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| Chronos_c4 | Apr 24 2016, 10:31 AM Post #1 |
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Hey guys names Lyle from Feilding, New Zealand had my white AE111 BZ-R for a couple years now, ![]() my other car is pretty much finished so turning my attention to this one. was hoping to get amongst the knowledge and bounce some ideas around but the forum seems to be a barron wasteland with most sub-forums not having replies for over a year? Im in love with the Levin as a whole but just after some advice on making it an N/A force to be reckoned with on the Manfeild Track days. if anyone is still floating around who can tell me where everyone is gone that would be great haha. Toyspeed forum is just as dead. |
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| Levin BZR | Apr 24 2016, 11:38 AM Post #2 |
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Hi mate and welcome! We are an international forum. We have members from the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, South America, Netherlands etc etc. Most of the car forums are 'dead' nowadays, because of the social media (facebook etc). You have a nice Levin there! It needs a front lip to make it even better! What's you budget? What's your aim? You are going to use it as a daily plus some trackdays? If that's the case, do not go bigger than 272 deg cams, and keep the VVT. If you want more power than around 155-160whp, you have to go bigger cams, remove VVT, use a standalone ECU with headers and exhaust catback. Check my car to get an idea of the first case (Daily+trackdays) |
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| ales_000 | Apr 24 2016, 09:37 PM Post #3 |
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Hey, welcome along. Like Levin BZR said, this forum (similar to Toyspeed) seems to be struggling for members and activity since everyone just spends time on Facebook these days. I'm guessing you know Mark's car (1I1) since you live near him. His engine seems to be a pretty good build for a daily + trackday engine. The blacktop doesn't have heaps of scope for cheap, easy improvements, but there seems to be room to get more out of them with decent cams and an ECU. Welcome along in any case and hopefully there's enough info here to keep it worth visiting! |
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| Chronos_c4 | Apr 25 2016, 07:18 AM Post #4 |
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Hey hey, yea i understand the Facebook epidemic! i run the national Mitsubishi GTO club and our forum has suffered from facebook as well. haha funny you mention the front lip, ive got one sitting in the garage along with some TOMS side skirts and end capsall in due time ![]() Budget: None (as in, nothing unreasonable but ive got a lot of flexibility) Aim: Definitely a Daily+Track. and yea 272 cams were what i heard about - definitely want to keep VVTi - something about them being the most you can go on the stock ECU? I was going to do anything i could at the same time, such as exhaust. But this non-turbo factor has me stumped for the correct sequence. Turbo cars are easy lol just need more money, and generally cams would be one of the last things you would do to get power out of a turbo engine As it turns out i have a spare Blacktop engine out of its car and sitting in my garage that i can do all the headwork etc without having to stop using the car. Although ill be learning as i go because ive never been inside of an engine before, ive done heaps of work to the outside of the engine and car but ill be having to buy some tools and read up on procedures for this one.The actual mission for the car is a track/daily, with a killer engine bay for the shows, so it can sit next to my "show"-GTO and try and challenge it for looks doing "cams" sounds nice on the ear, but surely there would be other things i would need to do at the same time? springs/vavles etc? Ill also be wanting to replace all the super strut bushes and linkage joints etc etc. so once the engine is ready to go thats when the car parks up, old engine out, super-strut off, engine bay painted, superstrut rebuild, install, then engine in. dont really know anyone else locally, there are tonnes of levins here in NZ but ive only seen a couple BZ-Rs over the last couple years. might have to track this person down, and have a good read over this forum for some inspiration ![]() |
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| AE111_JAMES | Apr 25 2016, 08:54 AM Post #5 |
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Welcome to the forum, mark (1i1) is also from fielding actually. I'm from Napier. If your wanting some solid figures from an n/a 20v get rid of the restrictive standard ecu, go get yourself some nice spec'd kelfords, new uprated valve springs and give the rest of the engine a freshen up. Recommend a valve re-grind too, another forum user here got around 134-142kw n/a with just a link ecu, big cams, oversized valves, bigger springs and stock bottom end. As for rods, get rid of the weak blacktop rods and throw in some silvertop rods, while your at it balance the bottom end so grab yourself some electronic kitchen scales and measure the rods with its bolts and keep taking of minimal amounts of each rod till theyre all even. Were talking like a wee nick off the side of the rod, not full on grind the crap out of it haha Do the same for the pistons with their snap rings and pins |
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| ales_000 | Apr 26 2016, 12:18 AM Post #6 |
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Yeah, what James said. ![]() Mark is the Toyota parts guy on the Toyspeed forums which is why I just assumed that you'd know him. He doesn't have a Levin or Trueno, but rather a GT sedan. His car seems to be running really nicely for a daily/track spec which from memory has Kelford 194-B "Rally" cams fitted (and other work like valves, springs, exhaust, intake etc.) Superstrut is expensive to replace, so bear that in mind when you get to that point. The figure 8's and link arms total about $1000 for the two sides. That's assuming that your banana arms are ok, but they normally are. Agreed that you see a lot of Levins and Truenos around, but not that many nice ones. I see a few BZ-Rs around my way up in Auckland, but still way more of the FZs and XZs. Have a read on the forum of a few of the build-up logs, I suggest that you have a read of Mark's as his sounds similar to your plans. There are also a few guys elsewhere in the world that have done similar things. Levin BZR uses his car for track days and from memory has Tomei poncams fitted on the stock ECU. There are a few of us that are still on here a bit, so I reckon it's still worth a message if you have anything you want to say/ask. To me, it's important to keep the conversation going or else when people turn up, they find the Marie Celeste and tend to go away. There's loads of good info on here, and given the AE111 is a relatively rare chassis in english-speaking places, it can be hard to find good info on. PS - love the SSR Type C's on your car. |
