| What Does Silence Mean?; Request for Input/Reactioins | |
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| MarilynH | Sep 13 2015, 03:01 PM Post #11 |
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Hey, don't apologize! It's a very busy time of year ... and fandom stuff is supposed to be fun, not another stress to cope with. ::hugs:: |
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| blameitonmymind | Sep 14 2015, 11:12 AM Post #12 |
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Does incredibly shy count as a reason? I think everything is really interesting so far, and I'm here more to contribute to art when it's needed and maybe to beta read, or help with anything in general. But as for the story and plot line you are all developing, I don't have any ideas as of right now, but when I do I will be sure to post them! Just like I said, I'm shy! |
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| MarilynH | Sep 14 2015, 05:58 PM Post #13 |
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Hey, thanks for checking in ... and great to know you're ready and willing to lend your artistic and beta support once we get rolling! Very much appreciate your support!!!!! |
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| Judas | Sep 28 2015, 03:45 AM Post #14 |
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I feel like trash, I had some issues with my laptop, then work has been killing me, I have read the notes, but it has been through my phone, which is kinda annoying, I've been trying to post in the forum, but I feel like I'm way behind. Even my tumblr has been kinda inactive. I'm waiting for November to start so I can have more time. I'm not a writer but I still want to be part of this. I'm really sorry for my silence. I hope you guys are doing ok. Edited by Judas, Sep 28 2015, 03:45 AM.
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| MarilynH | Sep 28 2015, 11:35 PM Post #15 |
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Judas, oh, hey, don't feel bad! You're far from alone - everyone is really busy these days and while folks would like to see the project progress I'm afraid it seems unlikely that anything is going to happen. Perhaps later in the fall, as you say, people will have more time for this project but there's been so little response to any of the discussion documents that I'm not sure how or even if to proceed. I'm afraid I've put people off with too detailed a possible season outline but had hoped it would generate discussion and interest that the earlier posts failed to do. |
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| flip | Jan 1 2016, 09:53 PM Post #16 |
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Hello, happy new year!! And I'm not sure if this project is "officially dead" or if we still want to try and get this ball rolling? I'm not even sure anyone is still checking this forum at all...? Anyway, I think one of the reasons why nothing much happened, is maybe that the whole project is a little "chaotic" and also kind of daunting (it's a big undertaking, after all), and also this forum is very big and people probably didn't really know what to do or what was expected of them. I don't mean any disrespect to the organizers, please don't get me wrong. It's just that I think a giant project like this probably needs even more and clearer organization. And also, if things go that slow, it kills the motivation. It's of course hard to do and complicated, because we all have a lot on our plates and so on. I just mean, if we want this to go anywhere, we probably just need to *start*, and not be in waiting mode forever. If we start doing something, others might get motivated again along the way and jump on board again. But waiting and "pausing" doesn't motivate, it rather drives even more people away/makes them lose interest. I don't have or claim to have a perfect solution for this dilemma. I do have a suggestion about how to tackle the "writing process" of this huge project. Maybe we could discuss this? If anyone still wants to put effort in this (I hope so, because I would really love to try this.) My personal opinion is, that it is too much to handle for one person (author) alone to "make" one whole episode. It might be too daunting, so potential authors drop out. Also, maybe nobody wants to be the "first" and make a start because everyone is scared they're not "good enough". (Of course this is no competition and everyone involved will be doing great jobs, I'm sure, and the most important thing is to have fun and not to write a perfect novel, but many writers are shy and self-conscious about their own writing! It's not so easy to write the first episode of season 2 and put it out there for beta-reading and "judgement", if you know what I mean.) Another point that came to my mind: I guess most authors have their preferences what/who they want to focus on. For example: I, personally, would love to busy myself with the Richard Paul plotline (his personal background, his relationship with Valerie,...) but I don't want to write any John/Dorian scenes, and I'm also terrible with world building or making up futuristic criminal cases. Somebody else might be totally motivated to write scientific scenes with Rudy involved, and yet another person wants to write all the John/Dorian scenes, but they might not be interested in all in writing anything that involves Richard. So I was asking myself, why can't be make a collaboration that is much more broken down into smaller segments, and not "Person A and B write episode 1, Person C and D write episode 2, etc" We could make a list of who is generally interested in what. Like, who writes (or at least outlines) which aspect of the epsiodes? If we're lucky, we have someone for each of the characters, then two or three people for the whole InSyndicate & The Wall story, then a small group of people who make up a few "crime/topic of the week" scenarios with cool futuristic aspects or key subjects like robot rights, chromes, anything that would be interesting to explore in the world of 2048 (politics, ethics, social topics,...) Then we could try to come up with a very basic and rough "storyboard" for the first episode. Settle on the "main theme" of the episode, then think of a series of scenes that would make a good arch but would also bring some variation so it stays interesting for everyone. Once we agree on this rough storyboard, we could "assign" the single scenes to different authors. We should also stress the point that people are welcome to just "outline" scenes (in more detail) and then give their draft to somebody who will then write an actual fluent scene (revision) from the outlined draft. This could be the case for people who don't speak English as their first language (like me). We might have good ideas but it's hard for us to actually write it down so fluently