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A TL-191 Thread
Topic Started: Jun 17 2008, 03:27 PM (1,971 Views)
Custer
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Maybe one mop-up thread [on TL-191] for old time's sake?

I'd do it myself but you know I can't think of a single outstanding question.

I'll furnish the first question: what would you classify the Snake's death as? Assassination? Casualty of war?
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LoneHawkBoy
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Casualty of war, he was shot by an enemy soldier while behind enemy lines.
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Derfasciti
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Eh, i'm leaning towards assassination, personally. Technically, wasn't he a civilian?
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Custer
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Derfasciti
Jun 17 2008, 07:17 PM
Eh, i'm leaning towards assassination, personally. Technically, wasn't he a civilian?

Do you mean that civilians can't be casualties of war, and military men can't be assassinated? :huh:
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MapleLeafs4Ever
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Derfasciti
Jun 17 2008, 06:17 PM
Eh, i'm leaning towards assassination, personally. Technically, wasn't he a civilian?

Technically, he would be Commander in Chief. Call it "Leadership Decapitation" and it becomes casualty of war.
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Mr Nelg
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Well, I suppose in order to come up with a solid answer, we've have to look at the closest analogue we have, IE, the death of Mussolini, which is almost identical, except that Mussolini was captured first, taken somewhere, THEN killed. Jake was shot as he walked along, most likely never knowing what hit him.

The reason I'm bringing that up is that Jake was killed by partisans, not proper soldiers. So I believe that Jake's death can be attributed to a "Casualty of War." Or what ever you would count civilian deaths to partisan activity. Remember, Partisans always come about during acts of war.
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I guess I`ve got a 191 question, but it`s not IatD vintage. What happened to the Great Depression? First we see the command-control approach doing nothing to alleviate it, then we see the free market approach proving equally ineffective, and then suddenly it`s gone! Not `Let`s get used to the ideas that characters are just muddling through ‚r‚‚‚…‚ˆ‚‚—,` vanished! Good times don`t return, but the bad ones seem don`t return, but the bad ones seem to be pretty much on the run.
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Makkabee
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Even the most hard-core New Dealer will admit that depressions will eventually go away on their own like the lasseiz faire crowd says. It's the contention of left-wingers like me that the government can alleviate the hardship caused in the meantime and make the economy recover sooner through intelligent intervention.

Anyway, the New Deal didn't happen in TL-191, not in any meaningful way. The Democrats in the senate blocked any meaningful programs and then regained control of congress in the off-year elections, which meant that they could block even the band-aid legislation that Blackford had managed to push through back in 1929/30. At least that's how I remember it.
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SladeJack
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Yes, but without intervention you would think it would be worse and thus would leave more of a mark on the population. Granted they had a war to fight, one even worse than the real WWII, but they don`t even reflect on `Thank God the Depression is over` or `Better save the chittlings in the gravy bowl, we might need them some day` like real Depression survivors did even decades after it ended.

Now since all our POV characters spent the rest of the series fighting a total war, I suppose for them that`s rather more dramatic a crisis so it commanded their attention. Yet another disadvantage of the absence of home-fronters. Most people I`ve known who were civilians at the time say that living through the Depression and war at home were about equally upsetting crises, six of one half a dozen of the other.

Speaking of Depressions I read that the fact that prices are climbing these days means maybe we won`t have one after all because prices have to drop when no one has any income or savings or else no one will ever be able to sell anything at all. Sound true?

By the way I apologize for the erratic typing in the above message and in many another we`ll see this weekend. I`m writing this in a Tokyo hotel and the Japanese keyboard is set up very unlike what I`m used to. It`s not just hitting the wrong buttons, which I can correct, it`s all manner of strange functions brought on by keystroke combinations I seem to keep hitting by accident.
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Makkabee
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Some sectors, like housing, are seeing price drops. Others that are more dependent on oil (gasoline, transported goods like food) are on the rise. Unemployment is also climbing.

We could be looking at a return of the second-most disturbing phenomenon of the 1970s, stagflation.
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SladeJack
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Yes, I`m afraid that`s what we`ll get. But I had been afraid we`d get both that and a Depression at the same time. I was reading today you can have only one or the other. If I have to choose, I say better the 70s than the 30s.
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eamonhart
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Working in sales and selling a petro dependent product I'm seeing prices rise and rise but many of my customers feel that things really aren't that bad yet. People are still buying - thank God. The economy has certainly slowed but a depression like the 1930s is still a hell of a far way off.
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I`m less relieved to hear that it`s far off than I would be if you added `And we`re not moving toward it anyway.` Just because things are far away doesn`t mean you don`t get there eventually.

What are you selling again, books? I ask because I never thought of those as tied into oil. If the recession means they get priced out of affordability I`ll cry and cry. Book shoppibg is one of my all-time favorite things to do.

Free shipping on orders over $25 from bn.com and Amazon is a real lifesaver, I hope they don`t shut that down.

Back to 191, I met a fellow American who like me has been far from home@for a long time@at the hotel bar last night and our conversation turned to the foods last night and our conversation turned to the foods we MISSED. He described the breakfasts he will make when his travels are done and said `maybe fry some potatoes.`
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SladeJack
Jun 19 2008, 09:18 AM
Speaking of Depressions I read that the fact that prices are climbing these days means maybe we won`t have one after all because prices have to drop when no one has any income or savings or else no one will ever be able to sell anything at all.  Sound true?

I think there is some truth to that. I heard a story last week explaining that while prices keep ratcheting up, the one thing keep them down is that fact that many industries know that too much of an increase will shoot themselves in the foot.
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eamonhart
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I work for a company that manufactures packaging supplies - bubble wrap, mailers, pe foam, foam in place, etc. Most are resin and plastic based so heavily tied to the petroleum business.

I left publishing because the money is lousy and I actually get to sell everyday now. Much happier than before with my professional life.
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