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| Ster_of_Steel | Apr 4 2008, 07:07 PM Post #1 |
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[*This is not a thread about kicking Erich out of Emerald City]
Once upon a time, Somebody took a look at one or more cards above and said, "How can I win on turn 2 with this card?" That person built a deck, worked hard playtesting it. Changed some things here and there, and things came together. Then they took it to a big tournament. Probally won some money, and the deck was netted. Other people who wanted to win at all cost (or no cost, cause net deckers are losers) copied the deck. And those people took the same deck to the next tourney to win money or prizes. And the game started to suck. So UDE started banning cards. Reguardless of if the card in question was one being broken, or was a bystandard that was used in the combo, UDE took away some good cards from competitive play. So whay am I restating the obvious? Thursday night, a new player to our happy hobby league walked into a tournament with Overload. We here at Emerald City hobby league have an unspoken understanding that we can use banned cards as long as we don't use them in the way that got them banned. He used Overload as a combo with Nasty Surprise. One of the few ways it was banned for. So I felt it was time to look at the banned card list and make an official decision on what our stance on banned cards are. I run The Fiddler in my Secret Six deck. Marc runs Justice League of Arkham in his Insanity deck. My wife loves Gone But Not Forgotten. I broke up the only Marvel deck I was willing to play when Antartic Reasearch Base was banned. These cards in these situations are used for their intention. What do we do? |
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| I Am Iron Man | Apr 4 2008, 10:34 PM Post #2 |
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Homicidal Pyschopathic Impulses
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Here is the thing I look at for the banned cards at EC. It's not a place where we get points for winning tournaments, so why the hell not?! Yes, the cards got banned because of the ungodly unfairness of people with money winning more money. But us at EC don't do that. Eric plays with the mantality to win all the time, but thats for the fact of him just PCing everything. I, don't mind it. Just don't get me and him together on a off night. lol In all, I believe we can use them there. yeah, nasty surprising someone else card blows to overload it, but it makes the game fun. And, as fun, I mean you don't know what will be next. I don't know about most of the people at EC, but I build most of my decks off of me looking at the cards and seeing what I can come up with. I don't go to VS realms or any other place to see the best deck for my build... It's mine, and I want to keep it as that.. Even with a ban card or two. |
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| Quigonjon | Apr 5 2008, 01:04 AM Post #3 |
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The only cards that I think should really be banned at EC are Overload, Dr. Light (the infamous one), and probably Nenora. Antarctic Research Base really should not be combined with New Baxter Building, as that gets a little unfair. Overload was the first card banned because it was too powerful of an effect for no real cost and there were enough cards like Savage Beatdown and Nasty Surprise that could be used to Overload an opponent's character without them having pumped up their own attack into Overload range. Also, since it was banned so long ago, there are a lot of characters now that are created with the idea of Overload not being present in the environment, like the new Fatality or Superman MM, etc. I think that Overload is a card that is good to have gone from the environment. Dr. Light was finally banned because he is at the center of so many of the evil combos. Plus he was really pretty much broken to begin with. Nenora was banned because she did too much for a one-cost character- actually she can be recruited by simply discarding a card. She gives all your characters in play the Kree affiliation, so she can team up a totally disjointed group of characters. That's my two cents. |
| "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him..." Acts 17:24-27 | |
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| So i herd u liek Mudkipz | Apr 5 2008, 01:22 AM Post #4 |
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well put, and my thoughts exactly. those are the only cards i think should be banned from ec. if an outright ban is a bit excessive, then at least make sure people are playing the cards in a 'responsible' and fair manner. during team titans, roger overloaded one of my characters. i thought, "that was cheap," but i didn't get upset because i was the one who pumped my character. if he had used a combo that seemed totally unfair, sure, i would have been upset, but i feel he used it in a fair manner. |
MOAR MUDKIPZ!
