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Megasquirt; Plug and play for 20v!
Topic Started: Jun 15 2010, 02:57 AM (502 Views)
Z33kdud3
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does anyone have any info about getting a chipped ecu or trade yours for one? i heard the japs has that kinda service where you send in your factory ecu and they replace it with a remapped ecu for couple hundred? could someone explains how this work and if it's worth it? anyone tried it?
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touge_trueno
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where are you? there has got a guy on toyspeed chipping ecu's with the megasquirt daughterboard for about 750nzd.

have been in a car with one installed. huge improvement! can highly recommend. megasquirt software is right up there too suprisingly since its free!!
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Z33kdud3
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touge_trueno
Jun 15 2010, 03:03 AM
where are you? there has got a guy on toyspeed chipping ecu's with the megasquirt daughterboard for about 750nzd.

have been in a car with one installed. huge improvement! can highly recommend. megasquirt software is right up there too suprisingly since its free!!
i'm in the caribbean, not quite ready yet to purchase one but getting prepared, 750nzd for the trade or he just sells them for that price? what does it improves? any more info?
Edited by Z33kdud3, Jun 15 2010, 03:30 AM.
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touge_trueno
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i'll try find the toyspeed advert for it. 750 is for exchange but i think he will do them for an extra 100-150nzd with no exchange as postage for you wouldn't be cheap.

basically its a direct plug in to your loom with the megasquirt hardware installed. all you need to do is download megasquirt software for free :thumbsup:. has all the basic functions of a standalone ecu with lots of different maps etc plus a handy self-learn feature so you don't need to do heaps of base tuning.
also comes with an ITB mode which was especially developed for the 20V! loads of other features like launch control, boost control, all adjustments etc. i was very impressed when my mate showed me all the tuning options, they are everything you would expect from a standalone ecu but really cheap!!just need to buy a usb cable and have a laptop and you're sorted!

they have a very helpful forum too which they use to help everyone out.
have a look here: http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html

toyspeed link: http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=75351&highlight=20v+programmable
hopefully you can see that if you're not a member.
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Z33kdud3
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thanks for the info touge_trueno, toyspeed would not aloow me to read forum unless am a member but i will sure to check next link. anyone else have any experience from this could share it with me as well. thanks B)
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20vLevin
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I would be very interested aswell mate!
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touge_trueno
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here is the initial post. i think there is a description on the trademe link (which is expired) that will give you some info too.

Factory toyota 4age 20v ecu (blacktop or silvertop) fitted with the new MicroSquirt Module running the ms2extra firmware.

Perfect for a 20v 4agte or N/A screamer but gains can still be made on a stock engine.

Upgraded injectors can be used but will need to be high impedance unless ballast resistors are wires in series with them.

http://www.microsquirtmodule.com/index.htm

http://www.msextra.com

http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/

http://www.efianalytics.com/MegaLogViewer/

Includes a cd with tuning software and manuals.

Allow several weeks for ordering/assembly.

Specs:
Fuel table size: 16x16
Spark table size: 12x12
AFR table size: 12x12
RPM resolution: 1rpm
Advance resolution: 0.1deg
Automatic mixture control: Yes
Sequential Injection: Yes
CAN communications: Yes
Built-in Map Sensor: 2.5Bar (21 psi boost)
VVT control: Yes

These are built to order so allow several weeks for ordering/assembly.
Prices for Toyspeed members are $650 exchange.

I can also set these up for wasted spark or CoilOverPlug ignition.

Includes tuning cable.

If your laptop doesnt have a 9 pin serial port (usually only found on older laptops) I can supply a usb-serial adaptor for $20.

update:(later in thread)
The MS3 daughterboard has just been released.
This is like the ms2 daughterboard but with a faster processor, more inputs/outputs, sd card datalogging and an onboard usb adaptor.

So keep an eye out for a blacktop ecu fitted with MS3 goodness in the not to distant future.

http://www.ms3efi.com/

here is the trademe link too: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280274747&ed=true


if you guys want will talk to the guy tonight at the meet bout how he found it and see if i can get some contact details cause he knows the guy making them quite well.
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Z33kdud3
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this is some serious info, thanks again i will be studying on this definitely :cheers:
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20vLevin
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Hey mate, seriously interested in getting one! Let me know when you know more, Cheers
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Z33kdud3
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20vLevin
Jun 16 2010, 10:05 PM
Hey mate, seriously interested in getting one! Let me know when you know more, Cheers
sure thing mate, i'm interest as well.

