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| Kantor72 | Jun 7 2017, 18:58 Post #1 |
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When 8th ed drops, post questions here .One thing i'm looking forward to is a clarification of how Damage is allocated / dealt with. Got that ( at least as i understand it ) and getting rid of Synapse is cleared up for me as well, only characters need to be sniped out or be the closest mini ( only if they have less than 10 wounds, 10+ is massive monster territory ), Synapse stuff like Warriors can be targeted normally . This just shows me how long i've been out of touch with 40k.
Edited by Kantor72, Jun 11 2017, 12:06.
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| eldarveteran | Jun 16 2017, 18:45 Post #2 |
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useful article on Bell of Lost Souls describing the sequence of rolling to hit and how that interacts with Modifiers. Key point is that you check for misses and use any re-roll abilities BEFORE adding/subtracting modifiers. That means for example that you are required to re-roll 'misses' that are 1 below your ballistic skill EVEN if you have a +1 to hit modifier. Also works in reverse, so you can't re-roll hits that equal your ballistic skill, then miss due a negative modifier such as Hvy Weapon move and fire. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/06/40k-re-rolls-modifiers-rules-breakdown.html |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 16 2017, 18:57 Post #3 |
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I was just reading that, it made my eyes bleed.... I was thinking that I would apply the -1 like so : Marine is 3+ to hit -1 takes him to 4+ to hit ( applied before rolling any dice ) am I being stupid, this seems like a better way of doing it ? I was worried something would turn up amongst all the positives and that article appears to have found it. It seems a bad way ( to me ) to sort out " To Hit " rolls as it stands. |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 20 2017, 15:29 Post #4 |
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Here's one : The Stormhawk Marine Flyer has a rule called " Interceptor ", this gives you +1 to hit when shooting at anything with the " Fly " rule ( other flyers, jump troops ). The Icarus Stormcannon and the Skyhammer Missile Launcher weapons also give you +1 to hit when shooting at anything with " Fly ", so that's +2 to hit with each weapon ? |
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| eldarveteran | Jun 20 2017, 17:01 Post #5 |
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Seems legit. The Developers commentary is over on the Community site. This is like a mini FAQ. The modifiers after re rolls is confirmed. Also if you can't shoot nearest unit due to it being within an inch of one of your units then you cannot shoot at a Character beyond them. |
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Ask not the EldarVeteran a question, for you will get three answers all (probably) true and horrifying to know Models purchased/gifted 2015, 2016 and 2017 = 169, 130, 232. Models painted = 139, 83, 189 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 120 extra models to pile Models purchased/gifted 2018 = 39. Models painted in 2018 = 53 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 14 models off pile | |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 20 2017, 17:59 Post #6 |
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The 1" thing is Pistols and / or fight ? So the " To Hit " thing is like we talked about on Saturday ? ie, it'll work if we push the BS up one ? |
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| eldarveteran | Jun 20 2017, 18:30 Post #7 |
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1" is in melee generally. No the hits thing is the way the rules state it - roll, apply re-rolls as necessary (e.g. Misses) then finally apply any Modifers. Also They draw out the distinction of when the rules say an unmodified roll does something. E.g. Triggers on a natural 6 or 1. I think that means Get Hot can be avoided if a +1 mod is in place. Not got those rules in front of me. |
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Ask not the EldarVeteran a question, for you will get three answers all (probably) true and horrifying to know Models purchased/gifted 2015, 2016 and 2017 = 169, 130, 232. Models painted = 139, 83, 189 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 120 extra models to pile Models purchased/gifted 2018 = 39. Models painted in 2018 = 53 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 14 models off pile | |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 20 2017, 19:23 Post #8 |
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Ok, i'm getting a nervous twitch about the to hit roll sequence .I take Kantor who has a " Re-roll ALL Misses for CF Units within 6" ". That means my Helblaster Plasma don't die unless they roll another 1 ? Unless i've got a +1 to hit from somewhere ( Psy power or such ) ? Which means they miss but don't die ? Apologies Adrian, i'm giving myself a headache... |
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| eldarveteran | Jun 20 2017, 19:59 Post #9 |
