. Since its piggyback, values you make on the injection map vs outcome will not be linear, unlike full standalone like Power fc where 3 points inj map adjustment makes about 1 AFR difference, likewise for other full standalone.
for argument's sake, Emanage probably makes 1 AFR diff in loadpoint A with 5 points of adjustment and 0.5AFR difference in loadpoint B, since it works with stock ecu, plus you'll need to use the map sensor correction with so it requires a lot of patience to get it tuned right.

But its not to say it won't work well, your car pulling 120kw on hub dyno is the best proof.

also re. rev limit removal..
you really need someone who's an expert at this to get this tuned.
say your rev limit's 8200rpm.

on the e-manage ultimate you set the switch on @ 8000rpm
so past 8000rpm, EMU will totally ignore the stock ECU signals and just run purely on the values the tuner entered. in other words its running like a standalone past the switching point, hence increasing the rev limit.
there is a limit with this too, the map resolution isn't that high past the point, takiing your rev limit further by say 1000rpm should be ok, but if you want to take it further by say 3000rpm then you'll find the resolution too low.

Since it totally ignores stock ECU with a new fresh map past the override point, if the values in the map aren't entered in correctly then you'll risk blowing the engine. So you'll need a pro who is very familliar with 4AGE to do this.
You could use EMU to read the factory maps before the rev limit as a reference, work out a conservative estimate (lesser timing, more injector duration), and enter those initial value into the override map as the base map, then fine tune it from there.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
Hey Chiksluvit

Thanks for your reply, don't worry, I am not saying you are objecting my comment. All good!

Like I said above, the main message I was trying to get across to AE111todamax is:

"My HONEST recommendation is...get what your local tuner use normally, and not just go for something JDM !"

Like you said, not everyone is capable of tuning it probably. You just answered my question, if I understood what you said, there is more involvement tuning a piggyback compared with a standalone???

For my e-manage, its not consistent all the time. This is due to Toyota ECU being a self learning ECU, it stuffs around with figures. I've proven this on a dyno while acesniper was with me. we made a few more KW atw when we resetted the factory ECU.

Thats why I am recommending to stay away from the e-manage, and get a standalone if you want consistent power. The main reason why I am not happy with the E-manage and switching to a standalone ECU

Edited by BZR4AGE, Jun 28 2009, 08:32 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chiksluvit
Member Avatar
[OO\_____/OO]
There are lots of involvement in tuning both standalone and piggyback, in a different way...
with piggybacks you have things like inconsistant results, non-linear results from adjustments, interference from standard ECU which you'll need to worry about

with standalone you've got things like the initial maps to worry about, closed loop maps, temp compensation/adjustments, sensor setting, idle, and many other things to worry about. Some standalone ecus work with standard sensors and self tuned close loop map, some with base maps for specific engines which makes life a bit easier. Some however need their own sensors to work with some function, then some standalone lacks certain function like close loop, etc etc.....
getting a full standalone is great and you have a lot more flexibility but that also means a lot more effort to get it done right.
Accuracy of piggyback is its weak point, but its a lot quicker to setup and there are less things you'd need to worry about since you can use stock ecu to handle things like temp compensation, close loop, idle, etc..

That's why I'm ok with piggybacks since EMU is good value for money, although not as accurate but takes a lot of headache out of the initial settings. some full standalones with basemap for 4age 20v, close loop control, retaining factory sensor is also great if budget allows.
that's my 2 cents
Edited by chiksluvit, Jun 28 2009, 09:04 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
meg_omen
Member Avatar
Stage 5
Chris@CCM
Jul 12 2009, 03:54 PM
i dont see how emanage is hard to tune guys i tune alot of starlet ep82s and ep91s using it and have no great probs with it. i seen a post saying u cant up the rev limtter with EMU thats wrong you can and its not hard at all
can you advise the parts need to run em-blue on 4age20v...
apart from the basic harness and ignition harness???

appreciate the help... :cheers:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZR4AGE
Member Avatar
JDM TODA
I didn't say EMU can't up it, I said I am struggling to do it myself. Can you tell me how?

EP82 and EP91 have very different engine to AE111 and AE101. I am sure the 20V is more advance compared with the EP82 and 91 (with VVT etc etc).

And also, I have proven on the dyno that the EMU is inconsistent. Did a couple of dyno runs before and after resetting the factory ECU. It gain a few KW atw after resetting the factory ECU, and hence after driving a while, the factory ECU changes data itself so the EMU settings won't provide Peak performance again - Ace can prove this as he did the dyno with me


BTW, anyone interested, I will have the EMU up and on sale soon
Edited by BZR4AGE, Jul 13 2009, 02:46 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BZ-G
Member Avatar
aka Hyper Rev 4...
yeah the starlet engines are a lot more simple to tune compared to the ae111 engines..
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AceSniper
Member Avatar
Global Moderator

huge issue with 20v tuning is the quads... above 30ish % throttle you have no vacuum on the map sensor to tune off... so you need to tune using he TPS input... I dont know but that could cause issues when trying to tune a piggyback type setup.

If you have removed a ep rev limiter I guess the same method should work for 20v.... but from what iv herd since the ecu isn't mapped passed the 8k as soon as you exceed it you have to map for the full fuel/ign map instead of "editing" the stock map
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
blah
Member Avatar
Stage 4
Does anyone have the Greddy E-Manage Blue base map for the ae111?

My Blue came off a different car
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
20vees
Member Avatar
Stage 4
the blue beast has emanage blue mapped pm him id say he might oblige you :idk:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

blah
Dec 12 2009, 10:41 AM
Does anyone have the Greddy E-Manage Blue base map for the ae111?

My Blue came off a different car
i have a e-mange blue in my car, i don't understand wat you want tho ??
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

ok, wen i drive the light is always green on the e-manage blue, but at say 2000-3000rpm if just cruiseing the light goes orangey red sumtimes, then wen i accelerate, even gentle tap the pedal it goes back to green. does this meen it is working ??? how would i no if its standard ecu is ignoring the e-manage, the guy that tunned it recommended the blue and got it for me so he no's wat he is doing and said to bring the car back to him as he wants more time to fine tune for best result as i kinda rushed him. but i want to run cams is there much point of using the blue or should i go for ultimate ? im getting a bit confused with the harness talk, is there more than one type for the e-mange ? mine is plugged into the unit and soldered into ecu..
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Levin BZR
Member Avatar


blue and ultimate are almost the same thing buddy. It's better to go for a stand alone ECU if you want to change your cams.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

ye i was reading the difference between them and it didn't seem like much, just the stand alone be alot of money the more to get it mapped, i got the blue+install+map for €350, and he wants her back for more free tunning i just want to up the mods first hahaha

would the blue not be able handle cam work or just not get the most out of them ???
Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
ZetaBoards gives you all the tools to create a successful discussion community.
Learn More · Register Now
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · ECU / Electronics · Next Topic »
Add Reply