ive always wanted an upgrade ecu but hated the fact if i have to purchase one, it always needs retuning and thats the part i hate. but correct me if i'm wrong touge_trueno, but this ecu is a once tuned right? after that it stays the way it is right???
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touge_trueno
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Z33kdud3
Jun 17 2010, 12:31 AM
20vLevin
Jun 16 2010, 10:05 PM
Hey mate, seriously interested in getting one! Let me know when you know more, Cheers
sure thing mate, i'm interest as well.

ive always wanted an upgrade ecu but hated the fact if i have to purchase one, it always needs retuning and thats the part i hate. but correct me if i'm wrong touge_trueno, but this ecu is a once tuned right? after that it stays the way it is right???
yup it stays tuned not like the Emanages. if you aren't making any changes to the setup of the car i don't see why it would need retuning.

just pm'd him this morning and this is what he said:
ChaosAD
 
I am still doing the microsquirt plugnplay ecu's.
Currently I am working on a board to replace the factory toyota ecu board.
The microsquirt module will plug into this new board and a loom plug will be soldered to it.
Provisions will be made for any extra circuits if desired, such as boost control, launch control etc.

This will be similar to the link plugnplay ecu's in that you just remove the factory ecu from the ecu case and replace it with the new board with the module fitted to it.

Here is a link to the LINK plugnplay ecu's to give you an idea of what it will look like.
It will be very similar, but much cheaper than the link ecu's and will cater for vehicles/engines not available in the link plugnplay lineup.
http://www.linkecu.com/products/engine-management-ecus/g4-plug-in-ecus


i will get a email addy for you guys to make direct contact with him.

EDIT: here are some contacts details. scott_baker12@hotmail.com

Cheers

Rhys
Edited by touge_trueno, Jun 17 2010, 05:05 AM.
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chaosad
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When I get a spare weekend I will get my ae111 bzg tuned on a steady state dyno and include the tune with the ecu's.

The levin is standard apart from an aftermarket panel air filter and before the tune will have the bend in the front pipe replaced and an hsv rear muffler fitted.
So the tune should be very close to other near stock blacktops out there, but I would still recommend running it up on a dyno to check the afr's etc and possibly some tweaks to the tune. Especially with fuels and temperature being different to here in NZ.

Its an aftermarket ecu, so once its tuned, its tuned. But any further mods to the engine would require checking the tune and possibly some more tweaking.
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its not a "chiped" ecu its a complete new setup, check that you have a local tune that can do microsquirt
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Chasonie
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Found this on club4age.net

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=94050&page=1

does anyone know more info about megasquirt?? they seem to be popular in the US.
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TRUENOSAM
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Seen one on a supercharged V8 jag and it made little if any difference to be honest
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mike ae111
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is it programable and how much is it?
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Z33kdud3
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i had found more info on it, just email them the specs on your engine and they will tune one for you for a reasonable price http://www.diyautotune.com/
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mike ae111
Jul 26 2011, 05:29 PM
is it programable and how much is it?
It's an ECU you assemble yourself and yip programable!

A guy in NZ was fitting an mega squirt data board to 20v ECU's so straight bolt in, no mucking around with wiring it up. Mate has one in his silvertop 20v powered FXGT. Pretty easy to tune, he tuned it himself using a wideband oxygen sensor etc. Made reasonable power for a 200k silvertop with just pod filter and exhaust (95ish KW @ wheels I think?)

Just bear in mind these are only as good as the person assembling it and tuning it ;)
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DreadAngel
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^

Can't stress this enough!!!

No good if you nor your tuner/friend doesn't has the equipment and knowledge to do it.

@Z33kdud3 - My friend got Nagata-sama [Top Secret] to due his car with lots of weather + environmental + other statistics etc to due it with greater accuracy. Personally I wouldn't do this and just get something supported by your local tuners. Only use as a last resort... If something goes wrong [We're talking about something that controls your car, tuning locally already is a minefield with problems and issues, let alone sent overseas to someone else], tough luck to you, can't expect them to go "Oh sorry, I'll replace the engine..."...
Edited by DreadAngel, Jul 27 2011, 04:55 AM.
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DreadAngel
Jul 27 2011, 04:50 AM
^

Can't stress this enough!!!

No good if you nor your tuner/friend doesn't has the equipment and knowledge to do it.
LOL seems to be the statement we keep saying!

(no disrespect to OP by the way)

Personally I'd rather have the ECU tuned to suit my car, not only weather but just due to so many variances around. Intake, headers, exhaust, condition of engine etc etc
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I dunno if I'm that nice... LOL

But seriously, people don't get in general that getting and mapping ECUs is deadly game with your car's wealthfare... You only seem to hear the positive and 'OMFG I GOT 350hp WHEN BEFORE I HAD ONLY 220hp'... And the instant you hear 'I only got 180hp when I saw XXX using XXX and got 200hp' that ECU is a load of bollocks...

