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| Ster_of_Steel | Mar 17 2008, 10:15 PM Post #1 |
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So I have been messing with Magic Set Editor 2 the last couple of days, and I started thinking, "Hmmm... I could just proxie my decks if I were missing cards." Then I started thinking, "Hmmm... I guess I wouldn't have to plunge $500+ into Marvel Universe or the forthcoming DC set because I could just make whatever I need." Then I gots to thinking, "Hmmm... I could just sell all of my cards and proxy all of the cards I would want to build decks from." So I was wondering what you guys thought. If I walked into Emerald City one Thursday, let's say for a regular playnight, and I had those $20 rares you wanted proxied so that I could build a deck, would you be pissed? What if I ran two or three decks full of good 'ole MSE cards? How would you feel if I showed up at Going Green, Team Titans, or Conquest of the Galaxy with cards I printed out? Keep in mind that I would not compete in money tournaments with proxies because I could just make the first place rare and run it. (I would if we were short a player, to balance things out, but I wouldn't accept a "card" prize). I would really like some discussion here on the concept of proxies. Should people proxy cards they don't own? How do you feel about some saying, "To hell with UDE! I'm not trying to collect a 330 card set, let alone a playset of 330 cards!" DISCUSS! DISCUSS! |
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| Megalodon | Mar 17 2008, 11:59 PM Post #2 |
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I used to be against them, but with the way legends is to get I am starting to think its the only way most of us will ever get to build some of the decks we want.I am cool with a few proxies but I still want to support the game.I would say no more than 4 to 8 cards in any given deck should be proxies.thats 2 playsets of hard to find or get cards.I am cool with that but when someone shows up with 40 out of 50 proxies then I think its getting a bit absurd. |
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| So i herd u liek Mudkipz | Mar 18 2008, 07:45 AM Post #3 |
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i have no problem with proxies if you have at least one of the real thing. since that's not one of the options, i'm not voting. |
MOAR MUDKIPZ!
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| Megalodon | Mar 18 2008, 09:47 AM Post #4 |
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Well I would think that was a fair way to do it , the legend sets have made me think different.I have been trying to find a 6 drop Fantastic four human torch from the legend set.I have asked around EC and knowbody has one.Went to the online stores and ebay and have not seen one on sale there or in stock for over 2 months now.If your unable to get the card , even through buying and the stores are sold out and not getting restock then it is sometimes impossible to even find 1 copy.Same thing with 3 drop jsa batman.Its the only batman card I dont own, and havent seen one of them for sale either.I would love to own just 1 copy of either of those cards but alas since the set is out of print and the only way a stor will get any is if somebody quits the game and sells his stuff , the chances are slim that they will restock anytime soon. |
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| Quigonjon | Mar 18 2008, 01:10 PM Post #5 |
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I don't have an objection to a couple of proxies in a deck, especially in a situation like Pete said about being unable to get the real cards anywhere. Or if you already have "real" versions of the cards and want to use them in multiple decks without having to switch them out every time. But to wholesale reproduce your own card versions, including selling off the original cards, that would be violating copyrights- it is UDE's intellectual property. Especially if you were doing it instead of buying cards- that's taking money out of their pocket for cards they put the time and effort into creating. This would be different from making our own VS teams and all the special cards that were created for the storyline a while back, or Marc's Arkham Raid deck. Those cards are self-made and can be used whenever and however, against anyone willing to play with you. But mass-creating existing VS cards instead of buying/trading for them is stealing. |
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| Megalodon | Mar 18 2008, 02:10 PM Post #6 |
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yeah I kinda feel the same way.For instance I own 1 mobilize( crappy dc one too ) I have no problem proxing copies of the mobilize marc made for me in any decks I am trying to test with that card.I also have 1 assorted Allias.I would proxie 3 more of those too if I decide to biuild my spider clone deck again so I can see how well or not that works .I dont feel those instances are too much to ask since the legend stuff is hard to get.But proxing say 4 copies of bat signal and 4 copies of a gcpd officer that are .25 cards and available at almost any online store and probably if looked hard enough tradable from peeps at the store would be going a bit too far.Especially if it was just for bieng too lazy to take them out of a deck you already have them in. |
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| I Am Iron Man | Mar 18 2008, 03:50 PM Post #7 |
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I say, if its a hard to come by card, then a proxy is good. But you are playing vs to support the game, so I don't see the reason in Proxing the whole deck. If you have one of the card and need a play set or so, I'm for it. Or, Its a card like Pete is talking about, to where you ether can't find it, or its 18.99 and up for just one.. Then i see a use in the proxing. But, to see a use of proxing a whole deck... Only if it was say your favorite deck, that WE KNOW you have the cards for... I know you Sterling, Superman deck could be a whole lot funner to play with the thought of you... But Marc, I don't want that Gotham deck touched! lol... |
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| Ster_of_Steel | Mar 18 2008, 04:52 PM Post #8 |
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I just want to know who wanted first crack at my cards. |
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| Megalodon | Mar 18 2008, 04:55 PM Post #9 |
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we dont want your cards, we want you to play with them. |
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| Ster_of_Steel | Mar 18 2008, 05:03 PM Post #10 |
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LOL. I put that option on the poll because I was curious who would be okay with this idea so that he could get my rares. |
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| americn_badass | Mar 18 2008, 05:41 PM Post #11 |
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I think that for a tournament there should be no proxies allowed at all. For HL, I don't care if you have a fully proxied deck, but make it interesting. I enjoy seeing new art on familiar cards. Some people don't have the money for cards and it's a way to keep people playing who would say: If only I had this card, my new deck would be great. I would also like to see more fan-made decks with new concepts that UDE hasn't used yet. |
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| Starman | Mar 19 2008, 12:19 AM Post #12 |
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So I jumped on the it's ok to proxy a card or two but not the whole deck bandwagon. I don't mind someone using proxies of power rares or hard to get rares, especially the Legends rares. I do however think dropping your whole collection in favor of making print outs from MSE doesn't seem very good or fair. Unfair to the company and creative people coming up with the card themselves and taking away their spoon to feed themselves, but also proxies can just get really out of hand if everyone jumps on this idea. Soon we could no longer bring anyone new into this game because we would be seen as jerks or worse in that persons eyes as we play with our counterfeit cards. Now for things like Hobby League or Storyline or even creating our own sets or raid decks. Sure no problem. We are putting the effort into it. We are not creating something you can get elsewhere and would hurt economy. So proxy your Mobilizes or Enemies or whatever Legend Du Jour Card you need to make your deck spiffy. But like Megalodon pointed out just don't do proxies for cheap or easily attainable cards, unless of course you really like a character and want to change the art or something. But then we get into possibly making your whole deck proxies for art sake. Catch 22 |
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