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| SladeJack | Jul 2 2008, 10:02 PM Post #1 |
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Amazon has added cover art. No description as of yet. The cover is the same as OA's except in blue instead of yellowish and with a rather more ornate border around the title. |
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| Custer | Jul 3 2008, 10:56 PM Post #2 |
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Looks neat.
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| SladeJack | Jul 4 2008, 12:18 AM Post #3 |
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Oh, flames. I didn't see it full size so I couldn't tell what the border was. It's a very handsome cover, from an author who doesn't usually produce nice ones. I see the subtitle is "A Novel of Alternate History." Will it be one novel, not a collection of novellas, then? |
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| Custer | Jul 4 2008, 12:23 AM Post #4 |
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Opening Atlantis has that line, too. |
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| TR1 | Jul 4 2008, 01:16 AM Post #5 |
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It does appear as if the cover artist at least had an idea of the contents--there are little flags and place names depicted. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 4 2008, 02:20 AM Post #6 |
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"Opening Atlantis has that line, too." Huh, I'd quite forgotten. I really am looking forward to resuming this series. Thinking about it is letting me remember how much I enjoyed reading the last one. "It does appear as if the cover artist at least had an idea of the contents--there are little flags and place names depicted." Southwestern seperatists who are lamely flying the same flag as the US does (TWEEDOM!) against northeastern loyalists, from the looks of it. I'm assuming the Brits chased the Spaniards out of their little holes and unified the semi-continent: I really hope HT doesn't waste a whole novella on such a one-sided battle, unless he's got some interesting twist going along with it, perhaps involving slave-guerrillas. Maybe the Brits will tell the slaves they can be free if they fight against the Spaniards, then after the Spaniards get out they say "Fooled you! Back to the fields!" and have to wage a guerrilla war. A situation somewhat like that which greeted the US annexation of the Philipines. Then again if that were the case the seperatists would be clustered in the northeast and the loyalists in the southwest because the southwest would remember that the British Army had gone to enormous expense mainly for their economic benefit. Unless things are spaced very far apart. By the way, it appears the narrow sea between Atlantis and Terranova has gotten wider and Terranova has been pushed off well to the west. |
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| TR1 | Jul 4 2008, 07:02 AM Post #7 |
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Thanks for pointing that out. I rescind my statement--the publishers must be dictating the art. We know from the short stories that Atlantis does not fly a flag that resembles the Stars and Stripes. It flies a flag that has the red-crested eagle on it. Moreover, HT has set up everything such that separation will come from the north--English settlement concentrated in that area, and we know for a fact that English Atlanteans will fight if they feel the crown is trying to rule them. So Union Jacks up north make pretty much zero sense.
That would not be inconsistent with the British approach. Another possibility; at the end of OA, the slave uprising is still going, and the Spanish seem ill-equipped to put it down. Perhaps as an independence movement starts gaining momentum in the English territory, they bribe the Spanish aboard by promising to put down the insurrection if they cut ties with the motherland. More mundanely, the acquisition of Spanish Atlantis might just be a Louisiana Purchase analog, a Conquest of Florida analog (fittingly) or a Mexican War analog. Incidentally, I really don't look for the Atlantean WFI to that much like our WFI--comments from both the stories and OA from various outsiders suggests that England saw Atlantis as more trouble than it was worth by the end of the 18th century, and were pretty content to let it go. Yes, given its location, having some naval bases there are a pretty good idea, but it's pretty resource poor, and at least one character described it as an obstacle to Terranova. Plus, most outsiders seem to think Atlanteans are just a bit nuts. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 4 2008, 01:40 PM Post #8 |
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"Thanks for pointing that out. I rescind my statement--the publishers must be dictating the art. We know from the short stories that Atlantis does not fly a flag that resembles the Stars and Stripes. It flies a flag that has the red-crested eagle on it." If you say so. Unless HT is going to be inconsistent again. "Moreover, HT has set up everything such that separation will come from the north--English settlement concentrated in that area, and we know for a fact that English Atlanteans will fight if they feel the crown is trying to rule them. So Union Jacks up north make pretty much zero sense." We've seen no Spanish/Basque characters so it's entirely possible they're even more anti-monarchist than the Brits. Or the Brits could be evenly distributed across the land by then. Maybe London tries to abolish slavery and the southerners fight--WFI+ACW rolled into one, with a twist of eventually getting the northern colonists to change sides. Ooh, that would be fun. "Plus, most outsiders seem to think Atlanteans are just a bit nuts." I've noticed that. Though thus far the Atlanteans seem to prove consistently right: the settlers did indeed refuse to accept Warwick's lordship, even if it wasn't so bad by contemporary European standards; Radcliff's strategy for beating the pirates worked better than the London merchant's (though why the hell couldn't they use a real admiral?); and both Radcliff's and Kersauzon's tactical judgments were better suited to conditions than Braddock's and Montcalm-Gazon's, a fact validated when Cornwallis eventually came around. |
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| TR1 | Jul 4 2008, 03:51 PM Post #9 |
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I don't think that even HT could be that screwed up.
The stories also make it clear that revolution came from Hanover, not Gernika.
It's also true in the stories, which are told from the perspective of outsiders. Audubon is just astonished that even though he's getting of in Avalon, he has to go through customs hell at the first Atlantis port, otherwise they won't let him in. Generally, Atlanteans also prove to be rather standoffish and suspicious of strangers. (I think HT has eschewed mere 19th century American isolationism for a pumped up New Zealand variety.) |
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| SladeJack | Jul 4 2008, 06:54 PM Post #10 |
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When did HT write these shorts? It's not impossible that HT has forgotten the details thereof, as he did in the decade between his having Atvar tell us that Halless 1 was under a united government when the Lizards got there and his having Wakonafula say the world was regularly racked by wars among rival emperors. I kind of hope he does forget the shorts in this case. The scenario I've just described is really interesting to me. British colonists in the northern mercantile cities leading a charge and having to try very hard to radicalize southern planters is more parallelism. So you'd have HT's proclivity toward inconsistency possibly putting him in conflict with his proclivity toward parallelism. Place your bets, folks! |
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| TR1 | Jul 4 2008, 09:54 PM Post #11 |
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The stories came in 2006. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 4 2008, 10:25 PM Post #12 |
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He could still forget them. I can think of other inconsistencies that are spaced two years apart. |
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| TR1 | Jul 4 2008, 11:40 PM Post #13 |
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The way HT is talking, he'd actually laid the foundation work for OA before he wrote the stories. I'm not ruling out inconsistencies, but I don't think the revolution will come from Spanish territory. |
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| SladeJack | Jul 5 2008, 12:25 AM Post #14 |
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Maybe not, but I do think it's the best way to get a non-parallel revolution. That's all I's a-sayin'. |
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| Makkabee | Jul 5 2008, 11:07 AM Post #15 |
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The flags could indicate the military situation at some point in the war -- that the British have occupied northeastern cities and the revolutionaries are still in control in the southwest. Remember that cover art designers almost never know the story in any detail or confer directly with the author on their designs, at least when the book is from a major publishing house. "Don't judge a book by its cover" is particularly good advice when reading SF. |
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