#1 - Get a ECU your preferred Tuner is an expert in NOT just yeah I can tune it cause its like any other ECU... Load of ********, if you have a look at the programming logics, like hell the Apexi PFC is similar to HKS F-Con V-Pro (Not to mention need a HKS Pro Dealer with the Pro Software just like the Apexi needs a Apexi Power Dealer with the Power-Excel? software) etc...

#1A - Be wary what your 'mates' say and what the forums mention about tuners. Usually those that say the usual 'I only had/heard positive things about XXXX' are guys getting kick backs, mates rates etc... Talk to the tuner first, if he sounds like a clutz then your car my friend will be used as a guinea pig to build his experience... The really good tuners don't mind talking to you and breaking it down so those with a half switched on mind can understand and see the actual/proper logic of their tuning philosophy.

#1B - See what cars the workshop usually tunes, if the workshop is filled with Hi-Po Skyline GT-Rs, Rotaries, Silvias and the like, I usually won't have confidence the guy knows how to maximise the potential or know the key things about making the most out of your 4AG.

#1C - Unless your car is a track hack, a street car isn't pushed to the max nor needs to be, it actually requires a lot of smart and safe tuning. Genius tuner won't tune it to the max, a real genius tuner already knows to the '5%' of where the max is then wind it back some to keep the tune safe under most extraordinary circumstances should they show...

#2 - Check your choosen ECUs out properly, you want to maximise its total potential not it'll just do otherwise why even bother wasting 1k+ for parts and tuning cost! A lot of JDM ECUs and a few other ones have regular and 'Pro' software. The biggest difference usually is functionality and fine tuning. Regular software is a lite version that can do most things 'well' but usually the difference is that last 5% gents...

#3 - Don't bother with JDM Chip Tuned/Spec ROMs cause they're mapped for Japanese environment on Japanese fuel ie it'll detonate cause we don't use 100RON... Its 'cool' to have a Mines/Blitz/Tom's/etc ECU but most of these are spec tuned to customer's car...

#4 - Its not all about peak power, especially with our cars, its more the area under the curve, any idiot can 'tune' the car drag style, just make the car last 15secs on max power under WOT and you're fine. If it was all peak power, we'd all have Hondas now won't we?
Edited by DreadAngel, Jul 27 2011, 07:41 AM.
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Jul 27 2011, 07:27 AM
#1B - See what cars the workshop usually tunes, if the workshop is filled with Hi-Po Skyline GT-Rs, Rotaries, Silvias and the like, I usually won't have confidence the guy knows how to maximise the potential or know the key things about making the most out of your 4AG.

#1C - Unless your car is a track hack, a street car isn't pushed to the max nor needs to be, it actually requires a lot of smart and safe tuning. Genius tuner won't tune it to the max, a real genius tuner already knows to the '5%' of where the max is then wind it back some to keep the tune safe under most extraordinary circumstances should they show...
Quite a list there! But as usual good points Yoey.

#1B - Funny seeing big power GTR's etc steaming along at full noise puffing lots and lots of black smoke

#1C - People tend to look past this and only look at the peak power figure that can be achieved. I know of one local tuner who is the sort of person who will stop a dyno run and remove the persons car if it's running lean for fear of blowing it up. Even if all he is doing is a power run and not touched the car.
Same person did all the tuning on a friends very reliable Starlet making 150kw@wheels on stock 4EFTE internals. That car lasted a couple of years abuse getting thrashed around local circuit without fault.
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chaosad
Jun 17 2010, 12:33 PM
When I get a spare weekend I will get my ae111 bzg tuned on a steady state dyno and include the tune with the ecu's.

The levin is standard apart from an aftermarket panel air filter and before the tune will have the bend in the front pipe replaced and an hsv rear muffler fitted.
So the tune should be very close to other near stock blacktops out there, but I would still recommend running it up on a dyno to check the afr's etc and possibly some tweaks to the tune. Especially with fuels and temperature being different to here in NZ.

Its an aftermarket ecu, so once its tuned, its tuned. But any further mods to the engine would require checking the tune and possibly some more tweaking.
^^ chaosad is this still on?
might be interested :D
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bmchi
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anyone know how i can get in contact with this guy? :)
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Have sent him a PM on Toyspeed, haven't seen him post for a while so hopefully he still goes on there!
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Cheers for that much appreciated :)
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