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Here is the main explanation: Q: If a rule or ability grants a re-roll on, for example, hit rolls of 1 (such as a Space Marine Captains Rites of Battle ability) does that effect trigger before or after applying modifiers to the hit rolls? A: Re-rolls always happen before modifiers, so the re-roll ability is triggered before applying modifiers. For example, lets imagine a Space Marine (Ballistic Skill 3+) moves and fires a heavy bolter (a Heavy 3 weapon) whilst within range of a Space Marine Captains Rites of Battle ability (allowing you to re-roll hit rolls of 1). The hit dice are rolled and result in a 1, 2 and 5. Re-rolls are applied before modifiers. In this example a single dice is re-rolled because of the Captains ability, this time resulting in a 3. Modifiers are applied after re-rolls. In this example there is a -1 modifier to the hit rolls for moving and firing a Heavy weapon. That means that the post-re-roll scores of 2, 3 and 5 are modified to 1, 2 and 4. Comparing the final results to the models Ballistic Skill, only one shot hits the target. Q: When making a hit roll with a supercharged plasma weapon, do you determine whether a 1 was rolled before or after applying re-rolls and modifiers? A: You apply all re-rolls and modifiers first. For example, if, after re-rolls and modifiers, the final result is then a 1 (or counts as a 1, as explained above), then the supercharged plasma weapon injures or kills the firer. Q: If a rule states that an ability triggers on, for example, hit rolls of 6+, does this refer to the result of the dice rolls before or after modifiers are applied? A: It refers to the final result, after re-rolls and modifiers (if any) have been applied. The only exception to this would be abilities that speci cally state, for example, unmodified hit rolls of 6, or hit rolls of 6 before modifiers are applied. |
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Ask not the EldarVeteran a question, for you will get three answers all (probably) true and horrifying to know Models purchased/gifted 2015, 2016 and 2017 = 169, 130, 232. Models painted = 139, 83, 189 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 120 extra models to pile Models purchased/gifted 2018 = 39. Models painted in 2018 = 53 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 14 models off pile | |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 20 2017, 20:10 Post #10 |
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Cheers for putting that up Adrian. I can see why it's re-roll then modify, it just doesn't feel right yet, still feels wrong that way round. Dibs on a game or two versus you Saturday please. |
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| eldarveteran | Jun 20 2017, 20:44 Post #11 |
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Yes looking forward to a game or two. Although i really want to try out the death Guard but just too hot to really paint much. nb Supercharging plasma whilst under a -1 mod is not a good idea. Ahem, Conceal psychic power = -1 to hit rolls targeting Biker/Infantry units within 3" of caster. Edited by eldarveteran, Jun 20 2017, 20:47.
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Ask not the EldarVeteran a question, for you will get three answers all (probably) true and horrifying to know Models purchased/gifted 2015, 2016 and 2017 = 169, 130, 232. Models painted = 139, 83, 189 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 120 extra models to pile Models purchased/gifted 2018 = 39. Models painted in 2018 = 53 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 14 models off pile | |
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| Kantor72 | Jun 20 2017, 20:56 Post #12 |
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I forsee Warlocks following Shuriken Cannon Bikes or Foot Guardians or CC Aspect Warriors .
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| eldarveteran | Jul 4 2017, 20:51 Post #13 |
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Warhammer 40k FAQ and veteran players guide here: Warhammer Community |
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Ask not the EldarVeteran a question, for you will get three answers all (probably) true and horrifying to know Models purchased/gifted 2015, 2016 and 2017 = 169, 130, 232. Models painted = 139, 83, 189 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 120 extra models to pile Models purchased/gifted 2018 = 39. Models painted in 2018 = 53 . Net impact on grey plastic mountain = 14 models off pile | |
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| Kantor72 | Jul 4 2017, 21:18 Post #14 |
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Cheers Adrian. I will definitely be looking this up. |
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| Kantor72 | Sep 2 2017, 22:56 Post #15 |
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Question : The Crimson Fists Relic says " Crimson Fists model with a Power Fist only ", so i can give it to Pedro Kantor ? I can't find anything about named characters being exempt ? |
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