in English. It might also take some pressure from authors who are overwhelmed with the idea of writing a whole scene all by themselves - like this, they could get ideas and a rough draft by another person, then make a more elaborated scene out of it and add stuff etc. Then we could get back together here on some specific date and line up the scenes that we have so far. It surely would need more work afterwards, to make the cuts between scenes smooth. Maybe it would also make sense to start with the first half of the episode and only when it's mostly finish create the second half (because the second half is based on the first half and we need to have the first half all set before continuing with the second, especially if somebody who writes a scene for the second half wants to refer to anything *somebody else* wrote for the first half.) But I'd say we just have to try and experiment and then see how it goes, right? I also think we won't be many people actively contributing to the actual writing, so it shouldn't be too much chaos, even if we have several authors for each episode. I personally just think that it makes more sense to have the same people write the (for example) Sandra Maldonado storyline throughout the whole season, instead of making the "author of a certain episode" write everything concerning that episode, also the Sandra stuff, even if they don't feel very passionate about Sandra as a character. I hope you know what I mean. Um, please excuse any mistakes I made, and also if this was all a bit confusing. I'm not in my best state right now. But I really wanted to post something here, because I'd be so sad if we never tried to actually make this project work. I would also volunteer to take over some of the organisational work, if there is need. (I'm just not the best person for doing all the final writing and revisions, because English is not my native language) |
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| MarilynH | Jan 2 2016, 06:08 AM Post #17 |
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I like your ideas for how we could move forward and totally agree that the not moving, the waiting, is not energizing and doesn't draw people in. Have to sent notes to others who were involved earlier to see if they are still interested? I don't know how well this format works for story conferencing by a writing team ... is there a chat room facility here? |
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| sosioban | Jan 3 2016, 04:01 PM Post #18 |
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I find the forums pretty intimidating. There seems to be so much text to go through. I agree with a lot of what's been written on this thread. Dividing the workload by authors preferred subjects sounds like it would be more fun for the writers than giving authors full episodes to write. Either way, we should find a way to actually start the project already or it might never happen. Do we have somewhere a conclusive / current list of people interested in contributing, or should we start working on one? |
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| flip | Jan 3 2016, 05:53 PM Post #19 |
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I think we made a list at the beginning of this whole project, but it's probably outdated. Also, if I remember correctly, participants were just divided into authors and artists and betareaders/fact-checkers, but the authors weren't separated into "interest groups" yet, as far as I know. Hmm I just hope we can get enough people to jump in again. I'd say we'd need at least the following key aspects covered, by one or two participants per aspect. (One person could of course handle more than just one aspect, if they want to. Also, some of the key aspects might overlap sooner or later.) - The mystery about The Wall and Dr. Nigel Vaughn - InSyndicate storyline (plus Anna) - Maybe two or three "case of the week" scenarios that could be side-stories to the main plotline; Maybe also bring back a guest character from season 1 and focus on that - Dorian's journey - John's journey - Sandra's journey - Valerie's journey - Rudy's journey - Richards journey For "relationship scenes" with two or more characters, the specific authors could do a conference and either write it together (by taking turns or doing draft ping-pong or whatever) or just give their input and decide on one person to actually write the scene afterwards. Obviously, the participants who want to cover John and Dorian respectively, are going to collaborate pretty closely, but we also wanted to focus more on the group dynamics and other duo dynamics and not only John/Dorian like it was in season 1. So it should mix nicely, and not all of the work should be on the "Jorian" author's shoulders. I would keep those author's/outliner's key topics simple as this. I think this is already enough to cover and we shouldn't make it much more complicated. Before we actually start, we should just decide on a direction for each of the characters, or like a main theme (e.g. exploring Valerie's issues with her dad, delving deeper into her inner conflicts about being a chrome etc) and how to tie them in with the overall main plot. I mean besides working at the precinct, obviously. For example, should one of the main cast be revealed to be a spy/mole in the end? And if yes, who? Stuff like this. We can feed the readers little portions of the characters' private lives in each episode (small scenes that don't actually have anything to do with the criminal case and mystery), and then also connect them to the main mystery in different ways. I also need to reread the suggestion for the draft season plan, I think there were a lot of good ideas and points already in there. Also I think there were several good ideas of what could be the deal with The Wall, so we need to settle for one of them and then go for it. Edited by flip, Jan 3 2016, 06:09 PM.
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| captainsandraclassof2029 | Jan 4 2016, 05:57 AM Post #20 |
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Agree on reading the season draft plan again and I love the idea of giving each person a character and/or idea to carry through the season rather than just episode by episode. I do admit that it felt intimidating to me to take on a whole episode because what if I wrote a plot point someone else didn't like? And then they would have to write about something they don't like and it wouldn't be any fun for them and of course this project should be fun. Personally I would love to work on Sandra's journey, I'd love to dig into Valerie's background too, and I have been indulging in my love of crime stories on Youtube so I'd be willing to give the "case of the week" scenarios a shot. I can't promise they'll be wonderful, but I can try. |
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