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| A World War Question about Oz | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 6 2008, 12:26 AM (296 Views) | |
| Mr Nelg | Aug 6 2008, 12:26 AM Post #1 |
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I was just over at the Paradox INteractive Forums, and I was looking up a World War Mod for HOI2-A. There was reading up on all the chatter about it, when I came across something that caught my eye. In it, is an event for the Race invading Australia in 1944, after they bomb Sydney and Melbourne. I thought the race invaded Australia in 1942? But after reading this, it started to make sense. No where in any of the books dose it mention Australia. Not even during the conquest fleets meetings when they're discussing area's of the planet they've conquared. Plus Atvar always refers to partisan activity in area's they've conquared as rebellious, while refering to the Austarlian attacks as raids. If that was the case, then what were those raids Atvar was talking about? Any ideas on the whole thing? I'm not going to get mad or anything, or do a Bruce. .... Except maybe at SladeJack, because I'm always picking on him.
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| alchemist | Aug 6 2008, 09:52 AM Post #2 |
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Australia isn't mentioned at all until Striking the Balance,where he drops the bobms on it, and its just implied that the Race now controls it as they took everything from Britain save Northern Ireland. Atvar probably figures that it has to be raids since the Race bascailly wiped most of Australia's population. The only problem with that is that no one could spare the resources for a raid on Australia. |
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| eamonhart | Aug 6 2008, 04:34 PM Post #3 |
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I always thought that the outback was claimed by the Race but not completely pacified and the raids where groups of Australians pulling a 'wolverine' on supply columns and other poorly defended targets |
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| SladeJack | Aug 6 2008, 09:38 PM Post #4 |
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The Race controls Australia, seems to have made some effort to relocate the local humans, and is the most desirable of the available Tosevite provinces because of its low human population, climate similarity to Home, and an ecosystem which resembles other Earth ones only slightly more than it resembles Home's. The raid might be the Soviet missile full of ginger. |
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| LoneHawkBoy | Aug 6 2008, 10:38 PM Post #5 |
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Since you mentioned a Soviet missile filled with ginger I have to ask, can a lizard OD on ginger? |
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| Mr Nelg | Aug 6 2008, 11:29 PM Post #6 |
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Ummm... the question I was asking is... "Was Australia invaded in 1942 or in 1944 AFTER the race bombed Sydney and Melbourne?" The other things I really don't care about. To this day I really don't get what Bruce was on about. From what people say, Australia got it fairly good when it came to permanent occupation compared to other countries in HT's other stories. |
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| TR1 | Aug 6 2008, 11:55 PM Post #7 |
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My recollection is that the Race invaded in 1942, and faced enough problems from the Australian military via hit and runs that they bombed to settle everyone down. |
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| LoneHawkBoy | Aug 7 2008, 12:27 AM Post #8 |
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That seems about right, I do remember the point as to get the humans to back off. |
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| Mr Nelg | Aug 7 2008, 01:17 AM Post #9 |
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Actually, the point was to prove that they could be as unpredictable as humans where.
That's why I asked this question in the first place. That's what I first thought but the comment made about the invasion not happening until AFTER they bombed Sydney and Melbourne makes more sense than the Race invading in 1942. That's the reason I brought up the fact that no where dose it mention Race holdings in Australia. Even when Atvar is going over what they've conquered in 1942 AND 1943, he mentions ever continent but Australia. Why? You think he would. You'd also think he'd mention that they haven't been able to fully conquare/subdue the place when he was talking about bombing those cities. Reading back on the scene where he bombs Sydney and Melbourne he doesn’t state that they actually are holding any parts of Australia. He just mentions how suitable it is, and how the humans there can't be stopped from raiding his forces. He doesn’t state if it's his forces in Australia or anywhere else. That's why I started this topic. It's bloody confusing. It only gose to prove my theory that HT dosen't hate Australia, but mearly when he was writing the saga, he didn't know what to do with Australia until the very end. I base that on his own words. During a radio interview (The one that can be downloaded) he confesses he thought the whole saga would blow up in his face when asked if he always knew how it would end. The whole Australian scene in my opinion in WW:STB seems tacked on. |
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| SladeJack | Aug 7 2008, 08:17 AM Post #10 |
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I don't know whether a Lizard can OD on ginger, but I don't believe any of them ever did. Since it's not my universe all I can do is recount what I saw while visiting it and maybe offer some interpolation. For instance I interpolated that Australians' experiences with the Race were among the worst of all humans'. They destroyed the major population centers, and even put the Aussies into something of a diaspora because they wanted the island for themselves. |
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