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TL-191 places
Topic Started: Aug 6 2008, 09:51 PM (1,166 Views)
PittsburghDude
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Michelle and I drove down to Savannah, Georgia this week and passed through Hardeeville, South Carolina. I remembered the massacre there in IATD. Then I remembered that Charleston was nuked in IATD in retaliation for starting the whole TL-191 series of events. Since two Citadel cadets opened fire first on Fort Sumpter, I wonder if they dropped the bomb on top of the school.
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Savannah's a beautiful city, isn't it? A friend of mine lived there for a while, I went down to visit him a few times. Pretty weird, having t-shirt weather in early February.

As for the target for the bomb on Charleston, I don't think they could aim anywhere near that accurately. My bet is they just tried to get as close to the middle of town as they could. Either that or close to the harbor to be sure to take out as many ships as they could along with the heart of the city.
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Which is more charming, Savannah or Charleston? I'm getting the itch to head south one of these days, maybe in bleakest wintertime.
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I loved Savannah. I was only in Charleston for one day so I didn't really get a proper feel for that city.

From a Civil War buff's perspective, Charleston has more history but Savannah's is better preserved. Fort Pulaski still looks the way it did in the mid-19th century but Sumter is almost unrecognizable.
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Both are charming and fun times. Savannah has a great St Patty's Day parade!
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Jurgan
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Bah, Savannah's just a cheap Charleston wannabe. And, as pointed out, it's a lot more historical. In addition to Sumter, there's also Fort Moultrie, which I believe is more of a Revolutionary War artifact (haven't been in a while), and Patriot's Point, which has full-size recreations of the Yorktown and other WWII era ships. Why, yes, I am biased. And maybe we could arrange a GotB meeting if you came through. I've met one friend from another board twice, and it's usually a good time.

As for targeting nukes, the harbor would definitely have been the most valuable target, except that it was so late in the war that I'm not sure how much of a navy the CSA had left. But it's not far from the center of town. You'd want to aim somewhere on the lower peninsula. The harbor's at the southern tip, where the Ashley and Cooper Rivers meet. My dream target would probably be the corner of Meeting and Broad, which is the political center of the city as well as being within a mile of the harbor, most of the industry, and major population centers (at the time- these days, more people live in the suburbs across one of the rivers, or up the peninsula in North Charleston). The Citadel is something like five miles up the peninsula, pretty far from anything of value. Not much of a target.

It's actually a pretty nice school- I worked there for a few weeks this summer, teaching some of my high school students about building robots. Still, seeing the plaque that proudly proclaims how Citadel students "began the defense of the South" makes me wish it would get attacked.
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My dad just told me he's been invited to speak at some sort of Rev War symposium in Charleston over Columbus Day Weekend. I might join him but I was thinking I would go down the shore that weekend--the weather will still be good for it, and I do enjoy the quiet of a tourist hot spot shortly before or after the tourist season. Plus it will be cheap--the round trip probably won't be a full tank--and also close enough to juggle the schedule a bit--leave earlier or later, that sort of thing.
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Aug 7 2008, 07:51 PM
As for targeting nukes, the harbor would definitely have been the most valuable target, except that it was so late in the war that I'm not sure how much of a navy the CSA had left.

I was under the impression Featherston didn't do much to rebuild the CS Navy to begin with.
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Revolutionary War symposium? Tres cool.

We don't know how much Featherston put into his navy. I'd guess he focused on subs and small ships. Charleston would be one of the main bases for them, though. Safer than Hampton Roads, which is in such easy bombing range for US forces.
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Seems like for the most part he just depended on the royal navy

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We know he built as many light battlecruisers or whatever they were called as he was allowed to by treaty.
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Didn't the CSN also have a bunch of coast defense battleships, or are those the aforementioned battlecruisers?

Something that had occurred to me while posting: is it odd that the USA invaded Haiti during the final weeks of the war in 1944, but never bothered to take back the Bahamas, which are more strategically important to the USA?
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Aug 8 2008, 01:56 PM
Something that had occurred to me while posting: is it odd that the USA invaded Haiti during the final weeks of the war in 1944, but never bothered to take back the Bahamas, which are more strategically important to the USA?

Might have been an HT oversight, that or the Bahamas were effectively isolated enough to render any invasion a moot point. That and I know there was mentioned that the black population of the Bahamas were in bloody revolt since day one so that might have nullified any advantage the islands offered.
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I don't even recall Haiti being invaded by the CSA. It was kind of confusing for me to read about reconquering Haiti when I had no recollection of the CSA invading it to begin with.
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We don't know how much Featherston put into his navy. I'd guess he focused on subs and small ships. Charleston would be one of the main bases for them, though. Safer than Hampton Roads, which is in such easy bombing range for US forces.


As far as heavy ships in the CS Navy go, the only deffient answer we ever get is in "American Empire: The Center Cannot Hold" where Sam Carsen is sailing down the coast of the CSA, and they encounter a costal defence battleship. He metions that the CSA has 3 of these, because they were the most powerful ships the CSA was allowed to have.

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I don't even recall Haiti being invaded by the CSA. It was kind of confusing for me to read about reconquering Haiti when I had no recollection of the CSA invading it to begin with.


There's a lot of things that just SUDDENLY popped up in "In At The Death," that irked me. The invasion of Haiti was one. The savage backwards and forwards fighting that ragged THROUGH OUT GW2 in Sequoyah. The sudden airsupeirority the Germans gained over the French and English. I can still remember reading the opening chapter in IATD and reading that part of Paris being bombed just as heavily as Richmond and thinking to myself. "When did I miss this?"
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