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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2008, 03:27 PM (1,970 Views) | |
| Custer | Jul 10 2008, 02:59 PM Post #76 |
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Based on the facts that it's holding down much of East and Southeast Asia, that it currently has no allies and created many new enemies by stabbing former allies in the back, that there is constant rebellion in the territories now held, etc. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 10 2008, 03:25 PM Post #77 |
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I'd bet dollars to donuts that at least the Chinese and the Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, Khmers and Filipinos are in rebellion. The rest? Maybe, maybe not. The only fallen British colony I know well in this era OTL is Singapore, and they didn't have a home-grown resistance, just MI5 agents left behind who felt out the odd civilian who'd been victimized by a Japanese atrocity and seemed plucky enough to want to retaliate. In this timeline, Singaporeans, Malaysians, Hong Kongers and if the Japanese make it that far Indians will have even less reason to love the British than they did OTL, and even if they do resist they're pretty much on their own. No OSS and/or MI5 assistance this time. Maybe the Chinese and Indians, with their inexhaustible populations, can work something if they all unite behind the common goal and are willing to wade through oceans of their own peoples' blood until victory is theirs, but such commitment is very rare, especially from such fractious cultures. The Vietnamese, even with a much more modest population, have every other advantage in that kind of fight; they'd been doing it for centuries, and had on multiple occasions decisively defeated the Chinese when that empire was the world's most powerful. On the other hand, Korea's government-in-exile had been taking part in organized resistance efforts against the Japanese for well over twenty years when OTL WWII broke out, all to almost no avail. They managed to force a few concessions regarding protections for the rights of Korean individuals from the colonial officials, but nothing regarding their status as a conquered province. They'll have a hard time finding new allies thanks to their betrayal of the UK, but that's not so important because they seem to have an even harder time finding enemies--Try as they might, they just can't get the US to commit to winning a decisive victory over them, and no one else in the world is in position even to make the attempt. Maybe the British could launch coordinated simultaneous assaults from India, Africa, and Australia, but it's unlikely the CP would allow them to behave so aggressively. Barring external pressures, they'll be able to hold all their colonies except perhaps Indochina if they don't mind paying for them in blood, and they won't. They wouldn't be playing the imperial game if they did. |
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| Mr Nelg | Jul 10 2008, 06:11 PM Post #78 |
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"Explaine?" It was a quarter past midnight when I wrote that, I was lucky to make the whole sentence legible. Rassa-frassa SladeJack <_<
Hmmm, I did not know that. Where were they (Korean Government-in-Exile)based, Jack? Better yet, where can I find information on that? PS, don't forget the letter 'E' |
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| Custer | Jul 10 2008, 06:32 PM Post #79 |
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I think the Korean government-in-exile was based in Honolulu. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 10 2008, 08:49 PM Post #80 |
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No, thats where Ee Seung-Man fled after being overthrown. Somewhere in eastern China--I want to say Shanghai. As for where you can learn about that, there's plenty available on the subject. Look up March 1 Independence Movement. |
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| Makkabee | Jul 11 2008, 07:38 AM Post #81 |
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There was nothing in the books to indicate the British were any harsher in their colonies than OTL -- other than in Canada and Ireland we never got to see how British colonial policy played out at all, though we did hear one or two things about Hawaii. Even if the British were harsh OTL they'll look a lot better once people compare them to the Japanese. Hell, magically swap Ireland and Taiwan geographically and let the Japanese occupy the Emerald Isle for a few years and even de Valera will be in the streets waving a Union Jack when Royal Marines force the Japanse out of Dublin. Granted, he'd be back working for Irish independence a week after Japan's surrendered. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 11 2008, 11:10 AM Post #82 |
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I assumed that having gone fascist and all, living in their empire at that point really sucked. |
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| Makkabee | Jul 11 2008, 06:03 PM Post #83 |
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They didn't quite go Fascist, though they came pretty close by forming a Tory-Fascist coalition. Churchill never got the dictatorial powers that Featherston had, a no-confidence vote in parliament sent him packing. Turtledove never told us anything about British colonial administration after the Churchill-Mosely government took over, though I am under the impression that the British didn't slaughter their black subjects in the Caribbean since that was a North American matter and I expect would be mentioned otherwise. I actually sort of picture British colonial governors in the Caribbean islands and Belize being like the Finns and Hungarians before 1944 and telling Featherston's representatives "look, we're allies and all but on this particular issue you go can fuck yourself." In polite diplomatic language, of course. |
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| PittsburghDude | Jul 16 2008, 09:16 PM Post #84 |
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As long as that Featherston bastard is dead.... |
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| Makkabee | Jul 17 2008, 09:24 AM Post #85 |
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Oh no, he's living in exile on the coast of Rhodesia. :rolleyes: Evidenceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! |
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