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| Chronos_c4 | Apr 26 2016, 05:52 AM Post #7 |
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oh dont you worry i wont be going away anytime soon haha ill be counting on the opinions and expertise of you guys to get me through this, and remind me of things i might have missed. i just gotta get around to starting a Rides Thread or something to track the changes and make a proper list of things that need to get done. then i can research how much its all going to cost and project how long its going to take me lol/ Superstrut costs dont scare me that much, it needs to be done, one of the bushes has been making a knocking noise since ive owned it, someone else i know apparently replaced all the bushings etc for just over 1000 with some creative accounting. ill look into that more when the time gets closer, i had a quick go at separating the strut towers with basic tools and gave up pretty fast, have had some bad lucky with ball joints in the past so didnt wanna make a mess. gonna get me a compressor/rattlegun too will have to track down this Mark fella tho! I didnt know much about levins before i bought mine, going straight to the BZ-R was definitely a good move. i know i said my other car was pretty much finished but i cant neglect it :( it still needs to go for a basic tune and air/fuel ratio to be sorted before i can leave it alone. before i can worry about pistons/rings i gotta get this spare engine dismantled first, i need to get my face all up inside the ITBs and see how it all works - and what i can do without (such as powersteering assist - as i have access to an electronic powersteering unit out of a MR2) first i need my garage space back haha, and the compressor Donor car: ![]() ![]() ![]() and cheers about the SSRs theyre genuine ones too so im pretty happy, they weigh 5KG each without tyres which is damn light. the previous OZ RACING ones i had on there were supposed to be lightweight as well but they were just under 10kg each (i still have them too if anyone wants them lol)will suss out this rides thread and share some more pics |
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| 1i1 | Apr 26 2016, 06:27 AM Post #8 |
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For Rhys' dads car theres a little more to it than just big cams to get 130+ kw - but that's a whole other discussion haha. TBH I'd leave the motor stock to begin with and focus on just getting on Manfeild. My advice would be to start with good pads like ENDLESS (available from Prosport) and TRD Sport fluid (it's Motul RBF600 with a TRD label at a much cheaper price). An oil cooler setup and quality engine and gearbox oil. For your suspension make sure it's in good nic. Bazda @ MRP does superstrut coilovers if you want to go down that road. It makes it easier to play around with spring rates which makes it nicer for tweaking your handling. Oh and if you go 270 cams don't bother trying to run the stock ECU - AFR's will be wrong. Have you considered doing a 2ZZGE swap? Those motors are cheap now, you should be able to get a motor and 6speed box (stronger than a BZR box) for $1,500 ish. Edited by 1i1, Apr 26 2016, 06:32 AM.
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| Chronos_c4 | Apr 26 2016, 07:28 AM Post #9 |
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Oh I've done a few track days with the car at Manfeild and down at Ruapuna and I absolutely love it. Only the play days tho, nothing too serious. Been racing my GTO as well over the past few years and I can honestly say I enjoy it more in the Levin, its just so much lighter! I had the brakes rebuilt and fresh pads for the most recent track day, but I found it wasn't my braking that was letting me down, it was only the end of the day where they started to fade. It was just the get-up-and-go that I needed more of down at Ruapuna. but I'm keeping my expectations realistic, I'm not trying to build a track monster or anything - just your faster-than-average NA I know my springs and shocks have been done but I have yet to take much note of whats actually been put in. I love how it handles though. TRD strut brace seems to be doing its job (its not a triangle one though), and the 205 tires did pretty well, could always up it to slicks eventually. Cars already got oil and power steering coolers poking behind the bumper so I have to re-mount them as the previous owner did a gash job about it. Needless to say I'm not going to be one of those teenagers who think a pod filter is going to give them 40hp+, I'm 28 lol and have access to some usefully machinery. My 5m x 9m garage helps too. Definitely not going to rush into anything without doing some research. Have been offered access to a Link if I have to, but will have to wait and see. Auto electrics are a new area for me.... I really just need some advice about those kind of things without anyone trying to make money off me Hadnt considered 2zz purely because the stigma Ive heard that the internal bits are quite expensive? The idea of a fast 4AGE is more or less the peak of my dream - as I've said, the GTO is meant to be my fast car haha Edited by Chronos_c4, Apr 26 2016, 07:29 AM.
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| Chronos_c4 | Apr 28 2016, 09:34 AM Post #10 |
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along with some TOMS side skirts and end caps
that i can do all the headwork etc without having to stop using the car. Although ill be learning as i go because ive never been inside of an engine before, ive done heaps of work to the outside of the engine and car but ill be having to buy some tools and read up on procedures for this one.



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