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| I Am Iron Man | Apr 5 2008, 09:42 AM Post #5 |
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I'm with you john. I see those cards being banned at EC, but the others I could care less for. I see you can have a auto team up with a character, so what?! or the ability to draw cards if you had a location deck... I don't know of a lot of people at EC that do heavy locations... Teen Outsides has 3 different ones, but i'd never use her.. |
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| Quigonjon | Apr 5 2008, 09:58 AM Post #6 |
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Just to clarify, the only Dr. Light that is banned is the Master of Holograms. All the others are still good to go. And just to reiterate my most important previous point, there are SO MANY characters now that would be able to be Overloaded without any sort of attack pumps at all, because UDE has been designing with the knowledge that Overload isn't in the environment. |
| "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him..." Acts 17:24-27 | |
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| Arkham | Apr 5 2008, 10:44 AM Post #7 |
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My two cents: For yournaments...the banned card list should always be considered...period. However, for fun decks, flavor decks, or anything storylined in nature....banned cards have always been available and should countinue to be available. Especially in the storyline games we all love so much. Storyline rules cut the card pool down so drastically that crazy loops and underpriced effects are pretty muched nerfed. For instance, I have an X-Men deck that I play against Galactus a lot. But as anyone who plays the X-Men knows...they don't have a viable, curve based search card. Mobilize and Call in a Favor tend to take carre of that problem a lot...yet in a storyline game, both are unusable. Overload shouldn't have a blanket banned at EC. It very rarely can be used by the X-Men anyways unless used on low drop attacking, defending characters. |
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| Starman | Apr 5 2008, 11:56 AM Post #8 |
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I think that when you build a deck. If you go in with the mindset that you are going to abuse one of the banned cards, then you should not build that deck for EC hobby league games. Also just throwing in Overload in hopes you can use it to your advantage isn't bad at all. It is undercosted for what it does with no major side effects to hurt you for playing it. Though come to think of it this would be the only card I would say to be banned. And of course on a side note if you use Antarctic and Baxter then you are falling under my first thoughts. |
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. - Oscar Wilde
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| I Am Iron Man | Apr 5 2008, 12:29 PM Post #9 |
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I'm with you on that. I was thinking a few mins ago about overload in a Villian United build. over loading your character because of the effect... would that be in the same mind set Dennis?? |
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| Ster_of_Steel | Apr 5 2008, 04:26 PM Post #10 |
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Oh, Dr. Light. You bad bad man... I like Dr. Light. Dr. Light made "DEEE" all it could ever be. He has good combo-ness, even in just Emerald Enemies. I'd hate to see my access to his card taken away because other people somewhere else made him insane. But then I think of Miles. Ask him to show you the Arkham Light Show. After that, you'll want to enforce the ban on Dr. Light. |
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| I Am Iron Man | Apr 5 2008, 04:29 PM Post #11 |
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Half of this ban list I think about him.. lol.. but, Dr. Light yes... Miles is are one and only gimmic person. Even In Yu-Gi-Oh... All was had around 10 cards that he kept in his deck. No Matter the spot... |
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| Quigonjon | Apr 5 2008, 08:44 PM Post #12 |
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I really don't have a problem with Overload or any of the banned cards in a storyline-type deck because like Marc said, you already have a limited card pool. I just really think that other than that instance, Overload is a card that really is unfair considering how so many character cards are designed right now that they basically Overload themselves. |
| "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him..." Acts 17:24-27 | |
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| thors big toe | Apr 6 2008, 10:10 AM Post #13 |
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I don't think we should pick and choose which banned cards to be allowed to be played at EC. I feel it should be all or nothing. I feel that the cards were banned for a reason and should remain that way. I don't play any banned cards in any of my decks. |
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| Spider_D | Apr 6 2008, 02:17 PM Post #14 |
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Well if we do hve a ban list then we all should have a vote on which one should be banned. Also we need to have a list avalible so that new players at Emerald City will know of them and make it possible to vote later on to ether add or remove cards from this list. |
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| Quigonjon | Apr 6 2008, 04:54 PM Post #15 |
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Words of wisdom from Derrick. |
| "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him..." Acts 17:24-27 | |
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